How do you rationalize your premise when county voting patterns today mostly reflect what they were 100 years ago (regardless of mix and percentages of males and females), when population density is taken into account? In other words, counties that are still rural tend to vote against big, centralized government and counties that are urban vote for big government.

Herkimer County, New York (only 215 miles from Manhattan) went for Trump by 79%. Do the women there not know they won sufferage?

I think I understand your thesis, but I still disagree. Maybe you’d agree with this? Urban living provides an environment that allows some women to lose focus on family and community?

I’m not sure I agree with that, but I’m trying to find common ground. You don’t seem to be refuting my premise that women raised on family farms, in small, close knit communities, in difficult circumstances battling nature… don’t tend to attend Bernie Sanders’ rallies. Nor do men raised in the same environments.

Maybe it has more to do with one’s upbringing and immediate environment than one’s gender?

Is there some vast catalog of civilized, urbanized people not employing slavery and communist practices (a centralized governor doling out largess) that I missed learning about in history class?

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to the first… yes… your right… mostly… the urban living was often under the protection of another, and or came from being serfs… the people were owned.. which is much the same as communism is… ie. a modernized return to rule by lords and ladies if not kings or czars under a different image or pretext…

as to the 2nd part.. well yeah… there were… but they tended to be small… and not last long in the face of the others…

but my comment was more towards the modern era… i probably wasnt clear enough given that it was focused on the american experiment and how that is destined to end because it was so open and trusting and generally good… and that it would fall by trickery and confusing the natural power base… the man is the head but the woman is the neck… which is why lysistrada pointed it out, Hitler spoke about it, Stalin included it, and Marx wanted to tax it and use it… and so on.. throughout history, if one takes a careful look one can see this is quite a ruinous thing, and like communism itself, never lead to success… the ladies tended to exercise capricious power through others, and were quite happy not to suffer for their actions when things didnt go well (and unhappy when such things did reach them).

This is a nice site too;

https://youtu.be/tac5Mtz3CP0

The creator of the YouTube site is a New Zealander, who is so enthusiastic and the homes are amazing.

Tom Grey’s remarks about his precocious interest in, and purchase of certain albums as a boy in 1965, left me puzzled over some dates that did not seem to jibe. Valli had 1962 hits? Surely Frankie Valli was filling the airwaves with his falsetto a couple years before that?

Yeah, I said to myself, and then he went away and did Abraham, Martin, and John, whenever that was.

Ok. So I obviously got them confused, or conflated, and his persumed dates in particular off by 18 months at least. I would have been taller than a step table and a table top radio by then.

Dion, Frankie, I guess they are not the same person …

But man, the headaches those falsetto voices caused; that , was not mistaken.

“nope… been a lot of urbanity in history of man… they did not naturally lead to communism and state slavery…”

I’m not sure what lead to what, but 99.9% of human governments have been a dictatorship inherited through male lines “Monarchy,” dictatorship by one or more male religious figures “Theocracy,” or dictatorship by a military leader “Stratocracy.” And Stratocracies typically become Monarchies/Theocracies as Caesar or Pharoah or the Chinese Emperor and their heirs conveniently become gods sent to Earth.

There seems to be a direct correlation to urban living and men’s desires for a king to rule them. I think maybe the Vikings or some Norse group had some type of democratic leadership council and the Romans and Greeks had some brief periods of triumvirates and democratic control until things swung back to a military leader who then declared himself and his heirs gods and hereditary monarchs.

Is there some vast catalog of civilized, urbanized people not employing slavery and communist practices (a centralized governor doling out largess) that I missed learning about in history class?

I really want to build an electric upright and start messing around with playing. Bass is such a crucial instrument and I think the visual of an upright bass player adds a lot to a band’s stage presence. And it’s great fun to watch players who add some showmanship to their playing. I’d like to mess around with it a bit, but not enough to invest in an acoustic upright. Also, I think building an electric would be a fun project. But, alas, I’ll probably never get around to it.

For what it’s worth, I always advocate that bass and drums are the heart and soul of every band. A good bass player and drummer force everyone else to play better.