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		By: Eva Marie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2020 03:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That was a great Quora essay.]]></description>
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		By: Eva Marie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/24/another-makeover-3/#comment-2491859</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I would like to see a before and after feature on Nancy Pelosi, she of the sky high eyebrows. She seems to have used this time of self isolation to get her face redone. Botox injections, cheek implants, laser peels, etc. - all of which has left her facial and neck skin very tight and very shiny. She turned 80 in March and she certainly looks interesting for her age.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to see a before and after feature on Nancy Pelosi, she of the sky high eyebrows. She seems to have used this time of self isolation to get her face redone. Botox injections, cheek implants, laser peels, etc. &#8211; all of which has left her facial and neck skin very tight and very shiny. She turned 80 in March and she certainly looks interesting for her age.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/24/another-makeover-3/#comment-2491680</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2020 05:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As for makeovers: I would like to see the artist put the same make-up on the person BEFORE changing the hair-style, and also show the bare face with the new style, to separate what each factor contributes to the final result.

Based on personal observation of the best-groomed women of my acquaintance, it takes a conscious effort not to &quot;let it all hang out&quot; -- whatever type of hair style and face-paint they choose, once they get something that &quot;works,&quot; they keep it up.

My mileage, which may vary from some, is that most of the women getting the make-overs will neither maintain the make-up regimen rigorously, nor keep their hair as styled; if they had that much discipline, they would not be in the condition they were in to start with. 
(Think of weight-loss miracles and hoarder interventions; they often end up right back where they started if there is not substantial behavioral training along with the TV program -- and there is not.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for makeovers: I would like to see the artist put the same make-up on the person BEFORE changing the hair-style, and also show the bare face with the new style, to separate what each factor contributes to the final result.</p>
<p>Based on personal observation of the best-groomed women of my acquaintance, it takes a conscious effort not to &#8220;let it all hang out&#8221; &#8212; whatever type of hair style and face-paint they choose, once they get something that &#8220;works,&#8221; they keep it up.</p>
<p>My mileage, which may vary from some, is that most of the women getting the make-overs will neither maintain the make-up regimen rigorously, nor keep their hair as styled; if they had that much discipline, they would not be in the condition they were in to start with.<br />
(Think of weight-loss miracles and hoarder interventions; they often end up right back where they started if there is not substantial behavioral training along with the TV program &#8212; and there is not.)</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/24/another-makeover-3/#comment-2491677</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2020 04:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eva Marie on April 25, 2020 at 3:20 pm said:
...He never made women beautiful. His job was to make women ordinary. Women (and men) came to him because they wanted to look like everyone else. 
* * *
That reminded me of something I read in the past, which was probably NOT this Quora post, but it carries the gist of the information. The picture gallery is particularly interesting, as it shows there are objective reasons why we recognize certain facial types as being typical of one country rather than another, even on the same continent.

https://www.quora.com/What-would-people-define-as-beauty-average-and-below-average?share=1
&lt;blockquote&gt; So yeah, that is the definition of average beauty, and what constitutes below average. &lt;b&gt;Take the mean of all people in a given culture and average out their features against one another, and that is your baseline standard for what’s beautiful. Deviation from such will be typically viewed as below average.&lt;/b&gt;

This is also why you will tend to see many actors and actresses who look fairly similar in appearance to one another, body types being significantly overrepresented in various forms of media like movies, video games and so on. &lt;b&gt;Even if it’s very rare to actually have the “average” features, they’re still consistently considered to be attractive, &lt;/b&gt;and if you’re going to deviate from such when drawing a picture or creating a 3D model, you’re going to typically maintain those ratios described a few moments ago.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eva Marie on April 25, 2020 at 3:20 pm said:<br />
&#8230;He never made women beautiful. His job was to make women ordinary. Women (and men) came to him because they wanted to look like everyone else.<br />
* * *<br />
That reminded me of something I read in the past, which was probably NOT this Quora post, but it carries the gist of the information. The picture gallery is particularly interesting, as it shows there are objective reasons why we recognize certain facial types as being typical of one country rather than another, even on the same continent.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.quora.com/What-would-people-define-as-beauty-average-and-below-average?share=1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.quora.com/What-would-people-define-as-beauty-average-and-below-average?share=1</a></p>
<blockquote><p> So yeah, that is the definition of average beauty, and what constitutes below average. <b>Take the mean of all people in a given culture and average out their features against one another, and that is your baseline standard for what’s beautiful. Deviation from such will be typically viewed as below average.</b></p>
<p>This is also why you will tend to see many actors and actresses who look fairly similar in appearance to one another, body types being significantly overrepresented in various forms of media like movies, video games and so on. <b>Even if it’s very rare to actually have the “average” features, they’re still consistently considered to be attractive, </b>and if you’re going to deviate from such when drawing a picture or creating a 3D model, you’re going to typically maintain those ratios described a few moments ago.
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		By: Esther		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/24/another-makeover-3/#comment-2491581</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate, agreed, but I relented on Facebook because it is a great resource for being able to keep up with what’s happening in my town.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate, agreed, but I relented on Facebook because it is a great resource for being able to keep up with what’s happening in my town.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/24/another-makeover-3/#comment-2491579</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 21:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;You are entirely mistaken.&quot;

Don&#039;t sweat it, Kate, I&#039;m sure AD will graciously acknowledge his error /]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You are entirely mistaken.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t sweat it, Kate, I&#8217;m sure AD will graciously acknowledge his error /</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/24/another-makeover-3/#comment-2491564</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 20:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Om:  If Art Deco says so, obviously I am hallucinating, or living in an alternate universe where Ohio looks like North Carolina.

Esther:  I am glad I don&#039;t do Facebook, so I don&#039;t have to see those ads.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Om:  If Art Deco says so, obviously I am hallucinating, or living in an alternate universe where Ohio looks like North Carolina.</p>
<p>Esther:  I am glad I don&#8217;t do Facebook, so I don&#8217;t have to see those ads.</p>
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		By: Eva Marie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/24/another-makeover-3/#comment-2491560</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 19:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A lot of the comments here made me remember an interview I read about 50 years ago with a preeminent Brazilian plastic surgeon who also considered himself an authority on beauty - having an extensive art collection. He was asked if it was rewarding to make women beautiful. Emphatically no, he said. He never made women beautiful. His job was to make women ordinary. Women (and men) came to him because they wanted to look like everyone else. If they thought that their nose, chin, ears diverged from the norm - that’s what they wanted changed. Sad really. An interesting site to look at is Advanced Style. People over 50, mostly women photographed (originally) on the streets of NY - later all over the world. Quite a meditation on style and beauty.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of the comments here made me remember an interview I read about 50 years ago with a preeminent Brazilian plastic surgeon who also considered himself an authority on beauty &#8211; having an extensive art collection. He was asked if it was rewarding to make women beautiful. Emphatically no, he said. He never made women beautiful. His job was to make women ordinary. Women (and men) came to him because they wanted to look like everyone else. If they thought that their nose, chin, ears diverged from the norm &#8211; that’s what they wanted changed. Sad really. An interesting site to look at is Advanced Style. People over 50, mostly women photographed (originally) on the streets of NY &#8211; later all over the world. Quite a meditation on style and beauty.</p>
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		By: Yawrate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/24/another-makeover-3/#comment-2491559</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yawrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 19:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To properly evaluate the haircut we need a version of this where someone similar to this woman gets her hair styled in a longer fashion.

Much of the improvement is due just to the makeup. But I don&#039;t like the way the haircut now emphasizes the shape of her jaw line and neck.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To properly evaluate the haircut we need a version of this where someone similar to this woman gets her hair styled in a longer fashion.</p>
<p>Much of the improvement is due just to the makeup. But I don&#8217;t like the way the haircut now emphasizes the shape of her jaw line and neck.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/24/another-makeover-3/#comment-2491558</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2020 18:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These makeover posts seem to bring out the Captain Obvious in folks who know alot*  about women, their beauty, makeup, character without actually being a woman or even trans?  Preferences become wisdom, not just rando opinions somehow.  :)

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-alot]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These makeover posts seem to bring out the Captain Obvious in folks who know alot*  about women, their beauty, makeup, character without actually being a woman or even trans?  Preferences become wisdom, not just rando opinions somehow.  🙂</p>
<p><a href="https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-alot" rel="nofollow ugc">https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-alot</a></p>
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