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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/03/language-and-political-change/#comment-2499786</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 22:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo, the exact thing that galvanized my &quot;change&quot; - actually it had been building for years but when I stopped voting for Democrats for good - was when I realized that not only had the &quot;Michael Moore&quot; wing taken over the party, but the &quot;elders&quot; who should have known better went along with it for political reasons.  So all the faux moderates like say Biden and Klobuchar are really no better than the hard leftists because they will end up enacting the same policies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo, the exact thing that galvanized my &#8220;change&#8221; &#8211; actually it had been building for years but when I stopped voting for Democrats for good &#8211; was when I realized that not only had the &#8220;Michael Moore&#8221; wing taken over the party, but the &#8220;elders&#8221; who should have known better went along with it for political reasons.  So all the faux moderates like say Biden and Klobuchar are really no better than the hard leftists because they will end up enacting the same policies.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/03/language-and-political-change/#comment-2499696</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 18:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Grey:

I&#039;ll tell you exactly why I do that. There&#039;s a reason, and it&#039;s not what you think.

For years - actually, for most of the life of this blog - I would carefully write something like &quot;leftists and Democrats&quot; or more often &quot;liberals and leftists&quot; (and sometimes I&#039;d add &quot;and the MSM&quot;) in order to distinguish and point out exactly what I was talking about. This invariably would engender criticism and a big back and forth in the comments to the effect of &quot;Why do you say that?  Why not just call them all &#039;leftists,&#039; because there&#039;s hardly any distinction anymore and if you vote for a &#039;Democrat&#039; that&#039;s a euphemism and what you always get is leftist policies. So just call them all &#039;leftists&#039; cause that&#039;s essentially what they are.&quot;

So now that&#039;s what I&#039;ve decided to do. Because that&#039;s what they all are.

And now I get the opposite criticism. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Grey:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you exactly why I do that. There&#8217;s a reason, and it&#8217;s not what you think.</p>
<p>For years &#8211; actually, for most of the life of this blog &#8211; I would carefully write something like &#8220;leftists and Democrats&#8221; or more often &#8220;liberals and leftists&#8221; (and sometimes I&#8217;d add &#8220;and the MSM&#8221;) in order to distinguish and point out exactly what I was talking about. This invariably would engender criticism and a big back and forth in the comments to the effect of &#8220;Why do you say that?  Why not just call them all &#8216;leftists,&#8217; because there&#8217;s hardly any distinction anymore and if you vote for a &#8216;Democrat&#8217; that&#8217;s a euphemism and what you always get is leftist policies. So just call them all &#8216;leftists&#8217; cause that&#8217;s essentially what they are.&#8221;</p>
<p>So now that&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve decided to do. Because that&#8217;s what they all are.</p>
<p>And now I get the opposite criticism. 🙂</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/03/language-and-political-change/#comment-2499693</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 18:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Language is important.
One of the great &lt;i&gt;coups&lt;/i&gt; is that folk here, including Neo, prefer to talk about &quot;the Left&quot; rather than &quot;Democrats&quot;.

Because there are some on the left, like Bernie!, who don&#039;t call themselves Democrats.

But if the Left gets blamed, that allows voters to keep voting for &quot;the good Dems&quot;.

Democrats should be blamed.  Democrat policies should be blamed.  Voters who vote Democrat should be blamed -- and laughed at for voting Democrat.

We should be using &quot;Democrat&quot; wherever there is a bad public policy which is in place, like NYC, with a Dem mayor.  Or NY State, with a Dem governor.  (Or do I have to literally spell it out - Democrat?)

Only if Reps win elections will the rot in America be reduced.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Language is important.<br />
One of the great <i>coups</i> is that folk here, including Neo, prefer to talk about &#8220;the Left&#8221; rather than &#8220;Democrats&#8221;.</p>
<p>Because there are some on the left, like Bernie!, who don&#8217;t call themselves Democrats.</p>
<p>But if the Left gets blamed, that allows voters to keep voting for &#8220;the good Dems&#8221;.</p>
<p>Democrats should be blamed.  Democrat policies should be blamed.  Voters who vote Democrat should be blamed &#8212; and laughed at for voting Democrat.</p>
<p>We should be using &#8220;Democrat&#8221; wherever there is a bad public policy which is in place, like NYC, with a Dem mayor.  Or NY State, with a Dem governor.  (Or do I have to literally spell it out &#8211; Democrat?)</p>
<p>Only if Reps win elections will the rot in America be reduced.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/03/language-and-political-change/#comment-2499475</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 01:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan:

During the 1992 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-10-mn-2506-story.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this happened&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Four thousand Army soldiers and Marines sent to quell the recent week’s civil disorders were sent home Saturday from riot-scarred Los Angeles, leaving the streets patrolled by National Guard units and a battle-weary police force demoralized by public bickering over their readiness and performance during the unrest.

Soon after the order to withdraw came from Washington about midday Saturday, a force of 2,500 Army troops were packing and boarding transport planes for flights back to their base at Ft. Ord. At the same time, about 1,500 Marines were convoyed south in trucks to Camp Pendleton.

Thousands of National Guard troops remained in the city, and though only a handful were visible in the caravans of Humvees that had overrun much of downtown and South Los Angeles in recent days, more than 9,000 stood by in the event of more violence.

City officials indicated that they expect the Guard to stay at least a few more days before beginning to pull out of Los Angeles.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>During the 1992 Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, <a href="https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-05-10-mn-2506-story.html" rel="nofollow">this happened</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Four thousand Army soldiers and Marines sent to quell the recent week’s civil disorders were sent home Saturday from riot-scarred Los Angeles, leaving the streets patrolled by National Guard units and a battle-weary police force demoralized by public bickering over their readiness and performance during the unrest.</p>
<p>Soon after the order to withdraw came from Washington about midday Saturday, a force of 2,500 Army troops were packing and boarding transport planes for flights back to their base at Ft. Ord. At the same time, about 1,500 Marines were convoyed south in trucks to Camp Pendleton.</p>
<p>Thousands of National Guard troops remained in the city, and though only a handful were visible in the caravans of Humvees that had overrun much of downtown and South Los Angeles in recent days, more than 9,000 stood by in the event of more violence.</p>
<p>City officials indicated that they expect the Guard to stay at least a few more days before beginning to pull out of Los Angeles.</p></blockquote>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/03/language-and-political-change/#comment-2499472</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2020 00:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[FWIW - I have a couple of more things to say about General Mattis.
(1) He is retired; thus, he is a civilian, and entitled to say anything he wants about anything he wants. I disagree with his POV, obviously. However, despite his experience and training, he is NOW just another pundit.

(2) What I agree with, on the other hand, is that any President needs to use extreme care about ordering military forces to confront American citizens (even TWANLOC) because it sets a very bad precedent.  
Given that several presidents have, in fact, done so (lists are floating around the web), the case for force needs to be so clear and so compelling, and so urgent, that the legitimacy of the order should not be questioned (it will be, of course; &quot;should not&quot; isn&#039;t the same as &quot;can not&quot;).

There are many people in the right-wing blogosphere who are very confident that, if a Democrat president sends troops out to round up conservatives, the soldiers would disobey. However, that is not a bet I would choose to make, especially in the current partisan circus.
Troops that would obey orders to fire on Antifa arsonists would also fire on Constitutionalists perceived (even if just by the governing party) to be endangering life or property.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW &#8211; I have a couple of more things to say about General Mattis.<br />
(1) He is retired; thus, he is a civilian, and entitled to say anything he wants about anything he wants. I disagree with his POV, obviously. However, despite his experience and training, he is NOW just another pundit.</p>
<p>(2) What I agree with, on the other hand, is that any President needs to use extreme care about ordering military forces to confront American citizens (even TWANLOC) because it sets a very bad precedent.<br />
Given that several presidents have, in fact, done so (lists are floating around the web), the case for force needs to be so clear and so compelling, and so urgent, that the legitimacy of the order should not be questioned (it will be, of course; &#8220;should not&#8221; isn&#8217;t the same as &#8220;can not&#8221;).</p>
<p>There are many people in the right-wing blogosphere who are very confident that, if a Democrat president sends troops out to round up conservatives, the soldiers would disobey. However, that is not a bet I would choose to make, especially in the current partisan circus.<br />
Troops that would obey orders to fire on Antifa arsonists would also fire on Constitutionalists perceived (even if just by the governing party) to be endangering life or property.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/03/language-and-political-change/#comment-2499418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2020 23:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley - Lewis and the press are not alone in that deliberate substitution of meaning.
Per Snow on Pine on another thread, Gen. Mattis is also part of the crew.

See https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/former-trump-secdef-mattis-joins-resistance-blasts-president-handling-riots-nazi-slur/

&lt;blockquote&gt;We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Sentence 1 conflates rioters with peaceful protestors.
Sentence 2 was never uttered by Mattis about the Obama/FBI/CIA spying on Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley &#8211; Lewis and the press are not alone in that deliberate substitution of meaning.<br />
Per Snow on Pine on another thread, Gen. Mattis is also part of the crew.</p>
<p>See <a href="https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/former-trump-secdef-mattis-joins-resistance-blasts-president-handling-riots-nazi-slur/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/06/former-trump-secdef-mattis-joins-resistance-blasts-president-handling-riots-nazi-slur/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>We know that we are better than the abuse of executive authority that we witnessed in Lafayette Square. We must reject and hold accountable those in office who would make a mockery of our Constitution.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Sentence 1 conflates rioters with peaceful protestors.<br />
Sentence 2 was never uttered by Mattis about the Obama/FBI/CIA spying on Trump.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/03/language-and-political-change/#comment-2499369</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2020 20:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“I think it would be a serious mistake on the part of President Trump to use the military to stop orderly, peaceful, nonviolent protests,” Cong. John Lewis (D-GA). &lt;/i&gt;

Richard Saunders: As a young man John Lewis was a Freedom Rider during the Civil Rights movement and that meant something. 

However, I&#039;m not going to forget that he was one of the black congressmen who lied that the Tea Party used the N-word against them. As far as I&#039;m concerned, Lewis is just another race hustler these days. And he&#039;s still at it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“I think it would be a serious mistake on the part of President Trump to use the military to stop orderly, peaceful, nonviolent protests,” Cong. John Lewis (D-GA). </i></p>
<p>Richard Saunders: As a young man John Lewis was a Freedom Rider during the Civil Rights movement and that meant something. </p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m not going to forget that he was one of the black congressmen who lied that the Tea Party used the N-word against them. As far as I&#8217;m concerned, Lewis is just another race hustler these days. And he&#8217;s still at it.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/03/language-and-political-change/#comment-2499361</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2020 20:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think it would be a serious mistake on the part of President Trump to use the military to stop orderly, peaceful, nonviolent protests,&quot; Cong. John Lewis (D-GA).  Notice how Lewis has morphed what President Trump said, which was to use the &quot;U.S. military&quot; against rioters and looters, and not against peaceful protestors, a distinction which Trump has made repeatedly.  Did the interviewer  on CBS This Morning ask him whether he meant that looting, burning, and attacking the police and civilians were a form of &quot;orderly, peaceful, nonviolent protest?  As my Crim Law professor always said, &quot;To ask the question is to answer it.&quot;
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-lewis-serious-mistake-for-trump-to-use-military-to-quash-protests/ar-BB152a4X?ocid=msedgntp


Note also that neither Lewis or any of the People&#039;s Commisariat of Propaganda  (aka MSM) have mentioned that the National Guard is part of the U.S. military, and that the President may federalize them, which many presidents have done in cases of riot.  

Oh, well, 2 + 2 = 5, and we have always been at war with Oceania.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think it would be a serious mistake on the part of President Trump to use the military to stop orderly, peaceful, nonviolent protests,&#8221; Cong. John Lewis (D-GA).  Notice how Lewis has morphed what President Trump said, which was to use the &#8220;U.S. military&#8221; against rioters and looters, and not against peaceful protestors, a distinction which Trump has made repeatedly.  Did the interviewer  on CBS This Morning ask him whether he meant that looting, burning, and attacking the police and civilians were a form of &#8220;orderly, peaceful, nonviolent protest?  As my Crim Law professor always said, &#8220;To ask the question is to answer it.&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-lewis-serious-mistake-for-trump-to-use-military-to-quash-protests/ar-BB152a4X?ocid=msedgntp" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/john-lewis-serious-mistake-for-trump-to-use-military-to-quash-protests/ar-BB152a4X?ocid=msedgntp</a></p>
<p>Note also that neither Lewis or any of the People&#8217;s Commisariat of Propaganda  (aka MSM) have mentioned that the National Guard is part of the U.S. military, and that the President may federalize them, which many presidents have done in cases of riot.  </p>
<p>Oh, well, 2 + 2 = 5, and we have always been at war with Oceania.</p>
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		By: Ray		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/03/language-and-political-change/#comment-2499294</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2020 19:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess the black drug dealer on the corner is now an undocumented pharmacist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the black drug dealer on the corner is now an undocumented pharmacist.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/06/03/language-and-political-change/#comment-2499281</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2020 18:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Semantic games.  Show me the principles!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semantic games.  Show me the principles!</p>
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