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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/15/presumed-covid-19-deaths-in-nyc/#comment-2490382</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 07:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Glenn Jacobs, the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee, came up with the first detailed plan I have seen for &quot;re-opening.&quot; You can find a download here:

https://www.wate.com/news/local-news/knox-county-mayor-glenn-jacobs-outlines-6-week-phased-reopening-plan-from-coronavirus-shutdown/

Seems sensible to me. It&#039;s worth a look. I saw that article on Instapundit a few days ago. Re-searching for it just now I came across a news article that some other Tennessee politicians appear to be using it to form a plan that spans several counties.

Hopefully we will see much more of this in the next week.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glenn Jacobs, the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee, came up with the first detailed plan I have seen for &#8220;re-opening.&#8221; You can find a download here:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.wate.com/news/local-news/knox-county-mayor-glenn-jacobs-outlines-6-week-phased-reopening-plan-from-coronavirus-shutdown/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.wate.com/news/local-news/knox-county-mayor-glenn-jacobs-outlines-6-week-phased-reopening-plan-from-coronavirus-shutdown/</a></p>
<p>Seems sensible to me. It&#8217;s worth a look. I saw that article on Instapundit a few days ago. Re-searching for it just now I came across a news article that some other Tennessee politicians appear to be using it to form a plan that spans several counties.</p>
<p>Hopefully we will see much more of this in the next week.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/15/presumed-covid-19-deaths-in-nyc/#comment-2490371</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 04:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tex - it looks like to me that the NY plan is to stay closed and ask the Feds to bail them out, i.e., let Texans and the open states do the work and send the money to the closed states.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tex &#8211; it looks like to me that the NY plan is to stay closed and ask the Feds to bail them out, i.e., let Texans and the open states do the work and send the money to the closed states.</p>
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		By: Texan99		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/15/presumed-covid-19-deaths-in-nyc/#comment-2490352</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2020 01:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The President&#039;s state-based phase re-opening plan will put pressure on politicians not to lie about how severe their problem is.  New York can stay closed forever if it likes, but other states will get back to work and not go broke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The President&#8217;s state-based phase re-opening plan will put pressure on politicians not to lie about how severe their problem is.  New York can stay closed forever if it likes, but other states will get back to work and not go broke.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/15/presumed-covid-19-deaths-in-nyc/#comment-2490303</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

The fact that certain forms of coronavirus can cause colds is not the point. SARS and MERS are also caused by coronaviruses and they are very different from colds.  COVID-19 is compared to flu (a different virus, as I&#039;ve made clear many times) not because of the viral type but because its symptoms and its lethality seem far more similar to influenza (there are different strains of influenza, of course) than to the coronavirus that causes colds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p>The fact that certain forms of coronavirus can cause colds is not the point. SARS and MERS are also caused by coronaviruses and they are very different from colds.  COVID-19 is compared to flu (a different virus, as I&#8217;ve made clear many times) not because of the viral type but because its symptoms and its lethality seem far more similar to influenza (there are different strains of influenza, of course) than to the coronavirus that causes colds.</p>
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		By: Yann		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Artfldgr 

The healthcare system in Spain has been always public, and it actually worked very well. Franco&#039;s dictatorship had a fascist component, and fascism (and I mean the real one, not the cartoon parody) favors public services. It hasn&#039;t been nationalized last years, quite the opposite indeed, it has gone a bit more private.

More than once I&#039;ve heard from some people that private healthcare cripples the system, from other people that public healthcare cripples the system. That&#039;s non-sense. You have both shitty and wonderful public health systems, both private and public ones. The key element is not whether the system is public or private, but whether the society is a civilized and meritocratic one or a shithole, or something in the middle. 

Japan will have a good healthcare no matter it&#039;s public or private, because it&#039;s Japan. Mexico will have a shitty one no matter it&#039;s public or private, because it&#039;s Mexico.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Artfldgr </p>
<p>The healthcare system in Spain has been always public, and it actually worked very well. Franco&#8217;s dictatorship had a fascist component, and fascism (and I mean the real one, not the cartoon parody) favors public services. It hasn&#8217;t been nationalized last years, quite the opposite indeed, it has gone a bit more private.</p>
<p>More than once I&#8217;ve heard from some people that private healthcare cripples the system, from other people that public healthcare cripples the system. That&#8217;s non-sense. You have both shitty and wonderful public health systems, both private and public ones. The key element is not whether the system is public or private, but whether the society is a civilized and meritocratic one or a shithole, or something in the middle. </p>
<p>Japan will have a good healthcare no matter it&#8217;s public or private, because it&#8217;s Japan. Mexico will have a shitty one no matter it&#8217;s public or private, because it&#8217;s Mexico.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/15/presumed-covid-19-deaths-in-nyc/#comment-2490279</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yann: This is the daily mortality in Spain for the last two years. You can notice the increase during winter months, due (mostly) to the flu. The final death toll is the area under the graph.

hard to look to spain as when this started they decided to nationalize their healthcare, and fold the private into the public and so they crippled the system at the time they needed it most as you cant do the folding like a souffle.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yann: This is the daily mortality in Spain for the last two years. You can notice the increase during winter months, due (mostly) to the flu. The final death toll is the area under the graph.</p>
<p>hard to look to spain as when this started they decided to nationalize their healthcare, and fold the private into the public and so they crippled the system at the time they needed it most as you cant do the folding like a souffle.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/15/presumed-covid-19-deaths-in-nyc/#comment-2490277</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2020 14:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Colds too... as corona virus (6 of them) cause cold symptoms.. 
so this comparing to flu is not correct.. 15% of colds are caused by corona virus

They announced that ny is getting better and not..

Trump called out custom again for inflation of the death numbers

Better:
Coronavirus updates: US deaths fall; New York improving (USA Today)
and not:
Death toll soars after NYC counts ‘probable’ fatalities  (AP)

the disparity is about 3700 deaths are in question... many of them were NOT TESTED so could have been flu deaths, or just plain old elderly with pneumonia...  but they get no money for that, do they? 


and

Cuomo Insists He Doesn&#039;t Want a Fight With Trump

given its the times i cant read it, nor can i see their ads.. 
so they must be living on subscriptions as people read the information and get ad revenue with rewrites of the same information... or commenting on the times article reveal the same information.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colds too&#8230; as corona virus (6 of them) cause cold symptoms..<br />
so this comparing to flu is not correct.. 15% of colds are caused by corona virus</p>
<p>They announced that ny is getting better and not..</p>
<p>Trump called out custom again for inflation of the death numbers</p>
<p>Better:<br />
Coronavirus updates: US deaths fall; New York improving (USA Today)<br />
and not:<br />
Death toll soars after NYC counts ‘probable’ fatalities  (AP)</p>
<p>the disparity is about 3700 deaths are in question&#8230; many of them were NOT TESTED so could have been flu deaths, or just plain old elderly with pneumonia&#8230;  but they get no money for that, do they? </p>
<p>and</p>
<p>Cuomo Insists He Doesn&#8217;t Want a Fight With Trump</p>
<p>given its the times i cant read it, nor can i see their ads..<br />
so they must be living on subscriptions as people read the information and get ad revenue with rewrites of the same information&#8230; or commenting on the times article reveal the same information.</p>
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		By: Yann		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/15/presumed-covid-19-deaths-in-nyc/#comment-2490251</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2020 06:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not likely.

The flu is still there, and it&#039;s still as deadly as usual, but it&#039;s not likely to cause a significant number of deaths.

Why? Te coronavirus spreads &lt;b&gt;much faster&lt;/b&gt; than the flu. While the aggregated number of deaths at the end of the season could be similar, the ones caused by the flu will happen during a several months period, while the coronavirus ones will happen in a few weeks. 

The coronavirus is like a flu that concentrated all the cases in a few weeks window. That&#039;s why it&#039;s so hard for the health system, even when the final mortality rate is not that high.

This is the daily mortality in Spain for the last two years. You can notice the increase during winter months, due (mostly) to the flu. The final death toll is the area under the graph.

https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/WWDFm/4/

The coronavirus is a very high and narrow peak. And while the final aggregated death toll (the area under) is likely to be similar to the flu one, on a daily basis &lt;i&gt;and during the coronavirus outbreak&lt;/i&gt;, the number of deaths is gonna be much higher. The flu will still be responsible for some deaths, of course, but only a small percentage of then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not likely.</p>
<p>The flu is still there, and it&#8217;s still as deadly as usual, but it&#8217;s not likely to cause a significant number of deaths.</p>
<p>Why? Te coronavirus spreads <b>much faster</b> than the flu. While the aggregated number of deaths at the end of the season could be similar, the ones caused by the flu will happen during a several months period, while the coronavirus ones will happen in a few weeks. </p>
<p>The coronavirus is like a flu that concentrated all the cases in a few weeks window. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so hard for the health system, even when the final mortality rate is not that high.</p>
<p>This is the daily mortality in Spain for the last two years. You can notice the increase during winter months, due (mostly) to the flu. The final death toll is the area under the graph.</p>
<p><a href="https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/WWDFm/4/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://datawrapper.dwcdn.net/WWDFm/4/</a></p>
<p>The coronavirus is a very high and narrow peak. And while the final aggregated death toll (the area under) is likely to be similar to the flu one, on a daily basis <i>and during the coronavirus outbreak</i>, the number of deaths is gonna be much higher. The flu will still be responsible for some deaths, of course, but only a small percentage of then.</p>
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		By: Cornflour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornflour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2020 04:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:

As an example, I&#039;ve just looked at the CDC FastStats cancer statistics in some detail.  There are lots of numbers, but I don&#039;t see the ones you&#039;d need.  Sorry to have mislead you.

For what it&#039;s worth, the data on diabetes might be more suitable.

Still, quite a bit of research left to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:</p>
<p>As an example, I&#8217;ve just looked at the CDC FastStats cancer statistics in some detail.  There are lots of numbers, but I don&#8217;t see the ones you&#8217;d need.  Sorry to have mislead you.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, the data on diabetes might be more suitable.</p>
<p>Still, quite a bit of research left to do.</p>
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		By: Cornflour		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornflour]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2020 04:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo:

The CDC has an online publication called &quot;FastStats.&quot;  This is like an online handbook that collects statistical information from many other government publications.

Here&#039;s a link
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/default.htm

There&#039;s a section of FastStats entitled &quot;Diseases and Conditions.&quot;  Another is called &quot;Infectious/Immune.&quot;  If you browse those two sections, you&#039;ll see data on various diseases, for the general population.  There are breakdowns by age groups.

That data could then be added up and compared to the data supplied by the New York City daily reports on COVID-19 deaths with underlying illnesses.  As far as I know, nobody has done that particular bit of arithmetic.

Also, please note that I haven&#039;t searched FastStats to determine if it includes data for all nine of the diseases that NYC daily reports list as COVID-19 underlying illnesses.  Either way, the site would put a big dent in the problem you posed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo:</p>
<p>The CDC has an online publication called &#8220;FastStats.&#8221;  This is like an online handbook that collects statistical information from many other government publications.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a link<br />
<a href="https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/default.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/default.htm</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a section of FastStats entitled &#8220;Diseases and Conditions.&#8221;  Another is called &#8220;Infectious/Immune.&#8221;  If you browse those two sections, you&#8217;ll see data on various diseases, for the general population.  There are breakdowns by age groups.</p>
<p>That data could then be added up and compared to the data supplied by the New York City daily reports on COVID-19 deaths with underlying illnesses.  As far as I know, nobody has done that particular bit of arithmetic.</p>
<p>Also, please note that I haven&#8217;t searched FastStats to determine if it includes data for all nine of the diseases that NYC daily reports list as COVID-19 underlying illnesses.  Either way, the site would put a big dent in the problem you posed.</p>
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