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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/03/11/pneumonia-primer/#comment-2484213</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[One reference for Lenny&#039;s comment.
https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/elderly-will-be-denied-intensive-care-as-coronavirus-overwhelms-italys-national-health-system-experts-warn/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One reference for Lenny&#8217;s comment.<br />
<a href="https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/elderly-will-be-denied-intensive-care-as-coronavirus-overwhelms-italys-national-health-system-experts-warn/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/elderly-will-be-denied-intensive-care-as-coronavirus-overwhelms-italys-national-health-system-experts-warn/</a></p>
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		By: Lenny Capello		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/03/11/pneumonia-primer/#comment-2484030</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2020 04:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of the observations in Neo&#039;s post that hasn&#039;t been commented on is the difference in mortality rates among countries.  One report today said that the government in Italy is advising critical care facilities to focus their efforts on younger victims and, if capacity is limited, exclude the elderly.  The UK national health program has consistently devalued efforts to treat the elderly.  When the elderly are most vulnerable to a disease, it is no surprise that the mortality rate in the UK (13%) will be much higher than here in the U.S.. Why would we want the Democratics Socialist health agenda?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the observations in Neo&#8217;s post that hasn&#8217;t been commented on is the difference in mortality rates among countries.  One report today said that the government in Italy is advising critical care facilities to focus their efforts on younger victims and, if capacity is limited, exclude the elderly.  The UK national health program has consistently devalued efforts to treat the elderly.  When the elderly are most vulnerable to a disease, it is no surprise that the mortality rate in the UK (13%) will be much higher than here in the U.S.. Why would we want the Democratics Socialist health agenda?</p>
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		By: R.C.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 23:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem with these death-rate numbers is that they make the Average Joe say, &quot;Oh, if I get this stuff, I have a 3.4% chance of dying.&quot;

But it&#039;s nonsense.

The Average (otherwise-healthy) Joe who gets Wuhan Flu probably has near-zero chance of dying, if he&#039;s 38 and doesn&#039;t smoke. (I picked 38 because that&#039;s the median age of the U.S. population.)

If a 95-year-old with emphysema gets it, well...that guy shouldn&#039;t be making any long-term plans. (But he shouldn&#039;t have been doing so anyway.)

The real challenge here is making sure we don&#039;t overwhelm the healthcare system. Thus, if we could just slow down the rate-of-spread, things will be fine.

That means everyone staying home, &#039;cause the moment you&#039;re within 10 feet of someone with the virus, you&#039;re exposed, and many people with no symptoms (or very mild ones) are shedding the virus.

Ugh.

As I said in a different thread: The hot tip is to stay home, telecommute, order supplies to be delivered by Amazon drone, and watch Netflix.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with these death-rate numbers is that they make the Average Joe say, &#8220;Oh, if I get this stuff, I have a 3.4% chance of dying.&#8221;</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s nonsense.</p>
<p>The Average (otherwise-healthy) Joe who gets Wuhan Flu probably has near-zero chance of dying, if he&#8217;s 38 and doesn&#8217;t smoke. (I picked 38 because that&#8217;s the median age of the U.S. population.)</p>
<p>If a 95-year-old with emphysema gets it, well&#8230;that guy shouldn&#8217;t be making any long-term plans. (But he shouldn&#8217;t have been doing so anyway.)</p>
<p>The real challenge here is making sure we don&#8217;t overwhelm the healthcare system. Thus, if we could just slow down the rate-of-spread, things will be fine.</p>
<p>That means everyone staying home, &#8217;cause the moment you&#8217;re within 10 feet of someone with the virus, you&#8217;re exposed, and many people with no symptoms (or very mild ones) are shedding the virus.</p>
<p>Ugh.</p>
<p>As I said in a different thread: The hot tip is to stay home, telecommute, order supplies to be delivered by Amazon drone, and watch Netflix.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yep, the internet blames COVID on Climate Change - top result from Google today:
https://www.whatsorb.com/climate/corona-virus-flu-and-climate-change-is-there-a-connection
by: Joris Zuid February 25 2020
&lt;blockquote&gt; No one will be surprised to hear that there is a worryingly wide range of problems associated with climate change. From extreme weather events to melting ice caps and the extinction of animal species - these have all been well-researched to fall somewhere in the range of ‘likely’ to ‘highly probable’. Perhaps not as obvious is the suddenly rise of the Corona virus and the flu, as a direct result of climate change. How does that even work? 

Coronavirus And Climate Change: Winter And Traveling Makes People More Vurnerable
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Second-top hit: more useful, in the context of what &quot;useful&quot; means in CC discussions.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-climate-change-pollution-environment-china-covid19-crisis/a-52647140
Date 05.03.2020 [European style; no time travel involved]
Author Ruby Russell
&lt;blockquote&gt; Coronavirus and climate change: A tale of two crises
Coronavirus has cut emissions faster than years of climate negotiations. Does the outbreak reveal what life might be like if we were to act seriously on climate change? Or what it might be like if we don&#039;t?
...
China, the world&#039;s biggest greenhouse gas polluter, has no plans to cut its emissions anytime soon. Under its Paris Agreement pledges, Beijing has promised to hit peak emissions  by 2030. So for the next decade, they&#039;re only going to go up.

&lt;b&gt;Yet suddenly, this colossal, coal-powered economy has slashed emissions by 25%, &lt;/b&gt;according to numbers crunched by Lauri Myllyvirta at the University of Helsinki&#039;s Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air. Not because of the climate crisis, but the COVID-19 public health emergency.

&quot;For something like this to happen virtually overnight is very much unprecedented,&quot; Myllyvirta told DW.

Wuhan, the 11 million-strong Hubei province city at the center of the coronavirus outbreak has been on lockdown since late January. With businesses and factories in the province shuttered, and hundreds of millions of people across the country rendered immobile by sweeping travel restrictions, &lt;b&gt;the atmosphere above China in NASA satellite images appears virtually clean of nitrous oxide emissions.&lt;/b&gt;
...
In China, Myllyvirta says the pressure to resume business as usual is so great there have been reports of local governments ordering workerless factories to run their machines just to use up power, with the expectation that their superiors will be looking at electricity consumption as a sign of recovery.

After the 2008 financial crash, &quot;which also led to a dramatic drop-off in China&#039;s emissions and marked improvement in air quality because export industries went into freefall,&quot; Myllyvirta says the government launched a massive, construction-heavy stimulus program that saw emissions surge.

&lt;b&gt;Such stories don&#039;t bode well for the climate in a post-crisis scenario when the country is keen to get the economy back up and running.&lt;/b&gt;
...
&quot;The only time we see emissions significantly reduce is when countries — or the globe — goes into recession,&quot; says Jon Erickson, an ecological economist at the University of Vermont&#039;s Gund Institute who studies emerging infectious disease vectors in relation to climate change.

&quot;These moments really point to how intimately greenhouse gas emissions are tied to economic growth,&quot; Erickson told DW.

&lt;b&gt;While recessions are good for the climate, they&#039;re terrible for people — &lt;/b&gt;particularly those who already benefit least from our fossil-fuel economies. Among the hardest hit by China&#039;s coronavirus response are low-waged migrant workers already living precarious lives.
...
Yet advocates of a managed contraction of economic activity to protect the climate say shocks like the current outbreak illustrate the stark choices before us.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;We never want to do things in crisis mode,&quot; Erickson says. Instead, we have a &quot;five to 10 year window&quot; to &quot;completely transform the economy &lt;/b&gt;so that the worst side of the contraction can be reduced, so that we can protect those who are most vulnerable.&quot;

If that sounds ridiculously optimistic, recent weeks at least suggest that when a crisis is deemed urgent enough, the world can act big and fast.

&quot;If we truly treat climate as an emergency, as we are treating this pandemic as an emergency, we have to have a similar level of international coordination,&quot; Erickson says, &lt;b&gt;starting with rapid scaling-back of fossil fuel investments.
...
With a global death toll of over 3,000, COVID-19 still appears far less deadly than fossil fuels, &lt;/b&gt;which, according to a recent study that Myllyvirta co-authored for Greenpeace, are responsible for 4.5 million air pollution-related deaths each year, aside from climate impacts. But scientists warn that warmer, wetter conditions are increasing the probability of such outbreaks. No one knows how deadly the next one might be.

&quot;This is an opportunity to talk about planned economic stabilization, and talk about planned degrowth,&quot; Erickson says. &quot;The economy will contract, it will hit limits, it will crash, it will collapse on its own. That&#039;s going to hurt the most.&quot;
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

There were some good pictures.
I don&#039;t have any problem with managing things so emergencies don&#039;t become panicked crises, but (see Mr. Ridley above) spending our money on research for adapting to Climate Change beats the futile attempts at mitigation all hollow.
However, a &quot;five to 10 year window&quot; to &quot;completely transform the economy&quot; still sounds like Panic to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, the internet blames COVID on Climate Change &#8211; top result from Google today:<br />
<a href="https://www.whatsorb.com/climate/corona-virus-flu-and-climate-change-is-there-a-connection" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.whatsorb.com/climate/corona-virus-flu-and-climate-change-is-there-a-connection</a><br />
by: Joris Zuid February 25 2020</p>
<blockquote><p> No one will be surprised to hear that there is a worryingly wide range of problems associated with climate change. From extreme weather events to melting ice caps and the extinction of animal species &#8211; these have all been well-researched to fall somewhere in the range of ‘likely’ to ‘highly probable’. Perhaps not as obvious is the suddenly rise of the Corona virus and the flu, as a direct result of climate change. How does that even work? </p>
<p>Coronavirus And Climate Change: Winter And Traveling Makes People More Vurnerable
</p></blockquote>
<p>Second-top hit: more useful, in the context of what &#8220;useful&#8221; means in CC discussions.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-climate-change-pollution-environment-china-covid19-crisis/a-52647140" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-climate-change-pollution-environment-china-covid19-crisis/a-52647140</a><br />
Date 05.03.2020 [European style; no time travel involved]<br />
Author Ruby Russell</p>
<blockquote><p> Coronavirus and climate change: A tale of two crises<br />
Coronavirus has cut emissions faster than years of climate negotiations. Does the outbreak reveal what life might be like if we were to act seriously on climate change? Or what it might be like if we don&#8217;t?<br />
&#8230;<br />
China, the world&#8217;s biggest greenhouse gas polluter, has no plans to cut its emissions anytime soon. Under its Paris Agreement pledges, Beijing has promised to hit peak emissions  by 2030. So for the next decade, they&#8217;re only going to go up.</p>
<p><b>Yet suddenly, this colossal, coal-powered economy has slashed emissions by 25%, </b>according to numbers crunched by Lauri Myllyvirta at the University of Helsinki&#8217;s Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air. Not because of the climate crisis, but the COVID-19 public health emergency.</p>
<p>&#8220;For something like this to happen virtually overnight is very much unprecedented,&#8221; Myllyvirta told DW.</p>
<p>Wuhan, the 11 million-strong Hubei province city at the center of the coronavirus outbreak has been on lockdown since late January. With businesses and factories in the province shuttered, and hundreds of millions of people across the country rendered immobile by sweeping travel restrictions, <b>the atmosphere above China in NASA satellite images appears virtually clean of nitrous oxide emissions.</b><br />
&#8230;<br />
In China, Myllyvirta says the pressure to resume business as usual is so great there have been reports of local governments ordering workerless factories to run their machines just to use up power, with the expectation that their superiors will be looking at electricity consumption as a sign of recovery.</p>
<p>After the 2008 financial crash, &#8220;which also led to a dramatic drop-off in China&#8217;s emissions and marked improvement in air quality because export industries went into freefall,&#8221; Myllyvirta says the government launched a massive, construction-heavy stimulus program that saw emissions surge.</p>
<p><b>Such stories don&#8217;t bode well for the climate in a post-crisis scenario when the country is keen to get the economy back up and running.</b><br />
&#8230;<br />
&#8220;The only time we see emissions significantly reduce is when countries — or the globe — goes into recession,&#8221; says Jon Erickson, an ecological economist at the University of Vermont&#8217;s Gund Institute who studies emerging infectious disease vectors in relation to climate change.</p>
<p>&#8220;These moments really point to how intimately greenhouse gas emissions are tied to economic growth,&#8221; Erickson told DW.</p>
<p><b>While recessions are good for the climate, they&#8217;re terrible for people — </b>particularly those who already benefit least from our fossil-fuel economies. Among the hardest hit by China&#8217;s coronavirus response are low-waged migrant workers already living precarious lives.<br />
&#8230;<br />
Yet advocates of a managed contraction of economic activity to protect the climate say shocks like the current outbreak illustrate the stark choices before us.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;We never want to do things in crisis mode,&#8221; Erickson says. Instead, we have a &#8220;five to 10 year window&#8221; to &#8220;completely transform the economy </b>so that the worst side of the contraction can be reduced, so that we can protect those who are most vulnerable.&#8221;</p>
<p>If that sounds ridiculously optimistic, recent weeks at least suggest that when a crisis is deemed urgent enough, the world can act big and fast.</p>
<p>&#8220;If we truly treat climate as an emergency, as we are treating this pandemic as an emergency, we have to have a similar level of international coordination,&#8221; Erickson says, <b>starting with rapid scaling-back of fossil fuel investments.<br />
&#8230;<br />
With a global death toll of over 3,000, COVID-19 still appears far less deadly than fossil fuels, </b>which, according to a recent study that Myllyvirta co-authored for Greenpeace, are responsible for 4.5 million air pollution-related deaths each year, aside from climate impacts. But scientists warn that warmer, wetter conditions are increasing the probability of such outbreaks. No one knows how deadly the next one might be.</p>
<p>&#8220;This is an opportunity to talk about planned economic stabilization, and talk about planned degrowth,&#8221; Erickson says. &#8220;The economy will contract, it will hit limits, it will crash, it will collapse on its own. That&#8217;s going to hurt the most.&#8221;
</p></blockquote>
<p>There were some good pictures.<br />
I don&#8217;t have any problem with managing things so emergencies don&#8217;t become panicked crises, but (see Mr. Ridley above) spending our money on research for adapting to Climate Change beats the futile attempts at mitigation all hollow.<br />
However, a &#8220;five to 10 year window&#8221; to &#8220;completely transform the economy&#8221; still sounds like Panic to me.</p>
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		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/03/11/pneumonia-primer/#comment-2483941</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Okay - looked up some of Ridley&#039;s works on Climate Change - the sop was sarcasm IMHO.

Here is one article, old now, that seems to be representative of his position.
I mention it on the theory that COVID will be inevitably be linked to Climate Change, if that has not already happened.

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/adapting-to-climate-change/
Published on: Sunday, 06 April, 2014
&quot;Global warming looks like it will be cheaper to cope with than to prevent&quot;

It was a good essay, worth reading, and the governments &#038; scammers totally ignored it, of course - coping would not give them their accustomed Return On Investment (their time, paper, and pixels in exchange for your money).

This one is mostly a long (long, long, long) list of the events attributed to Climate Change. That was in 2010, so I&#039;m sure it&#039;s gotten longer, although there may be an asymptotic limit as the number of affected events approaches the totality of life.
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/the-climate-blame-game/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay &#8211; looked up some of Ridley&#8217;s works on Climate Change &#8211; the sop was sarcasm IMHO.</p>
<p>Here is one article, old now, that seems to be representative of his position.<br />
I mention it on the theory that COVID will be inevitably be linked to Climate Change, if that has not already happened.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/adapting-to-climate-change/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/adapting-to-climate-change/</a><br />
Published on: Sunday, 06 April, 2014<br />
&#8220;Global warming looks like it will be cheaper to cope with than to prevent&#8221;</p>
<p>It was a good essay, worth reading, and the governments &amp; scammers totally ignored it, of course &#8211; coping would not give them their accustomed Return On Investment (their time, paper, and pixels in exchange for your money).</p>
<p>This one is mostly a long (long, long, long) list of the events attributed to Climate Change. That was in 2010, so I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s gotten longer, although there may be an asymptotic limit as the number of affected events approaches the totality of life.<br />
<a href="http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/the-climate-blame-game/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/the-climate-blame-game/</a></p>
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		By: Roy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 20:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Several commenters have mentioned how the early prognostications of the media were pronounced as &quot;Fake News&quot;, but later turned out to be accurate.

Well, that might be so, but there is a reason for that.

Our main-stream media for years now has lied to us. They have lied with malice aforethought. They have lied to us when they didn&#039;t even need to lie. And now, since Donald Trump came on the scene, it has gotten orders of magnitude worse.

As it is now, I don&#039;t believe *anything* that comes from our MSM unless it can be verified independently. That&#039;s just the way it is with me now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several commenters have mentioned how the early prognostications of the media were pronounced as &#8220;Fake News&#8221;, but later turned out to be accurate.</p>
<p>Well, that might be so, but there is a reason for that.</p>
<p>Our main-stream media for years now has lied to us. They have lied with malice aforethought. They have lied to us when they didn&#8217;t even need to lie. And now, since Donald Trump came on the scene, it has gotten orders of magnitude worse.</p>
<p>As it is now, I don&#8217;t believe *anything* that comes from our MSM unless it can be verified independently. That&#8217;s just the way it is with me now.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Grey on March 12, 2020 at 1:41 pm said:
Matt Ridley says the Wolf is Loose, we’re NOT crying “wolf”.
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/coronavirus-is-the-wolf/
* * *
Well, that got MY attention!
I used to try posting a Fable with my comments on news stories, but it got so repetitious I had to stop.  Whatever our politicians and the public does, Aesop had them nailed. (The idea that the governing Powers That Be of his age actually listened to his warnings and mended their ways is the make-believe part of the fables.)

Ridley&#039;s bona fides do give some credence to his warning, although he doesn&#039;t cite any specific research notes. He has to give a sop to the envirofascists, but it&#039;s a small one (unsure if he believes in AGW aka Climate Change or not), but he absolutely correct in his chastisement of the scammers who are just in it for the money.

&lt;blockquote&gt; But we have indeed cried wolf over so many issues, that it has contributed to us being underprepared. We should have seen that globalisation would cause such a risk to grow ever larger and taken action to prevent a new virus appearing. &lt;b&gt;We should have worried about things other than climate change. &lt;/b&gt;Here are a few of the measures we could and should have taken in recent years instead of going into hysteria about the gradual warming of the temperature mainly at night, in winter and in the north.

We could have pursued an international agreement to ban the sale of live bats in markets. Bats are especially dangerous because they are fellow mammals and share with us a tendency to live in huge aggregations. &lt;b&gt;We could have funded more research and development in antiviral therapies, vaccines and diagnostics. We could have built a better infrastructure to isolate cases in healthcare systems, and at transport hubs. &lt;/b&gt;These might have been expensive, yes – but nothing like the money we are spending on precautionary measures against dangerous climate change which is still decades away. [this is the sop I mentioned]
...
Last week Greta Thunberg was still telling the European Parliament that climate change is the greatest threat humanity faces. This week Extinction Rebellion’s upper-class twits were baring their breasts on Waterloo bridge in protest at the billions of people who they wrongly think may die from global warming in the next decade. These people are demonstrating their insensitivity. They are spooked by a spaniel when there’s a wolf on the loose.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Grey on March 12, 2020 at 1:41 pm said:<br />
Matt Ridley says the Wolf is Loose, we’re NOT crying “wolf”.<br />
<a href="http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/coronavirus-is-the-wolf/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/coronavirus-is-the-wolf/</a><br />
* * *<br />
Well, that got MY attention!<br />
I used to try posting a Fable with my comments on news stories, but it got so repetitious I had to stop.  Whatever our politicians and the public does, Aesop had them nailed. (The idea that the governing Powers That Be of his age actually listened to his warnings and mended their ways is the make-believe part of the fables.)</p>
<p>Ridley&#8217;s bona fides do give some credence to his warning, although he doesn&#8217;t cite any specific research notes. He has to give a sop to the envirofascists, but it&#8217;s a small one (unsure if he believes in AGW aka Climate Change or not), but he absolutely correct in his chastisement of the scammers who are just in it for the money.</p>
<blockquote><p> But we have indeed cried wolf over so many issues, that it has contributed to us being underprepared. We should have seen that globalisation would cause such a risk to grow ever larger and taken action to prevent a new virus appearing. <b>We should have worried about things other than climate change. </b>Here are a few of the measures we could and should have taken in recent years instead of going into hysteria about the gradual warming of the temperature mainly at night, in winter and in the north.</p>
<p>We could have pursued an international agreement to ban the sale of live bats in markets. Bats are especially dangerous because they are fellow mammals and share with us a tendency to live in huge aggregations. <b>We could have funded more research and development in antiviral therapies, vaccines and diagnostics. We could have built a better infrastructure to isolate cases in healthcare systems, and at transport hubs. </b>These might have been expensive, yes – but nothing like the money we are spending on precautionary measures against dangerous climate change which is still decades away. [this is the sop I mentioned]<br />
&#8230;<br />
Last week Greta Thunberg was still telling the European Parliament that climate change is the greatest threat humanity faces. This week Extinction Rebellion’s upper-class twits were baring their breasts on Waterloo bridge in protest at the billions of people who they wrongly think may die from global warming in the next decade. These people are demonstrating their insensitivity. They are spooked by a spaniel when there’s a wolf on the loose.
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		By: Ray		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/03/11/pneumonia-primer/#comment-2483927</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;if Obama was our president, today, the corona virus would be reported on the bottom of the last page in a tiny article of the Sunday NY Times&quot;
I don&#039;t think so. If you remember we had the Swine flu epidemic when Obama was president and according to the papers Obama did a wonderful job during that period. He was praised for his handling of the epidemic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if Obama was our president, today, the corona virus would be reported on the bottom of the last page in a tiny article of the Sunday NY Times&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t think so. If you remember we had the Swine flu epidemic when Obama was president and according to the papers Obama did a wonderful job during that period. He was praised for his handling of the epidemic.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/03/11/pneumonia-primer/#comment-2483895</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matt Ridley says the Wolf is Loose, we&#039;re NOT crying &quot;wolf&quot;.
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/coronavirus-is-the-wolf/

Lots of interesting reasons why he&#039;s concerned, but he also doesn&#039;t want panic; tho he does criticize Trump (like so many writers feel they must).  He thinks climate change alarmism is also hurting the response to this real issue.

He had a good Feb. post about getting viruses from bats, and noting that this one is probably from a pangolin (from a bat?).
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/coronavirus-bats/ 

What is the maximum of non-panic, prudent carefulness?  Travel bans, schools canceled (who pays for home care?), work from home for office workers.  Lots more &quot;wash your hands&quot;.
Here&#039;s a great twitter thread on the superiority of soap.
https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/status/1236549305189597189]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Ridley says the Wolf is Loose, we&#8217;re NOT crying &#8220;wolf&#8221;.<br />
<a href="http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/coronavirus-is-the-wolf/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/coronavirus-is-the-wolf/</a></p>
<p>Lots of interesting reasons why he&#8217;s concerned, but he also doesn&#8217;t want panic; tho he does criticize Trump (like so many writers feel they must).  He thinks climate change alarmism is also hurting the response to this real issue.</p>
<p>He had a good Feb. post about getting viruses from bats, and noting that this one is probably from a pangolin (from a bat?).<br />
<a href="http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/coronavirus-bats/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/coronavirus-bats/</a> </p>
<p>What is the maximum of non-panic, prudent carefulness?  Travel bans, schools canceled (who pays for home care?), work from home for office workers.  Lots more &#8220;wash your hands&#8221;.<br />
Here&#8217;s a great twitter thread on the superiority of soap.<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/status/1236549305189597189" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/PalliThordarson/status/1236549305189597189</a></p>
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		By: Tom		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/03/11/pneumonia-primer/#comment-2483888</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cicero...

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cicero&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-live-plastic-stainless-steel-for-up-to-3-days</a></p>
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