covid world wide deaths are 30,249
has a freaking long way to go with warm months coming…

the question is… why didnt we stop the world for something that was worse?
the answer was who was in charge… the collective or the opposition

Between April 12, 2009, and April 10, 2010, the CDC estimates swine flu caused 60.8 million illnesses, 273,304 hospitalizations and 12,469 deaths in the U.S.

currently… US death for covid is 1,841… do we start the clock at the first death? or the first sick person? Lets start with January.. regardless… to match H1N1 by end of year would require what kind of number change?

well, to catch up we need 10,628? more deaths.. with 9 months to go..
that means we need as many to die each month than died in the past three months… This doesnt happen, because the time of the most spread and dead is when people have not changed behavior…

but also… the key here is that a huge number do not get symptoms.. if its anything liek the diamond princess, you can take your tested cases ad multiply them by 5-8 which would bring the death rate down precipitously

this is why the mostly unheard and not scary epidemiologists have started to quote numbers that are LESS than flu..

but you talk as if you WANT the people you believe in (the govt) to be right..
if not, what does that do to your world view, and what you trust? it shakes it
people dont like their tree shaked.. they dont like the things they think they trust and depend on, to be found out negatively… they reinforce to death (almost)…
and they try to get others to validate this world view…

there is a small group that knows our politicians are full of crapola… some of us have worked with them, some of us have familial or personal experience with this up close… we never had a world view invested in trusting strangers..

Coronavirus may have already infected half of UK, study says

The leading person behind this finding is an expert in precisely this subject, so her conclusions carry more weight than most other pontifications on the subject.

Unless that radically changes, we must therefore conclude that the number of cases adversely affected may be no greater than what we see in a normal bout of the flu. We are, in other words, moving heaven and earth to prevent something pretty normal and of no unusual concern.
comment by JJR

The rapidly spreading coronavirus may have already infected half the UK population — but that is encouraging news, according to a new study by the University of Oxford.

The modeling by researchers at Oxford’s Evolutionary Ecology of Infectious Disease group indicates the COVID-19 virus reached the UK by mid-January at the latest, spreading undetected for more than a month before the first official case was reported in late February, the Financial Times reports.

But even though this suggests the spread is far worse than scientists previously estimated, it also implies that only one in a thousand people infected with COVID-19 requires hospitalization.

The researchers say this shows that herd immunity — the idea that the virus will stop spreading when enough of the population builds up resistance through becoming infected — can help fight the highly-contagious disease.

This view is in contrast to the Imperial College London modeling used by the UK government to develop policies to halt the crisis, including social distancing.

“I am surprised that there has been such unqualified acceptance of the Imperial model,” Sunetra Gupta, professor of theoretical epidemiology, who led the study, told the Financial Times.

If the Oxford model is confirmed by testing, Professor Gupta believes this means current restrictions could be removed much sooner than the government has indicated, the Financial Times reports.

The group is now working with colleagues at the Universities of Cambridge and Kent to start antibody testing to figure out what stage the epidemic is in and to assess protective immunity, according to the outlet.

Where is your link to the hospital bed and ventilator shortages?

I can’t speak for SDN, but this is the main source I have seen people quote from:

From Telegraph.co.uk, March 23:

“According to Prof Walter Ricciardi, scientific adviser to Italy’s minister of health, the country’s mortality rate is far higher due to demographics … But Prof Ricciardi added that Italy’s death rate may also appear high because of how doctors record fatalities.
“The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus. … On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three,” he says.”

Subjectively, from watching the news unfold, I recall that the virus got into hospitals in Italy and killed viciously, as it did in the Washington state nursing home. Virtually all COVID-19 deaths in Italy have involved people with at least one and usually multiple significant pre-existing health issues. Victims skew elderly: as of yesterday’s figures, they tabulated data on 7,590 deaths … 90 in people under 50, 0 in people under 30. 6,351 in people 70 and over, an age group that constitutes 36% of overall cases.

The virus has been circulating in this country for over two months. It has a still-debated but definitely high R0, an incubation time of 4-5 days and – in China – had a median time from first symptom to hospitalization of 10 days. Does anyone know about mass shortage of hospital beds and ventilators in the US, or is it just the media, mainsteam and social, driving mass hysteria?

Again, this isn’t about the media. The media didn’t create Covid-19. Of course, they will promote the scariest headlines imaginable. It’s one reason I don’t watch the MSM. Better to cruise the internet and get info from multiple sources.

SDN
Do you have a link about Italy counting every death as Covid-19?

https://wattsupwiththat.com/daily-coronavirus-covid-19-data-graph-page/

Scroll down to his states graph. Yes, NY is climbing, but is still below the seasonal flu death rate. May reach that in a few days, but at least this is plotted as a percentage of the population and on left axis as normalized by population.