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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/20/more-on-monument-destruction-no-historical-assist-allowed/#comment-2502319</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2020 08:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A picture is worth a thousand words - but he had those as well.
https://babylonbee.com/news/i-told-you-so-whispers-ghostly-image-of-george-orwell-hovering-over-nation]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A picture is worth a thousand words &#8211; but he had those as well.<br />
<a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/i-told-you-so-whispers-ghostly-image-of-george-orwell-hovering-over-nation" rel="nofollow ugc">https://babylonbee.com/news/i-told-you-so-whispers-ghostly-image-of-george-orwell-hovering-over-nation</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/20/more-on-monument-destruction-no-historical-assist-allowed/#comment-2502289</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2020 02:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Surber&#039;s comments, and I bring this one forward just to tell a story:
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JakeLegJones31June 20, 2020 at 11:40 AM
Juneteenth is a Texas-thing, not a national thing. It took 2 years after Lincoln’s Emancipation Executive Action for the news to reach the slaves in Texas, via a ship docking in Galveston (want to say it was Dealy of late Dallas Morning News fame.)
I think prior to last few weeks, when PDJT chose June 19th for a post-China Virus campaign rally, no one outside of Texas new a damn thing about&lt;b&gt; a subject that has been taught in Texas schools, at least since the 1960s, when Republicans started winning elections over Dhimocrats in Texas.&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In the fifties and sixties, my mother would hand out Republican literature on the main street of our hometown, and sometimes I and my siblings would go with her.
She registered Republican every year that I know of, but a lot of times as I got older I noticed that she actually favored Democrat politicians, and even some Democrat policies (never Leftist, though; she knew the Cold War first hand).
So I asked her about that bout of political activism.  She replied that, in those days, the Democrats had a strangle-hold on Texas politics, and she thought it was wrong to only have one operational political party in the state, so she deliberately worked for the Republicans until they became viable.

She also flew Confederate flags, when she felt like it, and rooted for the Confederate Air Force, a group of private pilots having fun and doing charity shows.  They changed their name a few years back, which kind of ruined the joke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Surber&#8217;s comments, and I bring this one forward just to tell a story:</p>
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JakeLegJones31June 20, 2020 at 11:40 AM<br />
Juneteenth is a Texas-thing, not a national thing. It took 2 years after Lincoln’s Emancipation Executive Action for the news to reach the slaves in Texas, via a ship docking in Galveston (want to say it was Dealy of late Dallas Morning News fame.)<br />
I think prior to last few weeks, when PDJT chose June 19th for a post-China Virus campaign rally, no one outside of Texas new a damn thing about<b> a subject that has been taught in Texas schools, at least since the 1960s, when Republicans started winning elections over Dhimocrats in Texas.</b>
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<p>In the fifties and sixties, my mother would hand out Republican literature on the main street of our hometown, and sometimes I and my siblings would go with her.<br />
She registered Republican every year that I know of, but a lot of times as I got older I noticed that she actually favored Democrat politicians, and even some Democrat policies (never Leftist, though; she knew the Cold War first hand).<br />
So I asked her about that bout of political activism.  She replied that, in those days, the Democrats had a strangle-hold on Texas politics, and she thought it was wrong to only have one operational political party in the state, so she deliberately worked for the Republicans until they became viable.</p>
<p>She also flew Confederate flags, when she felt like it, and rooted for the Confederate Air Force, a group of private pilots having fun and doing charity shows.  They changed their name a few years back, which kind of ruined the joke.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/20/more-on-monument-destruction-no-historical-assist-allowed/#comment-2502288</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2020 02:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Surber has a good conclusion too:

&lt;blockquote&gt;By implying the Civil War was not about slavery, Bouie shows he is a fool for believing he can lie with impunity. He is not alone. The BLM movement has attacked statues of Lincoln and other abolitionists because they are white, which undermines the narrative of 100% racism among white Americans.

But do not allow racists like Bouie to drag you into their swinehole. His lies aside, we should celebrate Juneteenth as an official end of slavery, and celebrate the liberators as well as the liberated. It is V-E and V-J days combined and multiplied by Armistice Day.

Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!
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Some people here and on other blog threads claim they have never heard of Juneteenth.
I grew up in west Texas.
Jefferson Davis&#039;s birthday was still on the free calendars in the fifties.
I knew what Juneteenth was.
It should have been a national holiday a century ago, for the reasons Don Surber gave.
If not for John Wilkes Booth, and Lincoln&#039;s mistaken selection of his vice president, it might well have been.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surber has a good conclusion too:</p>
<blockquote><p>By implying the Civil War was not about slavery, Bouie shows he is a fool for believing he can lie with impunity. He is not alone. The BLM movement has attacked statues of Lincoln and other abolitionists because they are white, which undermines the narrative of 100% racism among white Americans.</p>
<p>But do not allow racists like Bouie to drag you into their swinehole. His lies aside, we should celebrate Juneteenth as an official end of slavery, and celebrate the liberators as well as the liberated. It is V-E and V-J days combined and multiplied by Armistice Day.</p>
<p>Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, we are free at last!
</p></blockquote>
<p>Some people here and on other blog threads claim they have never heard of Juneteenth.<br />
I grew up in west Texas.<br />
Jefferson Davis&#8217;s birthday was still on the free calendars in the fifties.<br />
I knew what Juneteenth was.<br />
It should have been a national holiday a century ago, for the reasons Don Surber gave.<br />
If not for John Wilkes Booth, and Lincoln&#8217;s mistaken selection of his vice president, it might well have been.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2020 00:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo on June 20, 2020 at 7:23 pm said:
&quot;Never think you can control groups that have their own agenda and could not care less about yours.&quot;

This is why I don&#039;t support (entirely) Tom&#039;s insistence that the Left is equivalent the Democrat Party -- I think the (organized) Left is using the Democrats, as Neo points out.
However, I do agree with him that the Democrats&#039;s need to be tied to the Left&#039;s depredations with vigor and dispatch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo on June 20, 2020 at 7:23 pm said:<br />
&#8220;Never think you can control groups that have their own agenda and could not care less about yours.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is why I don&#8217;t support (entirely) Tom&#8217;s insistence that the Left is equivalent the Democrat Party &#8212; I think the (organized) Left is using the Democrats, as Neo points out.<br />
However, I do agree with him that the Democrats&#8217;s need to be tied to the Left&#8217;s depredations with vigor and dispatch.</p>
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		By: Assistant Village Idiot		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assistant Village Idiot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 18:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think the refusal to acknowledge help from others is a sad but accurate point.  It is certainly not common among African-Americans in general, who have been excellent examples of showing gratitude throughout my life.  But activists are usually drawn from a different pool.  The attitude is common among those with personality disorders: borderline, antisocial, and especially narcissistic. Social media empowers those with such disorders greatly.

More humorously, it reminds me of Peter Pan crowing about how accomplished he is when Wendy sews his shadow back on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the refusal to acknowledge help from others is a sad but accurate point.  It is certainly not common among African-Americans in general, who have been excellent examples of showing gratitude throughout my life.  But activists are usually drawn from a different pool.  The attitude is common among those with personality disorders: borderline, antisocial, and especially narcissistic. Social media empowers those with such disorders greatly.</p>
<p>More humorously, it reminds me of Peter Pan crowing about how accomplished he is when Wendy sews his shadow back on.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 17:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ymarsakar:

You&#039;ve gotten pushback on a lot of things here, but the idea that we may yet have a civil war was not one of them. Although I suppose a person here and there may have disagreed, I think most people thought a civil war a distinct &lt;i&gt;possibility&lt;/i&gt;.

Just to take a single example, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/06/25/uncivil-war-plenty-of-people-must-think-the-red-guard-was-a-really-nifty-idea/&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a post of mine&lt;/a&gt; from almost exactly two years ago, that talks about it quite seriously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ymarsakar:</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve gotten pushback on a lot of things here, but the idea that we may yet have a civil war was not one of them. Although I suppose a person here and there may have disagreed, I think most people thought a civil war a distinct <i>possibility</i>.</p>
<p>Just to take a single example, <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2018/06/25/uncivil-war-plenty-of-people-must-think-the-red-guard-was-a-really-nifty-idea/">here&#8217;s a post of mine</a> from almost exactly two years ago, that talks about it quite seriously.</p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 17:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Beverly on June 22, 2020 at 12:10 am said:
Now the Red Guard has decided to nuke the statue of Theodore Roosevelt that has stood in front of the Museum of Natural History in New York for 80 years.

When are we going to fight back? And how?&lt;/b&gt;

By the time any of you here has woken up to the War, it will be over.

Stand down and enjoy the show. Survive to 2021 and see.

My faction has many surprises ready.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Beverly on June 22, 2020 at 12:10 am said:<br />
Now the Red Guard has decided to nuke the statue of Theodore Roosevelt that has stood in front of the Museum of Natural History in New York for 80 years.</p>
<p>When are we going to fight back? And how?</b></p>
<p>By the time any of you here has woken up to the War, it will be over.</p>
<p>Stand down and enjoy the show. Survive to 2021 and see.</p>
<p>My faction has many surprises ready.</p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 17:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I thought conservatives here and in general told me there would be no civil war and that I was without base?

I am still waiting on that &quot;no war&quot; scenario people kept pushing around.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought conservatives here and in general told me there would be no civil war and that I was without base?</p>
<p>I am still waiting on that &#8220;no war&#8221; scenario people kept pushing around.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 13:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Douglass eulogized Grant as “a man too broad for prejudice, too humane to despise the humblest, too great to be small at any point&lt;/i&gt;

There was a time when people... persons recognized the shortcomings and dangers of indulging diversity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Douglass eulogized Grant as “a man too broad for prejudice, too humane to despise the humblest, too great to be small at any point</i></p>
<p>There was a time when people&#8230; persons recognized the shortcomings and dangers of indulging diversity.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 12:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[After 16 trimesters of witch hunts and warlock trials, they must be desperate to share/shift responsibility if they are willing to foment diversity (e.g. racism).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 16 trimesters of witch hunts and warlock trials, they must be desperate to share/shift responsibility if they are willing to foment diversity (e.g. racism).</p>
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