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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 18:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I hope to be forgiven.  I think.

One reason I hope for a crushing defeat of dems in the coming election, and catastrophe wished upon the Swamp is to preserve the republic.

Another is the vile, vicious accusations of every kind of crime by the dems of republicans and particularly Trump supporters for years.  i want the dems yelling at the moon.

The first will provide the second.  I hope I don&#039;t gloat publicly.

It is not worthy but......I&#039;ve had enough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope to be forgiven.  I think.</p>
<p>One reason I hope for a crushing defeat of dems in the coming election, and catastrophe wished upon the Swamp is to preserve the republic.</p>
<p>Another is the vile, vicious accusations of every kind of crime by the dems of republicans and particularly Trump supporters for years.  i want the dems yelling at the moon.</p>
<p>The first will provide the second.  I hope I don&#8217;t gloat publicly.</p>
<p>It is not worthy but&#8230;&#8230;I&#8217;ve had enough.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 18:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Liberals do not really have friends.. 
in case you havent noticed
with priorities not in order, friends only seem like friends until they grow
and with revolution in their hearts, the Chatechism of the revolutionary point shows this to be true, as they will abandon &#039;friends&#039; and family, and invent all manner of methods of having the same in some other pseudo form to replace them, just as long as their utopian ideal lines up... 

at least till they get what they want, then they become the counter revolution
but their postion is well guarded and they are prepared for that conversion
for in the prior state they could protest, and in the new one, they get shot at or disappeared... 

you cant change a pickle into a cucumber..

[on the issue of indoctrination, thank the feminists for it... just as predicted we would follow the women as that is what we have always done... and they HAD to indoctrinate to make the lies of their movement have legs... they had to stultify the posterity, for then, their reformation of reality would not be challenged... if not for them, we would not be so dumb, disorganized, mentally ill from lack of parents, and much more cohesive... sadly, they were played and do not know that they are doing this for an end they would reverse once they get it (if they are not so deluded to realize it)]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberals do not really have friends..<br />
in case you havent noticed<br />
with priorities not in order, friends only seem like friends until they grow<br />
and with revolution in their hearts, the Chatechism of the revolutionary point shows this to be true, as they will abandon &#8216;friends&#8217; and family, and invent all manner of methods of having the same in some other pseudo form to replace them, just as long as their utopian ideal lines up&#8230; </p>
<p>at least till they get what they want, then they become the counter revolution<br />
but their postion is well guarded and they are prepared for that conversion<br />
for in the prior state they could protest, and in the new one, they get shot at or disappeared&#8230; </p>
<p>you cant change a pickle into a cucumber..</p>
<p>[on the issue of indoctrination, thank the feminists for it&#8230; just as predicted we would follow the women as that is what we have always done&#8230; and they HAD to indoctrinate to make the lies of their movement have legs&#8230; they had to stultify the posterity, for then, their reformation of reality would not be challenged&#8230; if not for them, we would not be so dumb, disorganized, mentally ill from lack of parents, and much more cohesive&#8230; sadly, they were played and do not know that they are doing this for an end they would reverse once they get it (if they are not so deluded to realize it)]</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 17:03:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Grey
I see those conversation starters but I don&#039;t see a result.  Your friends, or whoever you speak to, believe.  Asking how they feel about being lied to requires them to think they&#039;ve been lied to.

No way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Grey<br />
I see those conversation starters but I don&#8217;t see a result.  Your friends, or whoever you speak to, believe.  Asking how they feel about being lied to requires them to think they&#8217;ve been lied to.</p>
<p>No way.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 16:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Many of my friends in the US hate Trump, but it wasn&#039;t really worth arguing about it.

I do wish more folks tried different &quot;trial balloon&quot; lines on some of their liberal friends.  And let others know some trial attempts and responses.  Tho it&#039;s certain to be mostly hostile responses, as Roy mentioned: &quot;Bill Cosby had betrayed me too.&quot;

The Dems have betrayed their voters, too.

But it ain&#039;t gonna be shown so much in Nov. 2020, unless there are multiple indictments.

Here are some trial balloon conversation starters:
1) Have you heard of Trump Derangement Syndrome?  When some Democrat hates Trump so much they start acting irrationally and believing lies.  What do you think about that, is that for real? ... [it&#039;s Dem hatred against all pro-life Reps]
[lies about Russian collusion; about Flynn; by Ford about Kavanaugh - hypocritical with Tara Reade.]

2) Don&#039;t you hate the hate the media lying?  Like when somebody says a .. b .. c and the news reports it as a-c?

3) Some people still believe CNN and the Dem media -- how many times does the media have to lie before normal folk stop believing them? 5? 10? 50 times?

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The polarization has come about because Reps have accepted being discriminated against in colleges, so that most colleges refuse to hire pro-life Republicans as professors, or administrators.  That $1.5 trillion &quot;student debt&quot; mostly goes to the anti-Rep college indoctrination system.

The polarization in society won&#039;t be going down as long as it&#039;s allowed and encouraged in colleges who are &lt;s&gt;educating&lt;/s&gt; &lt;b&gt;indoctrinating&lt;/b&gt; the future elite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of my friends in the US hate Trump, but it wasn&#8217;t really worth arguing about it.</p>
<p>I do wish more folks tried different &#8220;trial balloon&#8221; lines on some of their liberal friends.  And let others know some trial attempts and responses.  Tho it&#8217;s certain to be mostly hostile responses, as Roy mentioned: &#8220;Bill Cosby had betrayed me too.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Dems have betrayed their voters, too.</p>
<p>But it ain&#8217;t gonna be shown so much in Nov. 2020, unless there are multiple indictments.</p>
<p>Here are some trial balloon conversation starters:<br />
1) Have you heard of Trump Derangement Syndrome?  When some Democrat hates Trump so much they start acting irrationally and believing lies.  What do you think about that, is that for real? &#8230; [it&#8217;s Dem hatred against all pro-life Reps]<br />
[lies about Russian collusion; about Flynn; by Ford about Kavanaugh &#8211; hypocritical with Tara Reade.]</p>
<p>2) Don&#8217;t you hate the hate the media lying?  Like when somebody says a .. b .. c and the news reports it as a-c?</p>
<p>3) Some people still believe CNN and the Dem media &#8212; how many times does the media have to lie before normal folk stop believing them? 5? 10? 50 times?</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>The polarization has come about because Reps have accepted being discriminated against in colleges, so that most colleges refuse to hire pro-life Republicans as professors, or administrators.  That $1.5 trillion &#8220;student debt&#8221; mostly goes to the anti-Rep college indoctrination system.</p>
<p>The polarization in society won&#8217;t be going down as long as it&#8217;s allowed and encouraged in colleges who are <s>educating</s> <b>indoctrinating</b> the future elite.</p>
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		By: MBunge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MBunge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 15:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“What I’ve noticed about the left in that affair is they kept dancing around the checkerboard.“


THIS was the key thing about Kavanaugh.  I used to read a blogger who would kinda, sorta, almost admit the charges against Kavanaugh were bunk but still insisted he couldn’t be on the Supreme Court because of all the “lies” he told during his confirmation.  Which was just as much bunk but was a justification he felt more comfortable with and, more importantly, could talk about with the folks on his social media feed.

This same blogger also once casually remarked how it was a shame the people he talks with on Facebook, old friends of a more conservative bent, aren’t as “evolved” as the folks on his Twitter feed, largely media figures the blogger has probably never met in person.

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“What I’ve noticed about the left in that affair is they kept dancing around the checkerboard.“</p>
<p>THIS was the key thing about Kavanaugh.  I used to read a blogger who would kinda, sorta, almost admit the charges against Kavanaugh were bunk but still insisted he couldn’t be on the Supreme Court because of all the “lies” he told during his confirmation.  Which was just as much bunk but was a justification he felt more comfortable with and, more importantly, could talk about with the folks on his social media feed.</p>
<p>This same blogger also once casually remarked how it was a shame the people he talks with on Facebook, old friends of a more conservative bent, aren’t as “evolved” as the folks on his Twitter feed, largely media figures the blogger has probably never met in person.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: Texan99		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 13:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One other thing:  the total black-out on news about how Flynn came to plead guilty--the threat to his son, the written evidence that this &quot;handshake&quot; part of the plea deal was withheld from the court, the inevitable conclusion that the prosecution knew that the threat to his son was illegitimate--all argues to me that these are deadly facts.  The desperation to hide them is all the more reason it might be helpful to get out there and publicize them.  Just to judge by myself, the guilty plea always has been the most concerning part of the Flynn debacle.  People need to understand why the guilty plea might not mean what they assume it means.  A few will listen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing:  the total black-out on news about how Flynn came to plead guilty&#8211;the threat to his son, the written evidence that this &#8220;handshake&#8221; part of the plea deal was withheld from the court, the inevitable conclusion that the prosecution knew that the threat to his son was illegitimate&#8211;all argues to me that these are deadly facts.  The desperation to hide them is all the more reason it might be helpful to get out there and publicize them.  Just to judge by myself, the guilty plea always has been the most concerning part of the Flynn debacle.  People need to understand why the guilty plea might not mean what they assume it means.  A few will listen.</p>
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		By: Texan99		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Texan99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 13:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I made the mistake of mentioning to one relative that the article was very partisan based on the wording, and his reply was that I undermined my argument by being partisan.&quot;--But he doesn&#039;t think the article&#039;s author undermined his own argument by being partisan.  Classic.

If pressed into a corner and made to discuss this with friends whom I&#039;d rather not offend, I&#039;d probably say that I might share their opinion if I shared their confidence in their sources.

I thought DNW&#039;s original long comment was bang on point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I made the mistake of mentioning to one relative that the article was very partisan based on the wording, and his reply was that I undermined my argument by being partisan.&#8221;&#8211;But he doesn&#8217;t think the article&#8217;s author undermined his own argument by being partisan.  Classic.</p>
<p>If pressed into a corner and made to discuss this with friends whom I&#8217;d rather not offend, I&#8217;d probably say that I might share their opinion if I shared their confidence in their sources.</p>
<p>I thought DNW&#8217;s original long comment was bang on point.</p>
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		By: AMartel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AMartel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 12:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Once you accept one unsupported “truth,” you are more vulnerable to additional and increasingly outrageous lies.  No one wants to admit they’ve been used, that they’re just a little cog in a big phony machine, that they’re a foolish tool of an oppressive machine, that they’re an enormous hypocrite, etc.  

The herd protects itself.

This can be a way to penetrate the thick candy shell.  Attack the messenger, the media.  The profiteering corporate entities, who apparently spend a lot of their time sexually harassing anything that moves, who sold these poor deplorable yokels with a puppet show.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once you accept one unsupported “truth,” you are more vulnerable to additional and increasingly outrageous lies.  No one wants to admit they’ve been used, that they’re just a little cog in a big phony machine, that they’re a foolish tool of an oppressive machine, that they’re an enormous hypocrite, etc.  </p>
<p>The herd protects itself.</p>
<p>This can be a way to penetrate the thick candy shell.  Attack the messenger, the media.  The profiteering corporate entities, who apparently spend a lot of their time sexually harassing anything that moves, who sold these poor deplorable yokels with a puppet show.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 10:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Most people will not listen and are not of the “willing to talk about it in a relatively calm manner” type.&lt;/b&gt;

I know of a few people that would fit that bill here as well.

The Leftist alliance is like a mafia or mob, controlled by fear and a hierarchy. Conservatives are not much better, it is just that the control mechanisms are specially designed for conservatives, which are different in many ways from Leftists or even fake/real liberals.

Everyone is in the Matrix. The Slave System of Humanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Most people will not listen and are not of the “willing to talk about it in a relatively calm manner” type.</b></p>
<p>I know of a few people that would fit that bill here as well.</p>
<p>The Leftist alliance is like a mafia or mob, controlled by fear and a hierarchy. Conservatives are not much better, it is just that the control mechanisms are specially designed for conservatives, which are different in many ways from Leftists or even fake/real liberals.</p>
<p>Everyone is in the Matrix. The Slave System of Humanity.</p>
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		By: quiet conservative		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[quiet conservative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2020 02:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m very skeptical of the opinions of those on the left, or even the &quot;liberal&quot; folks out there. Twenty years ago, I wouldn&#039;t be saying this. But something is very different now. The liberals / lefties have for many years had a monopoly on the dissemination of thought and ideas to the public through news, entertainment and culture. Digitalization of communication through cable, internet, etc. has given voice to the center and the right, and a certain portion of the public has listened. Those on the left have noticed this, long ago. With developments like Trump and Brexit, the left has gone extreme to an extent well beyond the right. There are always exceptions, but in general, they are less likely to want to listen, to have an open mind, and to respect the diversity of other points of view. They want their political opponents out, and for good. For example, the drive for lax borders to obtain the eventual votes of the undocumented and the move to ban speech they don&#039;t like. An excellent example is the former NYT writer who helped create Politico and the Hill who freely admits he doesn&#039;t care if Joe Biden molested that woman; all he cares about is getting Trump out. He probably thinks like a lot of what I used to consider reasonable liberals. The point is, taking to your &quot;liberal&quot; friends is likely to be a waste of time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very skeptical of the opinions of those on the left, or even the &#8220;liberal&#8221; folks out there. Twenty years ago, I wouldn&#8217;t be saying this. But something is very different now. The liberals / lefties have for many years had a monopoly on the dissemination of thought and ideas to the public through news, entertainment and culture. Digitalization of communication through cable, internet, etc. has given voice to the center and the right, and a certain portion of the public has listened. Those on the left have noticed this, long ago. With developments like Trump and Brexit, the left has gone extreme to an extent well beyond the right. There are always exceptions, but in general, they are less likely to want to listen, to have an open mind, and to respect the diversity of other points of view. They want their political opponents out, and for good. For example, the drive for lax borders to obtain the eventual votes of the undocumented and the move to ban speech they don&#8217;t like. An excellent example is the former NYT writer who helped create Politico and the Hill who freely admits he doesn&#8217;t care if Joe Biden molested that woman; all he cares about is getting Trump out. He probably thinks like a lot of what I used to consider reasonable liberals. The point is, taking to your &#8220;liberal&#8221; friends is likely to be a waste of time.</p>
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