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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/02/06/there-may-be-an-iowa-recanvass/#comment-2479822</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I&#039;d say that takes care of the &quot;Iowa caucuses.&quot;  

Whatever the &quot;final results&quot; are from this one, they will never be believed, and will just be ignored. 

Next time, I doubt there will be such a thing as the first, the Iowa caucuses that people will pay any attention to.

This was, I understand, among other things, a great moneymaker for Iowa, but after this clusterfunk, I don&#039;t see how this whole thing can be redeemed, and have any credibility at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;d say that takes care of the &#8220;Iowa caucuses.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Whatever the &#8220;final results&#8221; are from this one, they will never be believed, and will just be ignored. </p>
<p>Next time, I doubt there will be such a thing as the first, the Iowa caucuses that people will pay any attention to.</p>
<p>This was, I understand, among other things, a great moneymaker for Iowa, but after this clusterfunk, I don&#8217;t see how this whole thing can be redeemed, and have any credibility at all.</p>
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		By: CaptDMO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;“Enough is enough,” Perez said in a tweet.&quot;
Agreed. 
Iowa results are now to be ignored, in toto. 
Perez, YOU&#039;RE FIRED! And there WILL be an audit.  
WHIFF of Impropriety. HINT of corruption, Mere association with the name &quot;Clinton&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Enough is enough,” Perez said in a tweet.&#8221;<br />
Agreed.<br />
Iowa results are now to be ignored, in toto.<br />
Perez, YOU&#8217;RE FIRED! And there WILL be an audit.<br />
WHIFF of Impropriety. HINT of corruption, Mere association with the name &#8220;Clinton&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 02:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Esther on February 7, 2020 at 12:41 am said:
Seems the Democrats can’t count. Meanwhile, according to a flashy article over at the Atlantic, Trump is now an evil, super genius computer geek with billion dollar tech that will take over the world, bwhahaha —- https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/
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I just finished reading that article, and intend to make a longer comment on the 2020 election thread, but -- bwhahaha indeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esther on February 7, 2020 at 12:41 am said:<br />
Seems the Democrats can’t count. Meanwhile, according to a flashy article over at the Atlantic, Trump is now an evil, super genius computer geek with billion dollar tech that will take over the world, bwhahaha —- <a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/03/the-2020-disinformation-war/605530/</a><br />
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I just finished reading that article, and intend to make a longer comment on the 2020 election thread, but &#8212; bwhahaha indeed.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 00:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay on February 7, 2020 at 11:58 am said:	
&lt;b&gt;Gringo, I think it was 2011 or so when Bernie was talking about how wonderful Chavez and Venezuela is. The guy can’t help himself from sucking up to dictators.&lt;/b&gt;

Yes, it was 2011.,&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-America&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Close The Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who&#039;s the banana republic now?   &lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;Even in 2011, when Hugo was still alive and oil was still around $100/BBL, a little digging into databases would show that Chavista Venezuela&#039;s economic growth was far below that of the rest of the world- even with the hundreds of billions of oil revenue. Similarly, even with the brouhaha about the Missions, improvements in education and healthcare  were about average or less compared to other countries. Which makes Bernie a knave or a fool? I vote for fool.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay on February 7, 2020 at 11:58 am said:<br />
<b>Gringo, I think it was 2011 or so when Bernie was talking about how wonderful Chavez and Venezuela is. The guy can’t help himself from sucking up to dictators.</b></p>
<p>Yes, it was 2011.,<a href="https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-America" rel="nofollow">Close The Gaps: Disparities That Threaten America</a></p>
<blockquote><p><i>These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who&#8217;s the banana republic now?   </i> </p></blockquote>
<p>Even in 2011, when Hugo was still alive and oil was still around $100/BBL, a little digging into databases would show that Chavista Venezuela&#8217;s economic growth was far below that of the rest of the world- even with the hundreds of billions of oil revenue. Similarly, even with the brouhaha about the Missions, improvements in education and healthcare  were about average or less compared to other countries. Which makes Bernie a knave or a fool? I vote for fool.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2020 21:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley on February 7, 2020 at 3:41 pm said:
never do something malicious so well you cant pretend it was stupid…

Artfldgr: I like it!
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Second the motion.

Plus, there are some other corollaries that follow yours:
(1) if you are trying to pretend you are stupid (rather than malicious), if helps if you aren&#039;t actually stupid;
(2) if the malicious things you are doing look convincingly stupid, there&#039;s a chance they won&#039;t be very effective.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley on February 7, 2020 at 3:41 pm said:<br />
never do something malicious so well you cant pretend it was stupid…</p>
<p>Artfldgr: I like it!<br />
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Second the motion.</p>
<p>Plus, there are some other corollaries that follow yours:<br />
(1) if you are trying to pretend you are stupid (rather than malicious), if helps if you aren&#8217;t actually stupid;<br />
(2) if the malicious things you are doing look convincingly stupid, there&#8217;s a chance they won&#8217;t be very effective.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2020 21:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For all those razors, we need a grindstone.

&lt;em&gt;Non illegitimi carborundum.&lt;/em&gt;

The Grammar Maven warns us that this is not legitimate Latin, but you get the idea.

I first heard the phrase, in the format I quoted, from the president of my college&#039;s Republican students&#039; association during the McGovern-Nixon election, and repeated frequently during the Watergate years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum

Not that he particularly &lt;em&gt;liked &lt;/em&gt;Nixon, and I voted for McGovern (being one of the LIVs of the day; I repented not long thereafter), but it didn&#039;t seem right to him to have the Dems pile onto a landslide winner so strongly.  Turns out, the piling on really was unfair; lots of debunking stories are circling the webz.

https://politicsandprosperity.com/2019/08/09/did-nixon-get-a-bum-rap/

I had forgotten this was the FIRST election with the younger voting age; I suspect the Dems thought it would work to their advantage, or they never would have allowed it.

&quot;Nixon received almost 18 million more votes than McGovern, and he holds the record for the widest popular vote margin in any United States presidential election. The 1972 presidential election was the first since the ratification of the 26th Amendment, which lowered the voting age from 21 to 18.&quot; - Wikipedia

&quot;The Twenty-sixth Amendment (Amendment XXVI) to the United States Constitution prohibits the states and the federal government from using age as a reason for denying the right to vote to citizens of the United States who are at least eighteen years old. It was proposed by Congress on March 23, 1971, and ratified on July 1, 1971, the quickest ratification of an amendment in history.

This amendment was important to the Student [&lt;em&gt;activist protest anti-war&lt;/em&gt;] Movement because they declared that if they were old enough to be drafted into a war they were against, then they should be old enough to vote against and have a voice in their government.[1]&quot; - Wikipedia

I actually agree with that reasoning in abstract, but would have preferred raising the draft age to 21.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all those razors, we need a grindstone.</p>
<p><em>Non illegitimi carborundum.</em></p>
<p>The Grammar Maven warns us that this is not legitimate Latin, but you get the idea.</p>
<p>I first heard the phrase, in the format I quoted, from the president of my college&#8217;s Republican students&#8217; association during the McGovern-Nixon election, and repeated frequently during the Watergate years.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegitimi_non_carborundum</a></p>
<p>Not that he particularly <em>liked </em>Nixon, and I voted for McGovern (being one of the LIVs of the day; I repented not long thereafter), but it didn&#8217;t seem right to him to have the Dems pile onto a landslide winner so strongly.  Turns out, the piling on really was unfair; lots of debunking stories are circling the webz.</p>
<p><a href="https://politicsandprosperity.com/2019/08/09/did-nixon-get-a-bum-rap/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://politicsandprosperity.com/2019/08/09/did-nixon-get-a-bum-rap/</a></p>
<p>I had forgotten this was the FIRST election with the younger voting age; I suspect the Dems thought it would work to their advantage, or they never would have allowed it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Nixon received almost 18 million more votes than McGovern, and he holds the record for the widest popular vote margin in any United States presidential election. The 1972 presidential election was the first since the ratification of the 26th Amendment, which lowered the voting age from 21 to 18.&#8221; &#8211; Wikipedia</p>
<p>&#8220;The Twenty-sixth Amendment (Amendment XXVI) to the United States Constitution prohibits the states and the federal government from using age as a reason for denying the right to vote to citizens of the United States who are at least eighteen years old. It was proposed by Congress on March 23, 1971, and ratified on July 1, 1971, the quickest ratification of an amendment in history.</p>
<p>This amendment was important to the Student [<em>activist protest anti-war</em>] Movement because they declared that if they were old enough to be drafted into a war they were against, then they should be old enough to vote against and have a voice in their government.[1]&#8221; &#8211; Wikipedia</p>
<p>I actually agree with that reasoning in abstract, but would have preferred raising the draft age to 21.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2020 20:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;never do something malicious so well you cant pretend it was stupid…&lt;/i&gt;

Artfldgr: I like it!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>never do something malicious so well you cant pretend it was stupid…</i></p>
<p>Artfldgr: I like it!</p>
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		By: I R A Darth Aggie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2020 17:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The Accuvote machines used by most towns to count ballots can’t be hacked because they aren’t online.&lt;/i&gt;

This is not a lie but also not true. Anyone with an adequate skill set and &lt;i&gt;unsupervised physical access&lt;/i&gt; can hack the machine. A proficient person might even add in a wireless access point so &quot;upgrades&quot; can be done the fly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The Accuvote machines used by most towns to count ballots can’t be hacked because they aren’t online.</i></p>
<p>This is not a lie but also not true. Anyone with an adequate skill set and <i>unsupervised physical access</i> can hack the machine. A proficient person might even add in a wireless access point so &#8220;upgrades&#8221; can be done the fly.</p>
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		By: Hereogar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2020 17:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hereogar&#039;s Razor: Never let the evil ba*****s hide behind a claim of simple incompetence.

@Bernie: Hey bro! You won but your delegates get spread out to everyone equally. Isn&#039;t that, like, you know, socialism?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hereogar&#8217;s Razor: Never let the evil ba*****s hide behind a claim of simple incompetence.</p>
<p>@Bernie: Hey bro! You won but your delegates get spread out to everyone equally. Isn&#8217;t that, like, you know, socialism?</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2020 16:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gringo,   I think it was 2011 or so when Bernie was talking about how wonderful Chavez and Venezuela is.  The guy can&#039;t help himself from sucking up to dictators.

huxley,   I read Tom Swift, Doc Savage (ha!), and various mysteries.  So there&#039;s plot on polling in the Hardy Bros. (Boys?) books.  Interesting.  There&#039;s a mediocre film noir entitled &quot;The Fearmakers&quot; (1958) about the early days of rigged polls.  Interesting plot, and a good Dana Andrews performance, but low production quality.

Liz,   Good for Oklahoma.  I&#039;ve read that photo ID requirements are not particularly helpful as most illegal immigrants have fake ones.  The other items you mention are definitely impressive, though I&#039;ve thought that mail-in ballots are always corruptible.  I&#039;ll bet those measures make a big dent in the problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gringo,   I think it was 2011 or so when Bernie was talking about how wonderful Chavez and Venezuela is.  The guy can&#8217;t help himself from sucking up to dictators.</p>
<p>huxley,   I read Tom Swift, Doc Savage (ha!), and various mysteries.  So there&#8217;s plot on polling in the Hardy Bros. (Boys?) books.  Interesting.  There&#8217;s a mediocre film noir entitled &#8220;The Fearmakers&#8221; (1958) about the early days of rigged polls.  Interesting plot, and a good Dana Andrews performance, but low production quality.</p>
<p>Liz,   Good for Oklahoma.  I&#8217;ve read that photo ID requirements are not particularly helpful as most illegal immigrants have fake ones.  The other items you mention are definitely impressive, though I&#8217;ve thought that mail-in ballots are always corruptible.  I&#8217;ll bet those measures make a big dent in the problem.</p>
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