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	Comments on: Grant Napear&#8217;s firing and Václav Havel&#8217;s greengrocer parable	</title>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/04/grant-napears-firing-and-vaclav-havels-greengrocer-parable/#comment-2499893</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2020 19:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;but only 143 have retweeted it&quot; - Sarah

You are assuming that Twitter is not putting their thumb on the scale.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but only 143 have retweeted it&#8221; &#8211; Sarah</p>
<p>You are assuming that Twitter is not putting their thumb on the scale.</p>
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		By: Sarah Rolph		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/04/grant-napears-firing-and-vaclav-havels-greengrocer-parable/#comment-2499857</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Rolph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some of the best people I follow on twitter are farmers. Farmers live a lot closer to reality than most of us in today&#039;s society. They are used to not being in control of crucial things like the weather, so they have a natural humility along with a hardy self-sufficiency. They tend to have an extremely strong work ethic.

One of the farmers I follow on twitter happens to be black. Terren Moore. He tweeted something yesterday that I really liked (I&#039;ll provide the link and the text):

You do not have to tell me my life matters. You don’t have to feel pity on me for being a black man in America. I am a child of God, I know I am loved. I love y’all and I love my country! #Gratitude #EndlessOpportunities

https://twitter.com/MooreTerren/status/1268366443206381569?s=20

I&#039;m sharing this for two reasons. One, just to cheer people up. Here&#039;s someone who agrees with us about judging people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin, and exemplifies what that means. 

The other reason, though, underlines neo&#039;s point. People seem to be afraid to share this tweet!  2800 people have hit &quot;like&quot; on the tweet but only 143 have retweeted it. Sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the best people I follow on twitter are farmers. Farmers live a lot closer to reality than most of us in today&#8217;s society. They are used to not being in control of crucial things like the weather, so they have a natural humility along with a hardy self-sufficiency. They tend to have an extremely strong work ethic.</p>
<p>One of the farmers I follow on twitter happens to be black. Terren Moore. He tweeted something yesterday that I really liked (I&#8217;ll provide the link and the text):</p>
<p>You do not have to tell me my life matters. You don’t have to feel pity on me for being a black man in America. I am a child of God, I know I am loved. I love y’all and I love my country! #Gratitude #EndlessOpportunities</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/MooreTerren/status/1268366443206381569?s=20" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/MooreTerren/status/1268366443206381569?s=20</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sharing this for two reasons. One, just to cheer people up. Here&#8217;s someone who agrees with us about judging people by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin, and exemplifies what that means. </p>
<p>The other reason, though, underlines neo&#8217;s point. People seem to be afraid to share this tweet!  2800 people have hit &#8220;like&#8221; on the tweet but only 143 have retweeted it. Sad.</p>
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		By: buddhaha		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/04/grant-napears-firing-and-vaclav-havels-greengrocer-parable/#comment-2499681</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 16:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People that see a conflict betwwen &quot;Black Lives Matter&quot; and &quot;All Lives Matter&quot; are looking for a conflict.

Remember the third grade bully? (Could be fourth or fifth... everyone runs into at least one in elementary) When he picked a victim, it didn&#039;t matter what was said, he&#039;d find some way to take offense.

Same situation. 

Be prepared. Right now, we&#039;re at the shoving stage. The sucker punch is coming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People that see a conflict betwwen &#8220;Black Lives Matter&#8221; and &#8220;All Lives Matter&#8221; are looking for a conflict.</p>
<p>Remember the third grade bully? (Could be fourth or fifth&#8230; everyone runs into at least one in elementary) When he picked a victim, it didn&#8217;t matter what was said, he&#8217;d find some way to take offense.</p>
<p>Same situation. </p>
<p>Be prepared. Right now, we&#8217;re at the shoving stage. The sucker punch is coming.</p>
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		By: ArtfldgrUselessNothing		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/04/grant-napears-firing-and-vaclav-havels-greengrocer-parable/#comment-2499680</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 16:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The difference between prophets or just observant people is the prophet makes a singular declaration, and has no more knowledge of how or why or method... the observant can point out the details, show why, where its leading, but not to a mind that isnt receptive that denies facts or conclusions by alternative means... ie. observant people are completely undone by more common unobservant people who have great mental defense mechanisms to make up for what they lack otherwise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between prophets or just observant people is the prophet makes a singular declaration, and has no more knowledge of how or why or method&#8230; the observant can point out the details, show why, where its leading, but not to a mind that isnt receptive that denies facts or conclusions by alternative means&#8230; ie. observant people are completely undone by more common unobservant people who have great mental defense mechanisms to make up for what they lack otherwise.</p>
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		By: TonyW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/04/grant-napears-firing-and-vaclav-havels-greengrocer-parable/#comment-2499672</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 15:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@gina from 6/4: I am so glad I am retired. My employer (R&#038;D lab) for 30 years was always focused on work, never politics. Then we got new management about 2005 and things changed quickly. We started celebrating our diversity. We had clubs for all the favored groups and honored all the appropriate History Months.  We had a Diversity Newsletter to keep us informed. As I was on my way out I felt that remaining quiet was less and less an option. People were starting to notice who was cheering and who wasn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@gina from 6/4: I am so glad I am retired. My employer (R&amp;D lab) for 30 years was always focused on work, never politics. Then we got new management about 2005 and things changed quickly. We started celebrating our diversity. We had clubs for all the favored groups and honored all the appropriate History Months.  We had a Diversity Newsletter to keep us informed. As I was on my way out I felt that remaining quiet was less and less an option. People were starting to notice who was cheering and who wasn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: ArtfldgrUselessNothing		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/04/grant-napears-firing-and-vaclav-havels-greengrocer-parable/#comment-2499626</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 14:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@AesopFan  lucid points.. 

as you can tell this wasn&#039;t prophecy, this was calculation and logical
If we dont do X by time Y, then Z will happen

right now, foreign press, like Australia is reporting that if Trump loses the election the united states will cease to exist as it is... 

Something with that level of momentum cant be stopped
the women won long ago, and boy oh boy are they going to HATE the prize they get... its a booby prize, because they didn&#039;t win, they won for a force that controls them.. they were the used people... the unpaid army designed to take advantage of their differences that were denied and facilitate the end of the social structure they were lied to about and taught to hate... (and the more miserable they get the harder they work at being more miserable).  Its almost comical that everything they fought against exists in higher levels in droves comparatively... objectification? ever watch twitchy as young girls try to make money mashing their boobs? or the sex industry being so rife, that very young girls make a living masturbating on camera? how about the clothing worn in the street, almost makes you want to say &quot;Nice camel toe ladies&quot;...    how about mates? they dont earn enough and they are freezing eggs for future men who are never going to be there for a plethora of reasons ranging from they dont want what they made available, to whats available dont want them, as not wanting them has them debase themselves (anal leakage articles in Teen Vogue? yeah, 1960s feminists would do what if they could have looked into a crystal ball and seen THAT was the result of their liberation)... 

i could of course go on... but to what point. 
there are 5 freedoms in the 1st amendment, how many of them are foundational to the things that this crew believes in?  oh, well, we dont need freedom of speech... ok.. sure... what happens to your ability to protest if you cant talk? what happens to your ability to assemble if you cant arrange it? what happens to the press? what happens to the ability to petition the state against things you dont like?

oh... its going to be an interesting hot time in the igloo.. 

you think riots will stop when biden is in office? the buffoon will not know what to do with such things... he poses not acts... he will do the wrong predictable thing because that is what he has learned SHOULD work... 

oh... and if you think biden scares the chinese and russia from conflict... 
i would ask how?  

so you can be sure our daughters will surely look really dumbfounded when they realize they are up for the draft and there is no alternative than to be blown apart and mutilated like the men... which Hillary said isn&#039;t as bad as being home anyway. 

Somewhere in the above is a really really tongue in cheek article..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AesopFan  lucid points.. </p>
<p>as you can tell this wasn&#8217;t prophecy, this was calculation and logical<br />
If we dont do X by time Y, then Z will happen</p>
<p>right now, foreign press, like Australia is reporting that if Trump loses the election the united states will cease to exist as it is&#8230; </p>
<p>Something with that level of momentum cant be stopped<br />
the women won long ago, and boy oh boy are they going to HATE the prize they get&#8230; its a booby prize, because they didn&#8217;t win, they won for a force that controls them.. they were the used people&#8230; the unpaid army designed to take advantage of their differences that were denied and facilitate the end of the social structure they were lied to about and taught to hate&#8230; (and the more miserable they get the harder they work at being more miserable).  Its almost comical that everything they fought against exists in higher levels in droves comparatively&#8230; objectification? ever watch twitchy as young girls try to make money mashing their boobs? or the sex industry being so rife, that very young girls make a living masturbating on camera? how about the clothing worn in the street, almost makes you want to say &#8220;Nice camel toe ladies&#8221;&#8230;    how about mates? they dont earn enough and they are freezing eggs for future men who are never going to be there for a plethora of reasons ranging from they dont want what they made available, to whats available dont want them, as not wanting them has them debase themselves (anal leakage articles in Teen Vogue? yeah, 1960s feminists would do what if they could have looked into a crystal ball and seen THAT was the result of their liberation)&#8230; </p>
<p>i could of course go on&#8230; but to what point.<br />
there are 5 freedoms in the 1st amendment, how many of them are foundational to the things that this crew believes in?  oh, well, we dont need freedom of speech&#8230; ok.. sure&#8230; what happens to your ability to protest if you cant talk? what happens to your ability to assemble if you cant arrange it? what happens to the press? what happens to the ability to petition the state against things you dont like?</p>
<p>oh&#8230; its going to be an interesting hot time in the igloo.. </p>
<p>you think riots will stop when biden is in office? the buffoon will not know what to do with such things&#8230; he poses not acts&#8230; he will do the wrong predictable thing because that is what he has learned SHOULD work&#8230; </p>
<p>oh&#8230; and if you think biden scares the chinese and russia from conflict&#8230;<br />
i would ask how?  </p>
<p>so you can be sure our daughters will surely look really dumbfounded when they realize they are up for the draft and there is no alternative than to be blown apart and mutilated like the men&#8230; which Hillary said isn&#8217;t as bad as being home anyway. </p>
<p>Somewhere in the above is a really really tongue in cheek article..</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 08:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley - our child sacrifices are done in Planned Parenthood abortion clinics.
We even have ritual adulation of the procedure, and women publishing accounts &quot;celebrating&quot; their murders, and telling how much killing their children has improved their lives.

&quot;Baal heard my prayers and blessed me.&quot;

Not quite so exotic as a brass sculpture with a fiery brazier, but far more efficient.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley &#8211; our child sacrifices are done in Planned Parenthood abortion clinics.<br />
We even have ritual adulation of the procedure, and women publishing accounts &#8220;celebrating&#8221; their murders, and telling how much killing their children has improved their lives.</p>
<p>&#8220;Baal heard my prayers and blessed me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not quite so exotic as a brass sculpture with a fiery brazier, but far more efficient.</p>
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		By: Lorenz Gude		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 07:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Today I looked at the home page of my Kindle and unsurprisingly saw that the ‘top left above the fold’ item was a WaPo article titled “Trump’s threats fit a longtime pattern.” Next I had been gifted a book titled “The Pig Did It” so I searched for it in my books by typing in the word ‘pig’ and the first item was from the Amazon store and was entitled “A Pig in the Whitehouse” with a caricature of Donald Trump on the cover. 

Recently Neo or one the commenters characterised what we are seeing as like a fireworks celebration becoming continuous as it nears its climax and that we can expect this level of intense anti Trump propaganda through the election...and beyond if he wins. 

I don’t know and don’t believe I can tell through any conventional means if Trump will be reelected in November. Polls, for example,  are useless. I remember the 60s riots and the realization among some African Americans that they had destroyed their own neighborhoods. From my perch in Australia, I have no way to know what is going on in the souls of Black folk, or White folk for that matter Hispanic and Asian folk or anyone else. Trump’s election showed that there is a perturbation in American culture and politics at a deep level - a disruption in the Force - if you will. There is a specialized $2 word for this process which I think is useful to introduce here. 

Enantiodromia is a principle introduced in the West by psychiatrist Carl Jung. In Psychological Types, Jung defines enantiodromia as &quot;the emergence of the unconscious opposite in the course of time” -  Wikipedia

All the fireworks are an attempt to stop this natural, but under the radar, process. The  concept of enantiodromia shows that the fireworks are profoundly reactionary. Sometimes such attempts to reinstate the status quo ante succeed, sometimes they don’t. But to cut to the chase this situation has happened before and is memorialised in the nursery rhyme Humpty Dumpty. Some socio-political changes are irreversible and it is worth noting that another nursery rhyme - Tweedle Dum and Tweedle dee arose in Anglospheric tradition in the late 18th century. In 2016 Hillary versus Jeb would have constituted a perfect Tweedle Dum Tweedle Dee moment. Something else happened, as we know, and we still have no idea how it will end. But the argument between Alice and Humpty Dumpty in Lewis Carol’s Through the Looking Glass is...er...instructive

Again from Wikipedia:

Alice remarks that Humpty is &quot;exactly like an egg,&quot; which Humpty finds to be &quot;very provoking.&quot; Alice clarifies that she said he looks like an egg, not that he is one. They discuss semantics and pragmatics[26] when Humpty Dumpty says, &quot;my name means the shape I am,&quot; and later:[27]
&quot;I don&#039;t know what you mean by &#039;glory,&#039;?&quot; Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. &quot;Of course you don&#039;t—till I tell you. I meant &#039;there&#039;s a nice knock-down argument for you!&#039;&quot;
&quot;But &#039;glory&#039; doesn&#039;t mean &#039;a nice knock-down argument&#039;,&quot; Alice objected.
&quot;When I use a word,&quot; Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, &quot;it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.&quot;
&quot;The question is,&quot; said Alice, &quot;whether you can make words mean so many different things.&quot;
&quot;The question is,&quot; said Humpty Dumpty, &quot;which is to be master—that&#039;s all.&quot;

QED]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today I looked at the home page of my Kindle and unsurprisingly saw that the ‘top left above the fold’ item was a WaPo article titled “Trump’s threats fit a longtime pattern.” Next I had been gifted a book titled “The Pig Did It” so I searched for it in my books by typing in the word ‘pig’ and the first item was from the Amazon store and was entitled “A Pig in the Whitehouse” with a caricature of Donald Trump on the cover. </p>
<p>Recently Neo or one the commenters characterised what we are seeing as like a fireworks celebration becoming continuous as it nears its climax and that we can expect this level of intense anti Trump propaganda through the election&#8230;and beyond if he wins. </p>
<p>I don’t know and don’t believe I can tell through any conventional means if Trump will be reelected in November. Polls, for example,  are useless. I remember the 60s riots and the realization among some African Americans that they had destroyed their own neighborhoods. From my perch in Australia, I have no way to know what is going on in the souls of Black folk, or White folk for that matter Hispanic and Asian folk or anyone else. Trump’s election showed that there is a perturbation in American culture and politics at a deep level &#8211; a disruption in the Force &#8211; if you will. There is a specialized $2 word for this process which I think is useful to introduce here. </p>
<p>Enantiodromia is a principle introduced in the West by psychiatrist Carl Jung. In Psychological Types, Jung defines enantiodromia as &#8220;the emergence of the unconscious opposite in the course of time” &#8211;  Wikipedia</p>
<p>All the fireworks are an attempt to stop this natural, but under the radar, process. The  concept of enantiodromia shows that the fireworks are profoundly reactionary. Sometimes such attempts to reinstate the status quo ante succeed, sometimes they don’t. But to cut to the chase this situation has happened before and is memorialised in the nursery rhyme Humpty Dumpty. Some socio-political changes are irreversible and it is worth noting that another nursery rhyme &#8211; Tweedle Dum and Tweedle dee arose in Anglospheric tradition in the late 18th century. In 2016 Hillary versus Jeb would have constituted a perfect Tweedle Dum Tweedle Dee moment. Something else happened, as we know, and we still have no idea how it will end. But the argument between Alice and Humpty Dumpty in Lewis Carol’s Through the Looking Glass is&#8230;er&#8230;instructive</p>
<p>Again from Wikipedia:</p>
<p>Alice remarks that Humpty is &#8220;exactly like an egg,&#8221; which Humpty finds to be &#8220;very provoking.&#8221; Alice clarifies that she said he looks like an egg, not that he is one. They discuss semantics and pragmatics[26] when Humpty Dumpty says, &#8220;my name means the shape I am,&#8221; and later:[27]<br />
&#8220;I don&#8217;t know what you mean by &#8216;glory,&#8217;?&#8221; Alice said.<br />
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. &#8220;Of course you don&#8217;t—till I tell you. I meant &#8216;there&#8217;s a nice knock-down argument for you!'&#8221;<br />
&#8220;But &#8216;glory&#8217; doesn&#8217;t mean &#8216;a nice knock-down argument&#8217;,&#8221; Alice objected.<br />
&#8220;When I use a word,&#8221; Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, &#8220;it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The question is,&#8221; said Alice, &#8220;whether you can make words mean so many different things.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;The question is,&#8221; said Humpty Dumpty, &#8220;which is to be master—that&#8217;s all.&#8221;</p>
<p>QED</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 06:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon W.: As Sean Connery (Malone) said to Kevin Costner (Eliot Ness) in &quot;The Untouchables,&quot; after all the knife-gun fight stuff:

&lt;i&gt;Well, the Lord hates a coward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFWfOBfTQLg&lt;/i&gt;

Then Connery gives up his quiet life for the quest to bring down Al Capone.

***

I love this alternate line from the Episcopalian Eucharist service:

&lt;i&gt;Deliver us from the presumption of coming to this Table for solace only and not for strength...&lt;/i&gt;

Amen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon W.: As Sean Connery (Malone) said to Kevin Costner (Eliot Ness) in &#8220;The Untouchables,&#8221; after all the knife-gun fight stuff:</p>
<p><i>Well, the Lord hates a coward.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFWfOBfTQLg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFWfOBfTQLg</a></i></p>
<p>Then Connery gives up his quiet life for the quest to bring down Al Capone.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>I love this alternate line from the Episcopalian Eucharist service:</p>
<p><i>Deliver us from the presumption of coming to this Table for solace only and not for strength&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Amen.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 06:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are the BLM-sign-grifters going to ask this pastor to put one in his window?
He might give them a sermon they don&#039;t want to hear.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chicago-pastor-this-weeks-violence-has-set-our-black-community-back-decades/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the BLM-sign-grifters going to ask this pastor to put one in his window?<br />
He might give them a sermon they don&#8217;t want to hear.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chicago-pastor-this-weeks-violence-has-set-our-black-community-back-decades/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/chicago-pastor-this-weeks-violence-has-set-our-black-community-back-decades/</a></p>
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