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		By: Sharon W		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/19/another-look-at-robespierre/#comment-2502467</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am very thankful that our 3 adult children  (ages 31-39) and their spouses all share our values and political positions. The oldest (only female) is an artist by nature and was the main provider of her household of 3 (1 daughter, age 10) for the last 11 years. They are not church-goers but are good, moral people, and we pray together as needed. She stays abreast of issues and votes like we do despite the fact that none of her friends (and she does have wonderful friends) share her understanding. (Neo you can no doubt relate to that.) Our oldest son served 8 years with the Marines and finished his education after. He has 2 sons, almost 3 and 1 year old. He and his wife are the only practicing Catholics of the 3. Our youngest and his wife have a 1-1/2 year old daughter and attend an evangelical church (her father is the Pastor).  When I homeschooled them, I always shared every side of an issue as I understood it, telling them from a young age that the most important thing they will ever learn is to &quot;think&quot; for themselves otherwise there will be those quite willing to do their thinking for them.  The truth is at this present time, there is pain in seeing it as we do. They feel grave concern for this country. We do not personally know another couple that can state that all of their adult children haven&#039;t embraced the x, y or z being offered as the wisdom of our present age.  At the end of the day, I can say I respect and admire each and every one of them, value their opinion and enjoy their company.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very thankful that our 3 adult children  (ages 31-39) and their spouses all share our values and political positions. The oldest (only female) is an artist by nature and was the main provider of her household of 3 (1 daughter, age 10) for the last 11 years. They are not church-goers but are good, moral people, and we pray together as needed. She stays abreast of issues and votes like we do despite the fact that none of her friends (and she does have wonderful friends) share her understanding. (Neo you can no doubt relate to that.) Our oldest son served 8 years with the Marines and finished his education after. He has 2 sons, almost 3 and 1 year old. He and his wife are the only practicing Catholics of the 3. Our youngest and his wife have a 1-1/2 year old daughter and attend an evangelical church (her father is the Pastor).  When I homeschooled them, I always shared every side of an issue as I understood it, telling them from a young age that the most important thing they will ever learn is to &#8220;think&#8221; for themselves otherwise there will be those quite willing to do their thinking for them.  The truth is at this present time, there is pain in seeing it as we do. They feel grave concern for this country. We do not personally know another couple that can state that all of their adult children haven&#8217;t embraced the x, y or z being offered as the wisdom of our present age.  At the end of the day, I can say I respect and admire each and every one of them, value their opinion and enjoy their company.</p>
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		By: NeoConScum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Best Biography of Robespierre: J.M.Thompson

The Twelve Who Ruled by R.R.Palmer]]></description>
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<p>The Twelve Who Ruled by R.R.Palmer</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 22:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Besides this very blog and the comments,... I honestly have no one to talk to about the situation who understands.&quot; - Gwynmir

A lot of us are in that situation.
We have 3 sons &#038; wives we can talk to pretty bluntly (because they generally agree with us), 1 who is still open-minded and rightish but his wife is a mine-field of ideological opinions that I can never walk through safely, and 1 who was brainwashed from working at Google too long.

&quot;We all know what kindness means, and I think we can all agree that libraries are sacred, and our revolution will decree that we will fight tooth and nail for these things, politely.&quot; - Lamont

If only that was the way it worked!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Besides this very blog and the comments,&#8230; I honestly have no one to talk to about the situation who understands.&#8221; &#8211; Gwynmir</p>
<p>A lot of us are in that situation.<br />
We have 3 sons &amp; wives we can talk to pretty bluntly (because they generally agree with us), 1 who is still open-minded and rightish but his wife is a mine-field of ideological opinions that I can never walk through safely, and 1 who was brainwashed from working at Google too long.</p>
<p>&#8220;We all know what kindness means, and I think we can all agree that libraries are sacred, and our revolution will decree that we will fight tooth and nail for these things, politely.&#8221; &#8211; Lamont</p>
<p>If only that was the way it worked!</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/19/another-look-at-robespierre/#comment-2502204</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 19:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW

You continue to blow, stick to philosophy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW</p>
<p>You continue to blow, stick to philosophy.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/19/another-look-at-robespierre/#comment-2502196</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 18:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Back in 2006 Anne Lamott, progressive author of the charming &quot;Operating Instructions&quot; memoir on her son&#039;s birth, offered to lead a counter-revolution against the dread Bushitler by celebrating Bastille Day in America or, more precisely, in Mill Valley, California. 

Her daffy, Marin-County-ish notion was that the counter-revolution would be based on &lt;i&gt;kindness&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;libraries.&lt;/i&gt; Apparently, she had never read a word about the French Revolution nor Bastille Day itself.
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&lt;i&gt;In this revolution, there will not be any positions except kindness, and libraries. We will not even have a battle cry, as that can lead to chanting, and haranguing: Hey, hey, ho, ho, all that chanting&#039;s got to go! We would simply look one another in the eyes, shake our heads, and say, &quot;This just can&#039;t be right.&quot; We will not try to figure out what it all means: Iraq, Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib, Terri Schiavo, abortion rights, the Downing Street Memo, domestic spying, immigration, the Kyoto Accords, the Geneva Connections, Tom DeLay -- none of it. We all know what kindness means, and I think we can all agree that libraries are sacred, and our revolution will decree that we will fight tooth and nail for these things, politely.

&quot;Let&#039;s have a revolution! Does July 14 work for you?&quot;
https://www.salon.com/2006/03/29/revolution_2/&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in 2006 Anne Lamott, progressive author of the charming &#8220;Operating Instructions&#8221; memoir on her son&#8217;s birth, offered to lead a counter-revolution against the dread Bushitler by celebrating Bastille Day in America or, more precisely, in Mill Valley, California. </p>
<p>Her daffy, Marin-County-ish notion was that the counter-revolution would be based on <i>kindness</i> and <i>libraries.</i> Apparently, she had never read a word about the French Revolution nor Bastille Day itself.<br />
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<p><i>In this revolution, there will not be any positions except kindness, and libraries. We will not even have a battle cry, as that can lead to chanting, and haranguing: Hey, hey, ho, ho, all that chanting&#8217;s got to go! We would simply look one another in the eyes, shake our heads, and say, &#8220;This just can&#8217;t be right.&#8221; We will not try to figure out what it all means: Iraq, Guantánamo, Abu Ghraib, Terri Schiavo, abortion rights, the Downing Street Memo, domestic spying, immigration, the Kyoto Accords, the Geneva Connections, Tom DeLay &#8212; none of it. We all know what kindness means, and I think we can all agree that libraries are sacred, and our revolution will decree that we will fight tooth and nail for these things, politely.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s have a revolution! Does July 14 work for you?&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.salon.com/2006/03/29/revolution_2/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.salon.com/2006/03/29/revolution_2/</a></i></p>
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		By: BrooklynBoy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 17:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never tire reading about the overthrow and execution of Maximilien Robespierre, especially the way he was taunted by the mob on the way to the Guilllotine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never tire reading about the overthrow and execution of Maximilien Robespierre, especially the way he was taunted by the mob on the way to the Guilllotine.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 14:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;DNW
There’s no fool like a windy fool. Whatever. Bring on the next tome.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We had a disturbed police dog roaming the neighborhood for a time. It would show up in your yard or wherever folks were gathering, and make noises in order to get your attention. But if you took pity on it, and extended yourself to treat it humanely, it would yip and snap. 

Then it would go away and do it again to someone else.

Poor mutt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;DNW<br />
There’s no fool like a windy fool. Whatever. Bring on the next tome.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>We had a disturbed police dog roaming the neighborhood for a time. It would show up in your yard or wherever folks were gathering, and make noises in order to get your attention. But if you took pity on it, and extended yourself to treat it humanely, it would yip and snap. </p>
<p>Then it would go away and do it again to someone else.</p>
<p>Poor mutt.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/19/another-look-at-robespierre/#comment-2502147</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2020 21:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[gwynmuir:

That stuff seems like Don Quixote on steroids - so far beyond anything that ever would be or could be that it is hard to imagine that people actually believe this could ever be reality.  Also, it&#039;s based on some very iffy anthropology that probably doesn&#039;t even reflect what is true about present-day hunter/gatherer tribes.

I remember being told once in anthropology class that we can&#039;t look at recent hunter/gatherer societies and imagine we know anything about hunter/gatherer societies of the past, much less of the distant past when that was the way most humans were organized.  One thing that we do know is that large populations can&#039;t be sustained that way, and I wonder what these primitive anarchists think will happen in order to get the population down that low.  Nuclear war? Or do the just envision living in small hopefully-Utopian (probably soon to be dystopian) communities amidst the rest of the people of the world who live quite differently?  

At any rate, recent hunter/gatherer societies are very rare, and they probably represent a very special and atypical subset of said societies of the past.  That subset is probably composed of unusually successful examples of the genre - after all, they have survived and the others haven&#039;t - and/or unusually remote ones in lands no one else has wanted till recently (another reason they&#039;ve survived).  

Rousseau.  Did a lot of damage in the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gwynmuir:</p>
<p>That stuff seems like Don Quixote on steroids &#8211; so far beyond anything that ever would be or could be that it is hard to imagine that people actually believe this could ever be reality.  Also, it&#8217;s based on some very iffy anthropology that probably doesn&#8217;t even reflect what is true about present-day hunter/gatherer tribes.</p>
<p>I remember being told once in anthropology class that we can&#8217;t look at recent hunter/gatherer societies and imagine we know anything about hunter/gatherer societies of the past, much less of the distant past when that was the way most humans were organized.  One thing that we do know is that large populations can&#8217;t be sustained that way, and I wonder what these primitive anarchists think will happen in order to get the population down that low.  Nuclear war? Or do the just envision living in small hopefully-Utopian (probably soon to be dystopian) communities amidst the rest of the people of the world who live quite differently?  </p>
<p>At any rate, recent hunter/gatherer societies are very rare, and they probably represent a very special and atypical subset of said societies of the past.  That subset is probably composed of unusually successful examples of the genre &#8211; after all, they have survived and the others haven&#8217;t &#8211; and/or unusually remote ones in lands no one else has wanted till recently (another reason they&#8217;ve survived).  </p>
<p>Rousseau.  Did a lot of damage in the world.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2020 21:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW

There&#039;s no fool like a windy fool.  Whatever.  Bring on the next tome.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no fool like a windy fool.  Whatever.  Bring on the next tome.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2020 20:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[gwynmuir: If your son has a Ph.D. and teaches college English, he has been thoroughly saturated with Critical Theory. He lives and breathes Crit and inculcates others with Crit. If he wants to keep his job (and likely his spouse too), he&#039;d better keep it that way.
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&lt;i&gt;It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.

--Upton Sinclair&lt;/i&gt;
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That said, I wouldn&#039;t give up. He has been exposed to conservative ideas and he sounds like a decent, curious fellow. Thirty-five years-old is plenty young and he&#039;s still growing.

When I was 35 I was entranced with Noam Chomsky and an active member of an affinity group, which tabled and marched regularly. I never got arrested but some of my friends did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gwynmuir: If your son has a Ph.D. and teaches college English, he has been thoroughly saturated with Critical Theory. He lives and breathes Crit and inculcates others with Crit. If he wants to keep his job (and likely his spouse too), he&#8217;d better keep it that way.<br />
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<p><i>It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.</p>
<p>&#8211;Upton Sinclair</i><br />
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<p>That said, I wouldn&#8217;t give up. He has been exposed to conservative ideas and he sounds like a decent, curious fellow. Thirty-five years-old is plenty young and he&#8217;s still growing.</p>
<p>When I was 35 I was entranced with Noam Chomsky and an active member of an affinity group, which tabled and marched regularly. I never got arrested but some of my friends did.</p>
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