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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember a high school Sci-Fi creative writing contest in LA.  I got an honorable mention for my cycle story, by judges who noted, correctly, that I liked Asimov.  The actress playing Star Trek&#039;s Uhura, Nichelle Nichols, presented me a cool computer generated map as a prize.

Some other writer made an interesting character who&#039;s name was translated as:
As a color, shade of purple.  
A memorable ...  As a mauve kind of punny.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember a high school Sci-Fi creative writing contest in LA.  I got an honorable mention for my cycle story, by judges who noted, correctly, that I liked Asimov.  The actress playing Star Trek&#8217;s Uhura, Nichelle Nichols, presented me a cool computer generated map as a prize.</p>
<p>Some other writer made an interesting character who&#8217;s name was translated as:<br />
As a color, shade of purple.<br />
A memorable &#8230;  As a mauve kind of punny.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 21:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus &#038; physicsguy

“If it squirms, it&#039;s biology. If it stinks, it&#039;s chemistry. If it doesn&#039;t work, it&#039;s physics. And if you can&#039;t understand it, it&#039;s mathematics.” ? Magnus Pyke

All I know about science I learned on the internet (applied math aka stats, computer programming, and political science degrees here).

You might enjoy this Asimov story, which combines Biblical and Scientific viewpoints.

https://bigbible.org/sansblogue/ot/pentateuch/genesis/creation-just-six-days-asimov-explains/

Asimov’s “How it happened”
https://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Asimov.pdf]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus &amp; physicsguy</p>
<p>“If it squirms, it&#8217;s biology. If it stinks, it&#8217;s chemistry. If it doesn&#8217;t work, it&#8217;s physics. And if you can&#8217;t understand it, it&#8217;s mathematics.” ? Magnus Pyke</p>
<p>All I know about science I learned on the internet (applied math aka stats, computer programming, and political science degrees here).</p>
<p>You might enjoy this Asimov story, which combines Biblical and Scientific viewpoints.</p>
<p><a href="https://bigbible.org/sansblogue/ot/pentateuch/genesis/creation-just-six-days-asimov-explains/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://bigbible.org/sansblogue/ot/pentateuch/genesis/creation-just-six-days-asimov-explains/</a></p>
<p>Asimov’s “How it happened”<br />
<a href="https://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Asimov.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://bigbible.org/sansblogue/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Asimov.pdf</a></p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 16:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; but I often wonder if Physics is a subset of Chemistry, or vice versa ? .&quot;

Well, it took physicists finding QM to finally help the chemists understand what they were finding.  They made the periodic table but until QM there was not real understanding of what it meant.  So, I would say the hierarchy of physics as the basis for chemistry, and chemistry the basis for biology holds.  I give credit to chemists and also biologists for making sense out of some extremely complex systems.  I prefer to stick with the much simpler physics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; but I often wonder if Physics is a subset of Chemistry, or vice versa ? .&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, it took physicists finding QM to finally help the chemists understand what they were finding.  They made the periodic table but until QM there was not real understanding of what it meant.  So, I would say the hierarchy of physics as the basis for chemistry, and chemistry the basis for biology holds.  I give credit to chemists and also biologists for making sense out of some extremely complex systems.  I prefer to stick with the much simpler physics.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-transmission-chinese-study-shows-covid-more-likely-spread-indoors/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&#038;utm_medium=homepage&#038;utm_campaign=river&#038;utm_content=featured-content-trending&#038;utm_term=first&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I found this article on covid-19 transmission over at National Review.&lt;/a&gt;  Well, it is a pre-review Chinese research publication, but it might ease one&#039;s mind while enjoying the outdoors.

&lt;blockquote&gt;
As the researchers note, the fact that most coronavirus clusters and outbreaks occurred indoors is not particularly surprising given the Chinese government’s enactment of stay-at-home orders. But while the study “does not rule out outdoor transmission of the virus, &lt;b&gt;”it notes that “among our 7,324 identified cases in China with sufficient descriptions, only one outdoor outbreak [transmission] involving two cases [infections] occurred.”&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-transmission-chinese-study-shows-covid-more-likely-spread-indoors/?utm_source=recirc-desktop&amp;utm_medium=homepage&amp;utm_campaign=river&amp;utm_content=featured-content-trending&amp;utm_term=first" rel="nofollow">I found this article on covid-19 transmission over at National Review.</a>  Well, it is a pre-review Chinese research publication, but it might ease one&#8217;s mind while enjoying the outdoors.</p>
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As the researchers note, the fact that most coronavirus clusters and outbreaks occurred indoors is not particularly surprising given the Chinese government’s enactment of stay-at-home orders. But while the study “does not rule out outdoor transmission of the virus, <b>”it notes that “among our 7,324 identified cases in China with sufficient descriptions, only one outdoor outbreak [transmission] involving two cases [infections] occurred.”</b></p></blockquote>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[physicsguy,

I believe Asimov was a Chemist by training, but I often wonder if Physics is a subset of Chemistry, or vice versa :-) .

I just checked on Amazon. You can buy new and used copies of the book. I think it is also sold separately (Old and New Testament), but I&#039;m not sure if the individual copies are still available. You probably know Asimov wrote over 500 books in his lifetime. It&#039;s an inconceivable sum. I&#039;ve read a few of them. His &quot;Understanding Physics&quot; (a compilation of three separate volumes) is one of my favorites, although you would likely be a much harsher critic than I. I&#039;ve bought copies for several musician friends who were struggling with understanding the nature of sound. His explanation on that topic is the best I&#039;ve encountered for a laymen&#039;s understanding.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>physicsguy,</p>
<p>I believe Asimov was a Chemist by training, but I often wonder if Physics is a subset of Chemistry, or vice versa 🙂 .</p>
<p>I just checked on Amazon. You can buy new and used copies of the book. I think it is also sold separately (Old and New Testament), but I&#8217;m not sure if the individual copies are still available. You probably know Asimov wrote over 500 books in his lifetime. It&#8217;s an inconceivable sum. I&#8217;ve read a few of them. His &#8220;Understanding Physics&#8221; (a compilation of three separate volumes) is one of my favorites, although you would likely be a much harsher critic than I. I&#8217;ve bought copies for several musician friends who were struggling with understanding the nature of sound. His explanation on that topic is the best I&#8217;ve encountered for a laymen&#8217;s understanding.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 15:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks Neo,
If I had remembered that you had written a post on the aspirin issue I could have searched for it myself.  Sorry.  It was a very good post.  I didn&#039;t realize until recently that aspirin is an NSAID pain reliever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Neo,<br />
If I had remembered that you had written a post on the aspirin issue I could have searched for it myself.  Sorry.  It was a very good post.  I didn&#8217;t realize until recently that aspirin is an NSAID pain reliever.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[physicsguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 12:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Morning update:  More interesting changes.  For the second day in a row &quot;serious&quot; cases showed a decrease from the day before. Over the past two weeks there has been two times serious cases showed some sign of flattening, but we have never seen two days of actual decrease.  The &quot;active minus assumed recoveries&quot; peaked 3 days ago.  This morning I was able to fit that data with a Gaussian function.  It has a standard deviation, or less precise, &quot;full width at half maximum&quot; of 12 days.  Which means, if that analysis is correct, we should see a definite decline in about a week.  If the serious cases continue to decrease that would support that we are definitely on the downside and the Gaussian is now the proper fit.  Again, looking for consistency across various pieces of information, this is all in line with the Israeli paper Neo has referenced, and also the data Willis has posted on WUWT.  Cautiously optimistic.

Rufus: I had never heard of the Asimov book.  I&#039;ll have to get it.  Someone once said that inside every physicist is a philosopher, and I have been indulging that aspect since retirement.  For exactly the same reasons you listed, I wanted to delve into the Bible a bit more, and the Asimov book looks like the way to go.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Morning update:  More interesting changes.  For the second day in a row &#8220;serious&#8221; cases showed a decrease from the day before. Over the past two weeks there has been two times serious cases showed some sign of flattening, but we have never seen two days of actual decrease.  The &#8220;active minus assumed recoveries&#8221; peaked 3 days ago.  This morning I was able to fit that data with a Gaussian function.  It has a standard deviation, or less precise, &#8220;full width at half maximum&#8221; of 12 days.  Which means, if that analysis is correct, we should see a definite decline in about a week.  If the serious cases continue to decrease that would support that we are definitely on the downside and the Gaussian is now the proper fit.  Again, looking for consistency across various pieces of information, this is all in line with the Israeli paper Neo has referenced, and also the data Willis has posted on WUWT.  Cautiously optimistic.</p>
<p>Rufus: I had never heard of the Asimov book.  I&#8217;ll have to get it.  Someone once said that inside every physicist is a philosopher, and I have been indulging that aspect since retirement.  For exactly the same reasons you listed, I wanted to delve into the Bible a bit more, and the Asimov book looks like the way to go.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,

Since the Bible figures so prominently in so much of Western literature and art I tried several times to get through it so I could understand all the references to it that I encountered in so many other works. (I did the same thing with Greek and Roman mythology for the same reason.)

One of my favorite resources for understanding the Bible is Isaac Asimov&#039;s Guide to the Old and New Testament. It&#039;s a staggeringly huge work and, since Asimov is a secular Jew who was a non-believer at the time of its writing, he approaches it with little bias. The Bible seems to be a work few people can discuss objectively. He spends a lot of time on regional history and politics, geography... He even references what other extant histories state about the same time periods and addresses potential translation errors. It&#039;s a heckuva work!

Somewhere after Deuteronomy things started blurring together for me and by the time I got to the New Testament I came up with a shorthand to remember the final 2/3 of the Old Testament:

Israelites: &quot;G*d, things are really rough down here. Can you send us a King to lead us, rather than these Levite priests?&quot;
G*d: &quot;You think that&#039;s what you want, but you really don&#039;t want that...&quot;
Israelites: &quot;But we do. We really, really want a King to tell us what to do.&quot;
G*d: &quot;O.K., Don&#039;t say I didn&#039;t warn you...&quot;
Rinse, repeat.

My wife and I watched the &quot;Ten Commandments&quot; last week. She had never seen it. When Moses was on Ararat and Dathan started convincing the Israelites to abandon him she said, &quot;You mean they just saw the Red Sea being parted and they are going to go back to worshipping a golden calf?!&quot;

Human beings are wacky.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,</p>
<p>Since the Bible figures so prominently in so much of Western literature and art I tried several times to get through it so I could understand all the references to it that I encountered in so many other works. (I did the same thing with Greek and Roman mythology for the same reason.)</p>
<p>One of my favorite resources for understanding the Bible is Isaac Asimov&#8217;s Guide to the Old and New Testament. It&#8217;s a staggeringly huge work and, since Asimov is a secular Jew who was a non-believer at the time of its writing, he approaches it with little bias. The Bible seems to be a work few people can discuss objectively. He spends a lot of time on regional history and politics, geography&#8230; He even references what other extant histories state about the same time periods and addresses potential translation errors. It&#8217;s a heckuva work!</p>
<p>Somewhere after Deuteronomy things started blurring together for me and by the time I got to the New Testament I came up with a shorthand to remember the final 2/3 of the Old Testament:</p>
<p>Israelites: &#8220;G*d, things are really rough down here. Can you send us a King to lead us, rather than these Levite priests?&#8221;<br />
G*d: &#8220;You think that&#8217;s what you want, but you really don&#8217;t want that&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Israelites: &#8220;But we do. We really, really want a King to tell us what to do.&#8221;<br />
G*d: &#8220;O.K., Don&#8217;t say I didn&#8217;t warn you&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Rinse, repeat.</p>
<p>My wife and I watched the &#8220;Ten Commandments&#8221; last week. She had never seen it. When Moses was on Ararat and Dathan started convincing the Israelites to abandon him she said, &#8220;You mean they just saw the Red Sea being parted and they are going to go back to worshipping a golden calf?!&#8221;</p>
<p>Human beings are wacky.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brendan O&#039;Neill of &quot;Spiked&quot; magazine has an interesting podcast. It&#039;s a great resource for information on Brexit and free speech issues in the U.K. I&#039;m sure you all know Heather MacDonald. She is an extremely brave author and speaker on many contemporary topics. And, I&#039;m pretty sure she, like neo, is a &quot;changer.&quot; I remember reading she grew up liberal in California.

I think many of you will appreciate this recent interview Brendan did with Heather. They discuss political reactions to the Coronavirus outbreak.
https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast/the-brendan-oneill-show/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendan O&#8217;Neill of &#8220;Spiked&#8221; magazine has an interesting podcast. It&#8217;s a great resource for information on Brexit and free speech issues in the U.K. I&#8217;m sure you all know Heather MacDonald. She is an extremely brave author and speaker on many contemporary topics. And, I&#8217;m pretty sure she, like neo, is a &#8220;changer.&#8221; I remember reading she grew up liberal in California.</p>
<p>I think many of you will appreciate this recent interview Brendan did with Heather. They discuss political reactions to the Coronavirus outbreak.<br />
<a href="https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast/the-brendan-oneill-show/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.spiked-online.com/podcast/the-brendan-oneill-show/</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly on April 17, 2020 at 2:37 am said:
Dave,

What neo said. Don’t let hate consume you. It does no harm to your enemies, but plenty of harm to you.

If one could wave a magic wand and remove wrongheaded political ideas from all who currently hold them today, &lt;b&gt;within a generation there would be a whole new population of believers.&lt;/b&gt; It is very seductive to believe absolute power and control can save the world.
* * *
Which is why we still read the  ancient Jewish accounts of their national history- no matter how often the Lord chastised them for erroneous beliefs and behavior, within a generation or two they were back at the starting line again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus T. Firefly on April 17, 2020 at 2:37 am said:<br />
Dave,</p>
<p>What neo said. Don’t let hate consume you. It does no harm to your enemies, but plenty of harm to you.</p>
<p>If one could wave a magic wand and remove wrongheaded political ideas from all who currently hold them today, <b>within a generation there would be a whole new population of believers.</b> It is very seductive to believe absolute power and control can save the world.<br />
* * *<br />
Which is why we still read the  ancient Jewish accounts of their national history- no matter how often the Lord chastised them for erroneous beliefs and behavior, within a generation or two they were back at the starting line again.</p>
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