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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/04/06/lets-compare-vermont-and-new-hampshire-on-covid-19/#comment-2488810</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr:

My point about Chinese people in Vermont vs. NH wasn&#039;t related to the behavior of those people. It was related to the fact that there is no evidence that at this point in time the percentage of people of Chinese origin differs between the 2 states.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr:</p>
<p>My point about Chinese people in Vermont vs. NH wasn&#8217;t related to the behavior of those people. It was related to the fact that there is no evidence that at this point in time the percentage of people of Chinese origin differs between the 2 states.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 19:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr on April 7, 2020 at 9:51 am said:
Identifying cultural differences and similarities: China vs. the US
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Very interesting.
It seems to me that President Trump understands #5 very well, and is trying to drive a hard bargain with China while preserving face for Xi (note that WWE hero wrestlers are &quot;faces&quot;) by complimenting him in public, which the media claims not to understand.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr on April 7, 2020 at 9:51 am said:<br />
Identifying cultural differences and similarities: China vs. the US<br />
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Very interesting.<br />
It seems to me that President Trump understands #5 very well, and is trying to drive a hard bargain with China while preserving face for Xi (note that WWE hero wrestlers are &#8220;faces&#8221;) by complimenting him in public, which the media claims not to understand.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 13:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Identifying cultural differences and similarities: China vs. the US&lt;/b&gt;

1) Chinese society is all about the group, while Americans celebrate the individual. The United States is a meritocracy in which individuals can shine, while in China, any success is regarded as a success for the company, or the family, or the team. A Chinese person will consider how their actions may affect the group as a whole rather than looking out only for themselves.

3) Conversation in China can feel somewhat direct to Americans. Even though Americans like to place people in context in the search for common ground, small talk about age, income and marital status, all favoured by the Chinese, can feel intrusive and overly personal to an American. Having said this, Chinese visitors to the United States can find the language and tone used in American workplaces rude and uncomfortable. Thinking before you speak is important to the Chinese, as is showing respect for those higher in the hierarchy. 

5) &lt;b&gt;Chinese people are inclined to foster deeper friendships than Americans. They may see Americans as initially gregarious but difficult to get to know in a deeper context. A friend in China is someone to whom you feel deeply obligated and for whom you will do favors when necessary. This translates into business, where the Chinese will try to forge relationships and connections, known as guanxi. Trust is essential before doing business. Colleagues tend to socialize together as part of relationship building and business entertainment is lavish. Americans, on the other hand, tend to keep work and personal life separate.&lt;/b&gt;

8) Chinese people will avoid confrontation wherever possible with a view to saving face. Shouting at someone causes both parties to lose face and if face is lost in business, a relationship can be permanently damaged. As such, Chinese executives will often avoid giving a straight answer in order to save the other person’s face. Americans, who tend to be very direct and literal, can find this confusing and frustrating.

9) In China, humility is revered and people tend to downplay their achievements. America is almost the exact opposite; in a meritocracy, you need to make the most of yourself and let people know about your successes. The Chinese can see this as crass and boastful, while in the United States, humility can be regarded as a sign of weakness.

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Six Brilliant Illustrations of Chinese and Western Cultural Differences

&lt;b&gt;The Chinese-born German artist Yang Lin explores how her two cultures part ways in a series of clever images.

In lieu of verbal explanations, Yang Liu, a Chinese-born artist who has lived in Germany since she was 14, expressed these differences through ingenious illustrations first put together for an art installation five years ago. Juxtaposing Chinese cultural practices in red with German ones in blue—though the “German” norms are actually common throughout Western countries—the images are simple, evocative, and accurate. Here&#039;s a handful of the best ones, accompanied by captions underneath. &lt;/b&gt;

https://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/09/six-brilliant-illustrations-of-chinese-and-western-cultural-differences/280037/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Identifying cultural differences and similarities: China vs. the US</b></p>
<p>1) Chinese society is all about the group, while Americans celebrate the individual. The United States is a meritocracy in which individuals can shine, while in China, any success is regarded as a success for the company, or the family, or the team. A Chinese person will consider how their actions may affect the group as a whole rather than looking out only for themselves.</p>
<p>3) Conversation in China can feel somewhat direct to Americans. Even though Americans like to place people in context in the search for common ground, small talk about age, income and marital status, all favoured by the Chinese, can feel intrusive and overly personal to an American. Having said this, Chinese visitors to the United States can find the language and tone used in American workplaces rude and uncomfortable. Thinking before you speak is important to the Chinese, as is showing respect for those higher in the hierarchy. </p>
<p>5) <b>Chinese people are inclined to foster deeper friendships than Americans. They may see Americans as initially gregarious but difficult to get to know in a deeper context. A friend in China is someone to whom you feel deeply obligated and for whom you will do favors when necessary. This translates into business, where the Chinese will try to forge relationships and connections, known as guanxi. Trust is essential before doing business. Colleagues tend to socialize together as part of relationship building and business entertainment is lavish. Americans, on the other hand, tend to keep work and personal life separate.</b></p>
<p>8) Chinese people will avoid confrontation wherever possible with a view to saving face. Shouting at someone causes both parties to lose face and if face is lost in business, a relationship can be permanently damaged. As such, Chinese executives will often avoid giving a straight answer in order to save the other person’s face. Americans, who tend to be very direct and literal, can find this confusing and frustrating.</p>
<p>9) In China, humility is revered and people tend to downplay their achievements. America is almost the exact opposite; in a meritocracy, you need to make the most of yourself and let people know about your successes. The Chinese can see this as crass and boastful, while in the United States, humility can be regarded as a sign of weakness.</p>
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<p>Six Brilliant Illustrations of Chinese and Western Cultural Differences</p>
<p><b>The Chinese-born German artist Yang Lin explores how her two cultures part ways in a series of clever images.</p>
<p>In lieu of verbal explanations, Yang Liu, a Chinese-born artist who has lived in Germany since she was 14, expressed these differences through ingenious illustrations first put together for an art installation five years ago. Juxtaposing Chinese cultural practices in red with German ones in blue—though the “German” norms are actually common throughout Western countries—the images are simple, evocative, and accurate. Here&#8217;s a handful of the best ones, accompanied by captions underneath. </b></p>
<p><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/09/six-brilliant-illustrations-of-chinese-and-western-cultural-differences/280037/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/09/six-brilliant-illustrations-of-chinese-and-western-cultural-differences/280037/</a></p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 13:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My point is that the differences between COVID rates in the two states are highly unlikely to have anything to do with Chinese residents or ties.

Given my wife is chinese, i get to quibble..  we knew many people who suddenly came from the actual province with the disease in the early days... the neighbors of my cousin had 5 people from a covid hot spot come and move in upstairs... 

unlike americans the chinese are extreemly linked up people. the people who arent are actually the outliers... until i became chinese family myself i never realized how much so... its way different than westerners. 

a westerner who is popular may have 20-30 contacts on their phone.. a Chinese person who is popular can EASILY have 10 times that much... my Facebook has over 20 people all Chinese... as they linked up with me once i opened up.. 

you can be SURE that everywhere there were chinese, there were visitors.. 

and many are here because they have factories or work in asia, and the parts of what they make are assembled here to make the finished product to avoid duty charges.. i know several who are doing that, one a family member whose son stayed with us while they lived in china so he could go to Seton Hall.. 

IF you dont know chinese people and culture you do not know it... its very different from modern western peoples... (i say modern for a reason)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that the differences between COVID rates in the two states are highly unlikely to have anything to do with Chinese residents or ties.</p>
<p>Given my wife is chinese, i get to quibble..  we knew many people who suddenly came from the actual province with the disease in the early days&#8230; the neighbors of my cousin had 5 people from a covid hot spot come and move in upstairs&#8230; </p>
<p>unlike americans the chinese are extreemly linked up people. the people who arent are actually the outliers&#8230; until i became chinese family myself i never realized how much so&#8230; its way different than westerners. </p>
<p>a westerner who is popular may have 20-30 contacts on their phone.. a Chinese person who is popular can EASILY have 10 times that much&#8230; my Facebook has over 20 people all Chinese&#8230; as they linked up with me once i opened up.. </p>
<p>you can be SURE that everywhere there were chinese, there were visitors.. </p>
<p>and many are here because they have factories or work in asia, and the parts of what they make are assembled here to make the finished product to avoid duty charges.. i know several who are doing that, one a family member whose son stayed with us while they lived in china so he could go to Seton Hall.. </p>
<p>IF you dont know chinese people and culture you do not know it&#8230; its very different from modern western peoples&#8230; (i say modern for a reason)</p>
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		By: Fractal Rabbit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 05:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco,

Thanks. You’re correct: those are much closer to Burlington (and Montreal) than to Albany.

A friend of mine had a family tragedy: my friend and his wife took their newborn twins to the doctor at two weeks old. While there, one twin stopped breathing. After nurses resuscitated the child, she spent the next 3 months at Burlington’s children’s hospital. Ultimately, they decided she had suffered too much brain damage and pulled the plug on her ventilators. But they still remain admirers of the care they received at that hospital.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco,</p>
<p>Thanks. You’re correct: those are much closer to Burlington (and Montreal) than to Albany.</p>
<p>A friend of mine had a family tragedy: my friend and his wife took their newborn twins to the doctor at two weeks old. While there, one twin stopped breathing. After nurses resuscitated the child, she spent the next 3 months at Burlington’s children’s hospital. Ultimately, they decided she had suffered too much brain damage and pulled the plug on her ventilators. But they still remain admirers of the care they received at that hospital.</p>
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		By: Presbypoet		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 04:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are places that should be a cluster that are not. San Francisco (the city/county) had today its 9th death. Only 9 in a city of almost a million, the densest city on the west coast, (18,800 people per square mile). 

So many reasons it should be a cluster: 
It is a major tourist hub. 
A major convention location. 
Thousands of street people camp on sidewalks. 
A large Chinatown right in downtown. 
In February they had a giant Chinese New Year parade with thousands crammed together. 
On February 24th, Nancy P. went to the SF Chinatown to encourage people to come. 

Yet only 9 deaths. There does seem to be an element of random luck in who gets it, or not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are places that should be a cluster that are not. San Francisco (the city/county) had today its 9th death. Only 9 in a city of almost a million, the densest city on the west coast, (18,800 people per square mile). </p>
<p>So many reasons it should be a cluster:<br />
It is a major tourist hub.<br />
A major convention location.<br />
Thousands of street people camp on sidewalks.<br />
A large Chinatown right in downtown.<br />
In February they had a giant Chinese New Year parade with thousands crammed together.<br />
On February 24th, Nancy P. went to the SF Chinatown to encourage people to come. </p>
<p>Yet only 9 deaths. There does seem to be an element of random luck in who gets it, or not.</p>
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		By: Aggie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 03:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You must not be from the northern NE states.  As someone who grew up in Maine, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts, I can tell you that the reason for the Vermont disparity is due to the old, fat, hairy, dope-smokin&#039;, sandal-wearin&#039;, bearded-genius commies that live there, and their lifestyles.  Of course in reality it&#039;s statistically insignificant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You must not be from the northern NE states.  As someone who grew up in Maine, New Hampshire, and Massachusetts, I can tell you that the reason for the Vermont disparity is due to the old, fat, hairy, dope-smokin&#8217;, sandal-wearin&#8217;, bearded-genius commies that live there, and their lifestyles.  Of course in reality it&#8217;s statistically insignificant.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 02:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,
That was my first thought about the fashionista returning from Montevideo.  They should have put an ankle monitor on her.  Then someone has to follow that up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,<br />
That was my first thought about the fashionista returning from Montevideo.  They should have put an ankle monitor on her.  Then someone has to follow that up.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 01:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay - my brother in a nice middle-sized town in Texas reported that a couple who came back from China or Italy (don&#039;t remember now which one) refused to self-isolate, and the police put ankle monitors on them and told them to stay home.

Don&#039;t mess with Texas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay &#8211; my brother in a nice middle-sized town in Texas reported that a couple who came back from China or Italy (don&#8217;t remember now which one) refused to self-isolate, and the police put ankle monitors on them and told them to stay home.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t mess with Texas.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2020 01:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco,

Always look closer to home. Local info is always closer to reality than globalist reality, except when China is concerned. Sheesh is this not obvious? Worldometer, really? Next you will be relying on WHO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco,</p>
<p>Always look closer to home. Local info is always closer to reality than globalist reality, except when China is concerned. Sheesh is this not obvious? Worldometer, really? Next you will be relying on WHO.</p>
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