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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/10/how-many-people-have-already-had-covid-19/#comment-2489516</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr on April 11, 2020 at 3:24 pm said:
The numbers are not accurate at all…
thats the problem…
&lt;b&gt;no standard definition of categories, &lt;/b&gt;nor would anyone take the time
meanwhile, the admins that put numbers in,&lt;b&gt; find inflating them helps (themselves)&lt;/b&gt;
* * *
The stories I&#039;m seeing support the first charge - even to conflating current cases with cumulative ones.
The second charge ....well...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/wth-massachusetts-padding-coronavirus-numbers-get-cash/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr on April 11, 2020 at 3:24 pm said:<br />
The numbers are not accurate at all…<br />
thats the problem…<br />
<b>no standard definition of categories, </b>nor would anyone take the time<br />
meanwhile, the admins that put numbers in,<b> find inflating them helps (themselves)</b><br />
* * *<br />
The stories I&#8217;m seeing support the first charge &#8211; even to conflating current cases with cumulative ones.<br />
The second charge &#8230;.well&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/wth-massachusetts-padding-coronavirus-numbers-get-cash/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/wth-massachusetts-padding-coronavirus-numbers-get-cash/</a></p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/10/how-many-people-have-already-had-covid-19/#comment-2489476</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The numbers are not accurate at all...  
thats the problem... 
no standard definition of categories, nor would anyone take the time
meanwhile, the admins that put numbers in, find inflating them helps (themselves)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The numbers are not accurate at all&#8230;<br />
thats the problem&#8230;<br />
no standard definition of categories, nor would anyone take the time<br />
meanwhile, the admins that put numbers in, find inflating them helps (themselves)</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 19:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[physicsguy:

NH?  According to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this chart&lt;/a&gt;, NH seems to have a rather middle-of-the-road amount of testing per million inhabitants, compared to the other states.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>physicsguy:</p>
<p>NH?  According to <a href="https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/" rel="nofollow">this chart</a>, NH seems to have a rather middle-of-the-road amount of testing per million inhabitants, compared to the other states.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[physicsguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rufus,

   I have never taken worldometers as being accurate, but maybe reasonable?  Also, it&#039;s not good to change data sources once started.  I also know that in NH there is very limited testing.  Even so, the active cases continues to climb abut 30,000 per day and serious cases (about 3% of the active cases) also climbing.   First indication I would think is serious cases going down.  Active cases could continue to climb just due to testing.  I was hopeful earlier this week when serious cases starting leveling for 3 days, but then surged again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rufus,</p>
<p>   I have never taken worldometers as being accurate, but maybe reasonable?  Also, it&#8217;s not good to change data sources once started.  I also know that in NH there is very limited testing.  Even so, the active cases continues to climb abut 30,000 per day and serious cases (about 3% of the active cases) also climbing.   First indication I would think is serious cases going down.  Active cases could continue to climb just due to testing.  I was hopeful earlier this week when serious cases starting leveling for 3 days, but then surged again.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/10/how-many-people-have-already-had-covid-19/#comment-2489466</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 17:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[physicsguy,

Only a sample size of 1, so take it for what it&#039;s worth, but my 82 year old mother living in the Chicago area has been ill for over 3 weeks; a few COVID-esque symptoms. We finally convinced her to go to an urgent care (she is a very tough person who always plays down her own aches and pains), where they tested her for Influenza A and sent her home. They called later and told her the test was negative and told her what to watch for, COVID-wise. So far, so good. My dad is keeping a close eye on her.

The point being, even an 82 year old woman who has some of the symptoms and is not really getting better on her own (she&#039;s also not getting worse) was not tested in Chicago. If my mother&#039;s experience is common in Chicago, then people are mostly only showing as positive cases when they are in serious condition because they are only admitting folks who present with serious conditions, and that&#039;s when they are tested. Different states, even different areas within states appear to have more tests, so testing varies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>physicsguy,</p>
<p>Only a sample size of 1, so take it for what it&#8217;s worth, but my 82 year old mother living in the Chicago area has been ill for over 3 weeks; a few COVID-esque symptoms. We finally convinced her to go to an urgent care (she is a very tough person who always plays down her own aches and pains), where they tested her for Influenza A and sent her home. They called later and told her the test was negative and told her what to watch for, COVID-wise. So far, so good. My dad is keeping a close eye on her.</p>
<p>The point being, even an 82 year old woman who has some of the symptoms and is not really getting better on her own (she&#8217;s also not getting worse) was not tested in Chicago. If my mother&#8217;s experience is common in Chicago, then people are mostly only showing as positive cases when they are in serious condition because they are only admitting folks who present with serious conditions, and that&#8217;s when they are tested. Different states, even different areas within states appear to have more tests, so testing varies.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 17:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[stu,

That would be incredible, if it turns out to be true. There is so much we do not yet understand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stu,</p>
<p>That would be incredible, if it turns out to be true. There is so much we do not yet understand.</p>
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		By: Chuck		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Constant rate of change is a linear function&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t say it would continue forever, I said it marked the peak. Sigmoid curves are approximately linear in the middle, which means constant rate of change. The question is &lt;i&gt;how long&lt;/i&gt; that linear portion continues. The models are pretty simple, https://ihmeuw-msca.github.io/CurveFit/methods/.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Constant rate of change is a linear function</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say it would continue forever, I said it marked the peak. Sigmoid curves are approximately linear in the middle, which means constant rate of change. The question is <i>how long</i> that linear portion continues. The models are pretty simple, <a href="https://ihmeuw-msca.github.io/CurveFit/methods/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ihmeuw-msca.github.io/CurveFit/methods/</a>.</p>
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		By: stu		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was trying for the past several days to come up with an explanation as to why the impact of the virus appears to be less on the west coast than the east, other than issues of density.  Dr. Siegel now advises that the seriology indicates that the virus entering the country from China is a different mutation that then one entering from Europe.  Perhaps that might also explain the greater incidence of death in the east, if that ultimately proves the case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was trying for the past several days to come up with an explanation as to why the impact of the virus appears to be less on the west coast than the east, other than issues of density.  Dr. Siegel now advises that the seriology indicates that the virus entering the country from China is a different mutation that then one entering from Europe.  Perhaps that might also explain the greater incidence of death in the east, if that ultimately proves the case.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, physicsguy.  My physics guy, sitting next to me, has just surveyed data from a couple of dozen individual states.  He&#039;s looking at daily new cases (date of test), which is significantly different from date reported, by four to six days. Those curves are going down, with some exceptions driven by large metropolitan areas.

My interpretation:  We don&#039;t have a national trend, we have localized trends.  (Husband:  &quot;It&#039;s a non-uniform distribution.&quot;)  The next few days will show whether these localized trends continue to improve.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, physicsguy.  My physics guy, sitting next to me, has just surveyed data from a couple of dozen individual states.  He&#8217;s looking at daily new cases (date of test), which is significantly different from date reported, by four to six days. Those curves are going down, with some exceptions driven by large metropolitan areas.</p>
<p>My interpretation:  We don&#8217;t have a national trend, we have localized trends.  (Husband:  &#8220;It&#8217;s a non-uniform distribution.&#8221;)  The next few days will show whether these localized trends continue to improve.</p>
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		By: physicsguy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Chuck: &quot;Constant rate of change is what characterizes the peak,&quot;

I have to disagree.  Constant rate of change is a linear function and will keep growing; it&#039;s definitely not a peak.  A linear function will reach infinity, just not as fast as a power or exponential function.  We need to see a decrease in new active cases each day to declare getting close to peak, and then finally, zero new cases at the peak.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chuck: &#8220;Constant rate of change is what characterizes the peak,&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to disagree.  Constant rate of change is a linear function and will keep growing; it&#8217;s definitely not a peak.  A linear function will reach infinity, just not as fast as a power or exponential function.  We need to see a decrease in new active cases each day to declare getting close to peak, and then finally, zero new cases at the peak.</p>
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