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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[JohnTyler on April 24, 2020 at 5:13 pm said:
Of course, the other possibility is that Steele just made up, out of thin air, much of his work of fiction; that there were NO sources, NONE whatsoever, that comprised his work of fiction.
...
Think about it; one of Trump’s main campaign points was energy independence for the USA; drill, drill, drill, frack frack frack. Which, of course , increases the supply of world oil/gas, which obviously depresses world oil/gas prices, &lt;b&gt;which REALLY hurts the Russians/Putin because OVER 50% of Russian foreign revenue comes from their sales of oil/gas.&lt;/b&gt;
Hillary promoted the Obama energy plan; e.g., restrict/limit/deter US oil/gas production, GUARANTEE USA dependence of foreign oil; limit US production; all of which would benefit Putin/Russia due to less oil/gas available in the international markets.
If you were Putin, who would you want as the President??
* * *
To the first point: very possibly Steele never expected to be outed as the source of the smears of Trump, and certainly never expected to have to actually produce his &quot;evidence&quot; in court.  Very similar to the Mueller ops&#039; splashy indictment of the Russian oligarchs they charged with nefarious deeds - their claims of solid evidence lasted only until one of the Russian companies actually elected to show up in court.

To the second point: that was so obvious &lt;em&gt;from the beginning&lt;/em&gt; that I am still SMH over the fact that so many people (media fueled, of course) ever took the charges seriously.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JohnTyler on April 24, 2020 at 5:13 pm said:<br />
Of course, the other possibility is that Steele just made up, out of thin air, much of his work of fiction; that there were NO sources, NONE whatsoever, that comprised his work of fiction.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Think about it; one of Trump’s main campaign points was energy independence for the USA; drill, drill, drill, frack frack frack. Which, of course , increases the supply of world oil/gas, which obviously depresses world oil/gas prices, <b>which REALLY hurts the Russians/Putin because OVER 50% of Russian foreign revenue comes from their sales of oil/gas.</b><br />
Hillary promoted the Obama energy plan; e.g., restrict/limit/deter US oil/gas production, GUARANTEE USA dependence of foreign oil; limit US production; all of which would benefit Putin/Russia due to less oil/gas available in the international markets.<br />
If you were Putin, who would you want as the President??<br />
* * *<br />
To the first point: very possibly Steele never expected to be outed as the source of the smears of Trump, and certainly never expected to have to actually produce his &#8220;evidence&#8221; in court.  Very similar to the Mueller ops&#8217; splashy indictment of the Russian oligarchs they charged with nefarious deeds &#8211; their claims of solid evidence lasted only until one of the Russian companies actually elected to show up in court.</p>
<p>To the second point: that was so obvious <em>from the beginning</em> that I am still SMH over the fact that so many people (media fueled, of course) ever took the charges seriously.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 20:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related:
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/leak_of_sealed_evidence_in_the_michael_flynn_case_points_to_a_highranking_deep_state_operative_as_a_key_to_the_russia_hoax_conspiracy_at_doj_and_fbi_.html
H/T Powerline blog.

Indeed, those history buffs extraordinaire, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Lynch, Rice (she of writing-&quot;exculpatory&quot;-emails-to-self fame), et al.---the whole slough of self-important clowns in that merrye crew--- decided to go back in time, to fin-de-(19me)siècle France, and re-enact (restage? plagiarize?) almost to the letter the country-polarizing---almost country-destroying---Dreyfus case. 

And so, according to the sordid, regurgitated script, Trump HAD to be accused of selling out his country; Flynn HAD to be accused of betrayal; and the whole Trump team, and anyone associated with him---even if they were, as in Carter Page&#039;s case, CIA---HAD to be elaborately FRAMED by a well-oiled, consummately-planned, if disgusting, Democratic Party operation, from POTUS44 on down (with the MSM riding enthusiastic shotgun).

(So should we call these paragons &quot;the FRAMERS&quot;? ...)

Well, no. 

Let&#039;s call them the Anti-Trumpusards (perhaps updated, in certain cases at least, to &quot;Never-Trumpusards&quot;....)

Who to protect themselves (BUT FOR THE HIGHEST OF MOTIVES!!), decided to tear apart the nation, shred its laws, trample its Constitution, vandalize its institutions, pit citizen against citizen and family member against family member, and destroy every vestige of reliability in Government and the Fourth Estate, in what MUST ultimately be considered as THE MOST MALEVALENT, PERNICIOUS, PSYCHOTIC and CRIMINAL POLITICAL SCANDAL in American history.

And they were relentless, indominatable. Dreyfus---as was the case with TRUMP---never had a chance. HAD TO BE found guilty. The evidence, after all, WAS CLEAR. (That is, before it was proven to be entirely forged.)

Meanwhile (back in the 21st Century), against the Anti-Trumpusards were arrayed &quot;the Trumpusards&quot;---crying &quot;J&#039;ACCUSE!&quot; against the foul lies and perverse claims of the loathsome Democratic machine and its MSM henchmen, lies repeated and embellished ad infinitum and ad nauseum---heroic patriots, upright individuals, people of true moral values and steadfast resolution, starting with Devin Nunes, Lee Smith, Andrew McCarthy, Mollie Z. Hemingway Alan Dershowitz, and other stalwart writers and journalists (my apologies for not listing all these heroes) ; and including indefatigable bloggers---such as our gracious host---all trying to make sense of the gob-smacking, mindboggling, simply unbelievable, inconceivable, unimaginable coup d&#039;état engineered and orchestrated by &quot;our political betters&quot; of the Obama administration and its media stooges.

As in the original version, Dreyfus 2.0 is very simply a battle of good vs. evil for a nation&#039;s soul and very existence, where although evil initially triumphed it could not---CANNOT---ultimately sustain itself against what started out as a tiny flame of decency but which became---which has become---a bright beacon of Truth, Liberty, Decency and Uprightness...

…and, ultimately---one hopes---JUSTICE.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related:<br />
<a href="https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/leak_of_sealed_evidence_in_the_michael_flynn_case_points_to_a_highranking_deep_state_operative_as_a_key_to_the_russia_hoax_conspiracy_at_doj_and_fbi_.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/leak_of_sealed_evidence_in_the_michael_flynn_case_points_to_a_highranking_deep_state_operative_as_a_key_to_the_russia_hoax_conspiracy_at_doj_and_fbi_.html</a><br />
H/T Powerline blog.</p>
<p>Indeed, those history buffs extraordinaire, Hillary Clinton, Obama, Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Lynch, Rice (she of writing-&#8220;exculpatory&#8221;-emails-to-self fame), et al.&#8212;the whole slough of self-important clowns in that merrye crew&#8212; decided to go back in time, to fin-de-(19me)siècle France, and re-enact (restage? plagiarize?) almost to the letter the country-polarizing&#8212;almost country-destroying&#8212;Dreyfus case. </p>
<p>And so, according to the sordid, regurgitated script, Trump HAD to be accused of selling out his country; Flynn HAD to be accused of betrayal; and the whole Trump team, and anyone associated with him&#8212;even if they were, as in Carter Page&#8217;s case, CIA&#8212;HAD to be elaborately FRAMED by a well-oiled, consummately-planned, if disgusting, Democratic Party operation, from POTUS44 on down (with the MSM riding enthusiastic shotgun).</p>
<p>(So should we call these paragons &#8220;the FRAMERS&#8221;? &#8230;)</p>
<p>Well, no. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s call them the Anti-Trumpusards (perhaps updated, in certain cases at least, to &#8220;Never-Trumpusards&#8221;&#8230;.)</p>
<p>Who to protect themselves (BUT FOR THE HIGHEST OF MOTIVES!!), decided to tear apart the nation, shred its laws, trample its Constitution, vandalize its institutions, pit citizen against citizen and family member against family member, and destroy every vestige of reliability in Government and the Fourth Estate, in what MUST ultimately be considered as THE MOST MALEVALENT, PERNICIOUS, PSYCHOTIC and CRIMINAL POLITICAL SCANDAL in American history.</p>
<p>And they were relentless, indominatable. Dreyfus&#8212;as was the case with TRUMP&#8212;never had a chance. HAD TO BE found guilty. The evidence, after all, WAS CLEAR. (That is, before it was proven to be entirely forged.)</p>
<p>Meanwhile (back in the 21st Century), against the Anti-Trumpusards were arrayed &#8220;the Trumpusards&#8221;&#8212;crying &#8220;J&#8217;ACCUSE!&#8221; against the foul lies and perverse claims of the loathsome Democratic machine and its MSM henchmen, lies repeated and embellished ad infinitum and ad nauseum&#8212;heroic patriots, upright individuals, people of true moral values and steadfast resolution, starting with Devin Nunes, Lee Smith, Andrew McCarthy, Mollie Z. Hemingway Alan Dershowitz, and other stalwart writers and journalists (my apologies for not listing all these heroes) ; and including indefatigable bloggers&#8212;such as our gracious host&#8212;all trying to make sense of the gob-smacking, mindboggling, simply unbelievable, inconceivable, unimaginable coup d&#8217;état engineered and orchestrated by &#8220;our political betters&#8221; of the Obama administration and its media stooges.</p>
<p>As in the original version, Dreyfus 2.0 is very simply a battle of good vs. evil for a nation&#8217;s soul and very existence, where although evil initially triumphed it could not&#8212;CANNOT&#8212;ultimately sustain itself against what started out as a tiny flame of decency but which became&#8212;which has become&#8212;a bright beacon of Truth, Liberty, Decency and Uprightness&#8230;</p>
<p>…and, ultimately&#8212;one hopes&#8212;JUSTICE.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 15:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Attorneys for retired Gen. Michael Flynn asked a judge Friday to dismiss his criminal conviction immediately, saying new evidence belatedly turned over by federal prosecutors proves the former national security adviser to President Trump was framed in the Russia investigation. “This afternoon, the government produced to Mr. Flynn stunning Brady evidence that proves Mr. Flynn’s allegations of having been deliberately set up and framed by corrupt agents at the top of the FBI,” Flynn’s attorneys said in an eight page filing Brady evidence is pretrial information that could exonerate a defendant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attorneys for retired Gen. Michael Flynn asked a judge Friday to dismiss his criminal conviction immediately, saying new evidence belatedly turned over by federal prosecutors proves the former national security adviser to President Trump was framed in the Russia investigation. “This afternoon, the government produced to Mr. Flynn stunning Brady evidence that proves Mr. Flynn’s allegations of having been deliberately set up and framed by corrupt agents at the top of the FBI,” Flynn’s attorneys said in an eight page filing Brady evidence is pretrial information that could exonerate a defendant.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 14:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think you mean Bleach Bitted...
https://www.bleachbit.org/

but that actually would not matter... 
it only matters AFTER the worst was done

People from china and russia and others were already reading the server as an open book given their expertise, resources and the lack of that on the other side

the point of bleachbit was to make sure no one knew how bad the set up was and whether or not they were in there downloading everything... not really any other point as we knew by other means that such things were there.. 

in fact, the way she did it was quite clever in transferring state secrets without a way to directly blame her for it... there was no dead drop... it was like &quot;accidentally&quot; leaving stuff out on the desk for the secretary spy to take pictures of... how would you prove accidentally on purpose?  Technically they dont, they just make it a crime to leave it out regardless of reason, which they are refusing to apply

for her the point was how to create a means of moving state secrets 
the other side was how to get paid or get the quid pro quo
and that had to do with the non profit organization and stooges with high salaries who then would take a portion and donate that to the right thing.. 

again.. its a system.. on one side you put information in a place where others can take it... you pretend you dont know better and play loose with that area of rules (the kind of thing analysts come up with).. 

on the other side you create a body that takes in 10 million... and then you over pay the people, who then donate large sums of what is now laundered money to the areas that has to go.. so rather than they get paid 60,000 they get paid 300,000... they keep 100k which is 40 more than they would.. taxes take another third, cleaning the payments.. and 100k is taken and donated, which is upping the 40 more through deductions taking part of the 300k back. 
[what is not paid in salary in that org is then given to another organization as a donation, and the process repeats till the cash is disbursed]

Aint it beautiful? 
but americans are too good to think that way about people they want to trust
they are not paranoid enough to analyse things and not give benefit of doubt

when you hear of 419 scam... its cause they are too nice and trusting
when you hear of people cleaning out someones bank account after being hired, same thing
when you hear someone refusing to prosecute what is obvious malfeasance cause they refuse to answer knave and live in that kind of world, same thing

America will fall because of this.. 
the kids are too trusting, like feminists, of people using them and are not willing to break free by admitting they are being used to hurt their own, ruin their dreams, and destroy the future (while being told they are the future, they are the smartest etc... really? the smart make up more than 65% of the bell curve? on what planet? in what reality is the rare common?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you mean Bleach Bitted&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.bleachbit.org/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bleachbit.org/</a></p>
<p>but that actually would not matter&#8230;<br />
it only matters AFTER the worst was done</p>
<p>People from china and russia and others were already reading the server as an open book given their expertise, resources and the lack of that on the other side</p>
<p>the point of bleachbit was to make sure no one knew how bad the set up was and whether or not they were in there downloading everything&#8230; not really any other point as we knew by other means that such things were there.. </p>
<p>in fact, the way she did it was quite clever in transferring state secrets without a way to directly blame her for it&#8230; there was no dead drop&#8230; it was like &#8220;accidentally&#8221; leaving stuff out on the desk for the secretary spy to take pictures of&#8230; how would you prove accidentally on purpose?  Technically they dont, they just make it a crime to leave it out regardless of reason, which they are refusing to apply</p>
<p>for her the point was how to create a means of moving state secrets<br />
the other side was how to get paid or get the quid pro quo<br />
and that had to do with the non profit organization and stooges with high salaries who then would take a portion and donate that to the right thing.. </p>
<p>again.. its a system.. on one side you put information in a place where others can take it&#8230; you pretend you dont know better and play loose with that area of rules (the kind of thing analysts come up with).. </p>
<p>on the other side you create a body that takes in 10 million&#8230; and then you over pay the people, who then donate large sums of what is now laundered money to the areas that has to go.. so rather than they get paid 60,000 they get paid 300,000&#8230; they keep 100k which is 40 more than they would.. taxes take another third, cleaning the payments.. and 100k is taken and donated, which is upping the 40 more through deductions taking part of the 300k back.<br />
[what is not paid in salary in that org is then given to another organization as a donation, and the process repeats till the cash is disbursed]</p>
<p>Aint it beautiful?<br />
but americans are too good to think that way about people they want to trust<br />
they are not paranoid enough to analyse things and not give benefit of doubt</p>
<p>when you hear of 419 scam&#8230; its cause they are too nice and trusting<br />
when you hear of people cleaning out someones bank account after being hired, same thing<br />
when you hear someone refusing to prosecute what is obvious malfeasance cause they refuse to answer knave and live in that kind of world, same thing</p>
<p>America will fall because of this..<br />
the kids are too trusting, like feminists, of people using them and are not willing to break free by admitting they are being used to hurt their own, ruin their dreams, and destroy the future (while being told they are the future, they are the smartest etc&#8230; really? the smart make up more than 65% of the bell curve? on what planet? in what reality is the rare common?)</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 14:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This statement reminds me of what Dr. Theodore Dalrymple wrote about the prisoners, and the killers he dealt with in prison, and how they would slide away from guilt, deflect blame for the actions that they had taken, by saying things like “the knife went in,” i.e. it was the knife that was responsible, rather than them, and their actions in carrying that knife, selecting the victim, and wielding that inanimate object to kill.* 

It was always someone else&#039;s fault.

See  https://www.city-journal.org/html/%E2%80%9C-knife-went-in%E2%80%9D-12530.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This statement reminds me of what Dr. Theodore Dalrymple wrote about the prisoners, and the killers he dealt with in prison, and how they would slide away from guilt, deflect blame for the actions that they had taken, by saying things like “the knife went in,” i.e. it was the knife that was responsible, rather than them, and their actions in carrying that knife, selecting the victim, and wielding that inanimate object to kill.* </p>
<p>It was always someone else&#8217;s fault.</p>
<p>See  <a href="https://www.city-journal.org/html/%E2%80%9C-knife-went-in%E2%80%9D-12530.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.city-journal.org/html/%E2%80%9C-knife-went-in%E2%80%9D-12530.html</a></p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Fortunately, no Russian prostitutes were physically harmed by Mr. Steele, in the creation of this illegal farce.

Perhaps Stalin had a point: charges, trial, verdict, 2 to the back of the head.

There be monsters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fortunately, no Russian prostitutes were physically harmed by Mr. Steele, in the creation of this illegal farce.</p>
<p>Perhaps Stalin had a point: charges, trial, verdict, 2 to the back of the head.</p>
<p>There be monsters.</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 06:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They were all stored on Hildabeast&#039;s server that was bleachpitted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were all stored on Hildabeast&#8217;s server that was bleachpitted.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 04:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill Whittle&#039;s erstwhile website, Eject! Eject! Eject! hasn&#039;t existed for 12 years...

It&#039;s still out there, somehow.

http://web.archive.org/web/20070213112642/http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html

But not, somehow, a copy of critically important information designed to affect the future of the US Presidency... nawww, that... that&#039;s &quot;Jus&#039; Gon&#039;, man!!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill Whittle&#8217;s erstwhile website, Eject! Eject! Eject! hasn&#8217;t existed for 12 years&#8230;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still out there, somehow.</p>
<p><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070213112642/http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://web.archive.org/web/20070213112642/http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html</a></p>
<p>But not, somehow, a copy of critically important information designed to affect the future of the US Presidency&#8230; nawww, that&#8230; that&#8217;s &#8220;Jus&#8217; Gon&#8217;, man!!&#8221;</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 03:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;It is also unclear whether Steele got rid of the information himself, or if it was lost through other means…&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Or never existed in the first place, being total fabrications...?&lt;/b&gt;

Nawwww... Cain&#039;t be...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>It is also unclear whether Steele got rid of the information himself, or if it was lost through other means…</i></p>
<p><b>Or never existed in the first place, being total fabrications&#8230;?</b></p>
<p>Nawwww&#8230; Cain&#8217;t be&#8230;</p>
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		By: RigelDog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RigelDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 03:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes it is super-creepy how Steele just...floats...the fact that all these records no longer exist. Numerous records made in various forms at different times are just no longer on this earthly plane. Nothing to see here. And then how frustrating that the attorney who had the power at that point to compel more information never even asks him the obvious questions of how and why these records ceased to be.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it is super-creepy how Steele just&#8230;floats&#8230;the fact that all these records no longer exist. Numerous records made in various forms at different times are just no longer on this earthly plane. Nothing to see here. And then how frustrating that the attorney who had the power at that point to compel more information never even asks him the obvious questions of how and why these records ceased to be.</p>
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