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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;We used to have, at least in theory, one party in America who cared about workers and one that cared about small business owners. When the interests of those two groups differed, they would each be vigorously defended in the pursuit of a compromise that both sides could live with. &lt;/i&gt;

That sounds rather fanciful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We used to have, at least in theory, one party in America who cared about workers and one that cared about small business owners. When the interests of those two groups differed, they would each be vigorously defended in the pursuit of a compromise that both sides could live with. </i></p>
<p>That sounds rather fanciful.</p>
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		By: MBunge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2020 18:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The ratio of public expenditure to domestic product hasn’t changed much over the last 40-odd years. We have about as much Big Government as we did when the septuagenarian Carville was 30 years old.&quot;


Again, I don&#039;t know why you are so obtuse about these things.  Go look up what Bernie Sanders, and many others on the Left, used to say about illegal immigration.

We used to have, at least in theory, one party in America who cared about workers and one that cared about small business owners.  When the interests of those two groups differed, they would each be vigorously defended in the pursuit of a compromise that both sides could live with.  Or at least that&#039;s how everyone agreed it was supposed to work.  What Carville helped usher in is an era where one party kisses the ass of corporate America and the other kisses the ass of corporate America about 11% less.

The rise of first Trump and now Bernie is a direct result of this neo-liberal, globalist, uni-party consensus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The ratio of public expenditure to domestic product hasn’t changed much over the last 40-odd years. We have about as much Big Government as we did when the septuagenarian Carville was 30 years old.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, I don&#8217;t know why you are so obtuse about these things.  Go look up what Bernie Sanders, and many others on the Left, used to say about illegal immigration.</p>
<p>We used to have, at least in theory, one party in America who cared about workers and one that cared about small business owners.  When the interests of those two groups differed, they would each be vigorously defended in the pursuit of a compromise that both sides could live with.  Or at least that&#8217;s how everyone agreed it was supposed to work.  What Carville helped usher in is an era where one party kisses the ass of corporate America and the other kisses the ass of corporate America about 11% less.</p>
<p>The rise of first Trump and now Bernie is a direct result of this neo-liberal, globalist, uni-party consensus.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2020 17:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;As I understand it the full quote was: “The Royal family — what a bunch of misfits — a gay, an architect, that horsey faced lesbian, and a kid who gave up Koo Stark for some fat broad.”&lt;/i&gt;

The &#039;fat broad&#039; is Sarah Ferguson, who was not and is not fat.   The &#039;horsy-faced lesbian&#039; is Princess Anne, who is rather unattractive but has no history of lesbianism.  The &#039;architect&#039; is Prince Charles, who counts architectural history as an interest and was an astringent critic of modern architecture at that time, but has no training in any branch of engineering.  The &#039;gay&#039; is Prince Edward, who was not and is not homosexual.  The &#039;kid&#039; he was referring to was Prince Andrew, who was at the time a naval officer who had seen combat; Koo Stark had married someone else the year before he and Sarah Ferguson got to be an item.  

What&#039;s interesting about Bloomberg is the howlers he utters. The subject matter is less consequential than farming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As I understand it the full quote was: “The Royal family — what a bunch of misfits — a gay, an architect, that horsey faced lesbian, and a kid who gave up Koo Stark for some fat broad.”</i></p>
<p>The &#8216;fat broad&#8217; is Sarah Ferguson, who was not and is not fat.   The &#8216;horsy-faced lesbian&#8217; is Princess Anne, who is rather unattractive but has no history of lesbianism.  The &#8216;architect&#8217; is Prince Charles, who counts architectural history as an interest and was an astringent critic of modern architecture at that time, but has no training in any branch of engineering.  The &#8216;gay&#8217; is Prince Edward, who was not and is not homosexual.  The &#8216;kid&#8217; he was referring to was Prince Andrew, who was at the time a naval officer who had seen combat; Koo Stark had married someone else the year before he and Sarah Ferguson got to be an item.  </p>
<p>What&#8217;s interesting about Bloomberg is the howlers he utters. The subject matter is less consequential than farming.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2020 17:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Point of order! Carville helped KILL the FDR/JFK Democratic Party. Remember “The era of Big Government is over?”&lt;/i&gt;

The ratio of public expenditure to domestic product hasn&#039;t changed much over the last 40-odd years.  We have about as much Big Government as we did when the septuagenarian Carville was 30 years old.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Point of order! Carville helped KILL the FDR/JFK Democratic Party. Remember “The era of Big Government is over?”</i></p>
<p>The ratio of public expenditure to domestic product hasn&#8217;t changed much over the last 40-odd years.  We have about as much Big Government as we did when the septuagenarian Carville was 30 years old.</p>
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		By: MBunge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2020 17:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;He’s waiting for the resurrection of the FDR/JFK/Clinton Democratic Party.&quot;


Point of order!  Carville helped KILL the FDR/JFK Democratic Party.  Remember &quot;The era of Big Government is over?&quot;

Carville is a southern partisan who got angry at the GOP taking over his region, so he helped tear out the heart of the Democratic Party and replaced it with the Clinton machine.  He turned the Democratic Party from one that believed in ideas and principles, even if they were wrong, to one that believed in a man.

But men age and die and, when you put your faith in them, leave a void behind.  Now another man is stepping into that void and Carville has no one to blame for it but himself.

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;He’s waiting for the resurrection of the FDR/JFK/Clinton Democratic Party.&#8221;</p>
<p>Point of order!  Carville helped KILL the FDR/JFK Democratic Party.  Remember &#8220;The era of Big Government is over?&#8221;</p>
<p>Carville is a southern partisan who got angry at the GOP taking over his region, so he helped tear out the heart of the Democratic Party and replaced it with the Clinton machine.  He turned the Democratic Party from one that believed in ideas and principles, even if they were wrong, to one that believed in a man.</p>
<p>But men age and die and, when you put your faith in them, leave a void behind.  Now another man is stepping into that void and Carville has no one to blame for it but himself.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2020 23:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know the royals well at all but did think the &quot;fat&quot; reference may have been to the Diana contemporary who did adverts for Weight Watchers ( I think it was W.W., but maybe another Co.?). Sorry I don&#039;t know her name. Think she is a ginger though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know the royals well at all but did think the &#8220;fat&#8221; reference may have been to the Diana contemporary who did adverts for Weight Watchers ( I think it was W.W., but maybe another Co.?). Sorry I don&#8217;t know her name. Think she is a ginger though.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2020 22:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo on February 21, 2020 at 10:43 pm said:
R.C.:

Wouldn’t the “horsey-faced lesbian” have been a reference to Princess Anne? She’s not a lesbian (as far as I know), but she’s a bit long-faced and used to ride a lot of horses.
* * *
I thought of her first, but am as confused as RC about the others (and, as the parent of an architect, have not hung my head in shame except for him being associated at long distance with the persons responsible for the general decline of Western building aesthetics -- I&#039;m sending him the lovely hypothetical quote, a btw).

At least Bloomberg didn&#039;t call HRH a pony-faced dog-sailor or some such.
(One of her official titles is Admiral and Chief Commandant of Women in the Royal Navy.)

Here&#039;s a story I didn&#039;t know, but would make a good tv episode:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne%2C_Princess_Royal#Kidnapping_attempt]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo on February 21, 2020 at 10:43 pm said:<br />
R.C.:</p>
<p>Wouldn’t the “horsey-faced lesbian” have been a reference to Princess Anne? She’s not a lesbian (as far as I know), but she’s a bit long-faced and used to ride a lot of horses.<br />
* * *<br />
I thought of her first, but am as confused as RC about the others (and, as the parent of an architect, have not hung my head in shame except for him being associated at long distance with the persons responsible for the general decline of Western building aesthetics &#8212; I&#8217;m sending him the lovely hypothetical quote, a btw).</p>
<p>At least Bloomberg didn&#8217;t call HRH a pony-faced dog-sailor or some such.<br />
(One of her official titles is Admiral and Chief Commandant of Women in the Royal Navy.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a story I didn&#8217;t know, but would make a good tv episode:<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne%2C_Princess_Royal#Kidnapping_attempt" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne%2C_Princess_Royal#Kidnapping_attempt</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2020 04:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo: OT, a few words about Thomas English muffins -- I can&#039;t eat them anymore.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo: OT, a few words about Thomas English muffins &#8212; I can&#8217;t eat them anymore.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2020 04:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Carville is apparently deeply confused, the unadmitted but official position of the democrat party is that America is NOT unique and has never been great.&lt;/i&gt;

Geoffrey Britain: Carville is not confused, just out of place. He&#039;s not a New Left, much less Woke, Democrat and never will be. He&#039;s waiting for the resurrection of the FDR/JFK/Clinton Democratic Party.

Carville is likely mistaken, but not entirely. I&#039;m sure there are a lot of &quot;Not Insane&quot; Democrats out there who are hoping the current madness will abate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Carville is apparently deeply confused, the unadmitted but official position of the democrat party is that America is NOT unique and has never been great.</i></p>
<p>Geoffrey Britain: Carville is not confused, just out of place. He&#8217;s not a New Left, much less Woke, Democrat and never will be. He&#8217;s waiting for the resurrection of the FDR/JFK/Clinton Democratic Party.</p>
<p>Carville is likely mistaken, but not entirely. I&#8217;m sure there are a lot of &#8220;Not Insane&#8221; Democrats out there who are hoping the current madness will abate.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[R.C.:

Wouldn&#039;t the &quot;horsey-faced lesbian&quot; have been a reference to Princess Anne?  She&#039;s not a lesbian (as far as I know), but she&#039;s a bit long-faced and used to ride a lot of horses.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.C.:</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t the &#8220;horsey-faced lesbian&#8221; have been a reference to Princess Anne?  She&#8217;s not a lesbian (as far as I know), but she&#8217;s a bit long-faced and used to ride a lot of horses.</p>
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