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		By: PUE 206		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Feb 2020 12:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe I missed it, but I watched most of the proceedings. I’m surprised I didn’t hear the following argument in the In either deliberative body. “The president is the chief law enforcement officer and we have an crime prevention/anti-corruption treaty with Ukraine. The Bidens behavior, while not strictly illegal on it’s face, smells less like impropriety and more like criminality. Ergo the president has the right and obligation to ask Ukraine to investigate what went on in their country. I mean come on people, even the former VP is not above the law.”]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I missed it, but I watched most of the proceedings. I’m surprised I didn’t hear the following argument in the In either deliberative body. “The president is the chief law enforcement officer and we have an crime prevention/anti-corruption treaty with Ukraine. The Bidens behavior, while not strictly illegal on it’s face, smells less like impropriety and more like criminality. Ergo the president has the right and obligation to ask Ukraine to investigate what went on in their country. I mean come on people, even the former VP is not above the law.”</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/02/05/the-senate-votes-against-removal/#comment-2479640</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BUT we don&#039;t have to invite Mitt to our next Tea Party, either!

I did kind of laugh at this knee-jerk boiler-plate, in Romney&#039;s particular case.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/02/05/the-one-tweet-that-captures-why-mitt-romney-is-totally-wrong-fro-betraying-trump-and-the-gop-n2560829
&lt;blockquote&gt; Except that he’s not. Donald Trump Jr. cited a damning Twitter thread by Gregory T. Angelo who noted the years of flip-flopping by Romney, exposing him as the guy &lt;b&gt;who just wants to be invited to the cocktail parties. &lt;/b&gt;


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUT we don&#8217;t have to invite Mitt to our next Tea Party, either!</p>
<p>I did kind of laugh at this knee-jerk boiler-plate, in Romney&#8217;s particular case.</p>
<p><a href="https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/02/05/the-one-tweet-that-captures-why-mitt-romney-is-totally-wrong-fro-betraying-trump-and-the-gop-n2560829" rel="nofollow ugc">https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/02/05/the-one-tweet-that-captures-why-mitt-romney-is-totally-wrong-fro-betraying-trump-and-the-gop-n2560829</a></p>
<blockquote><p> Except that he’s not. Donald Trump Jr. cited a damning Twitter thread by Gregory T. Angelo who noted the years of flip-flopping by Romney, exposing him as the guy <b>who just wants to be invited to the cocktail parties. </b></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/02/05/the-senate-votes-against-removal/#comment-2479639</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;There isn&#039;t a damn thing conservative about it.&quot; - Doc Zero

Actually, there is, and I thought quite seriously about that last night.

There has been a lot of grousing about Romney&#039;s religious principles being a cover for some less than admirable personal motives, and maybe that is true -- I don&#039;t claim to know, &lt;em&gt;and no one else does either.&lt;/em&gt;

First conservative principle on exhibit:
We just fought a three-year battle with the Democrats over the distinction, legally and politically, between the actual things that President (and even candidate) Trump DID, and what &lt;em&gt;they claimed&lt;/em&gt;he was thinking when he did it. They would even oppose things he did that they formerly approved of, because of &quot;seeing into&quot; his mind and motives.

Criticize the optics of Romney&#039;s vote, and its almost tangible political consequences, all you want: I&#039;ll join in.
But I won&#039;t reach into someone else&#039;s heart to try and discern their &quot;real&quot; reasons.

Second conservative principle on exhibit:
I&#039;ve put money into Jack Phillips&#039; funds for fighting the court battles that erupted over the wedding cake ambush; some of you have too. We are defending his right to practice his religious principles even if that looks like what other people choose to call &quot;discrimination&quot; -- it isn&#039;t -- and his battle is not the only one being fought in the courts of law and social media.

However, to turn around and castigate Romney, or anyone else, for voting according to his personal interpretation of his personal religious principles is not a very conservative thing to do.

We cannot, as conservatives, champion an ideological value &lt;em&gt;only &lt;/em&gt; when we approve of the results.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There isn&#8217;t a damn thing conservative about it.&#8221; &#8211; Doc Zero</p>
<p>Actually, there is, and I thought quite seriously about that last night.</p>
<p>There has been a lot of grousing about Romney&#8217;s religious principles being a cover for some less than admirable personal motives, and maybe that is true &#8212; I don&#8217;t claim to know, <em>and no one else does either.</em></p>
<p>First conservative principle on exhibit:<br />
We just fought a three-year battle with the Democrats over the distinction, legally and politically, between the actual things that President (and even candidate) Trump DID, and what <em>they claimed</em>he was thinking when he did it. They would even oppose things he did that they formerly approved of, because of &#8220;seeing into&#8221; his mind and motives.</p>
<p>Criticize the optics of Romney&#8217;s vote, and its almost tangible political consequences, all you want: I&#8217;ll join in.<br />
But I won&#8217;t reach into someone else&#8217;s heart to try and discern their &#8220;real&#8221; reasons.</p>
<p>Second conservative principle on exhibit:<br />
I&#8217;ve put money into Jack Phillips&#8217; funds for fighting the court battles that erupted over the wedding cake ambush; some of you have too. We are defending his right to practice his religious principles even if that looks like what other people choose to call &#8220;discrimination&#8221; &#8212; it isn&#8217;t &#8212; and his battle is not the only one being fought in the courts of law and social media.</p>
<p>However, to turn around and castigate Romney, or anyone else, for voting according to his personal interpretation of his personal religious principles is not a very conservative thing to do.</p>
<p>We cannot, as conservatives, champion an ideological value <em>only </em> when we approve of the results.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/02/05/the-senate-votes-against-removal/#comment-2479636</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 23:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Doc Zero puts forward a solid case criticizing Romney&#039;s vote.
I won&#039;t get into mind and motive conjectures, but the consequences are undeniable.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1225422247751495681.html

&lt;blockquote&gt; This isn&#039;t some abstract discussion. This isn&#039;t a daydream about how you wish somebody else ran a better race in 2016, or 2012. This is here and now, real life, with enormous stakes and consequences. The salient fact about Trump isn&#039;t that he&#039;s imperfect. It&#039;s that he&#039;s THERE. 
There is no respectable &quot;conservative principle&quot; in helping the Dems with their ridiculous impeachment sham. There isn&#039;t even a decent conservative principle in setting up all future presidents of all parties to get impeached by the opposition for subjective &quot;abuse of power.&quot; 
And there most certainly isn&#039;t some chattering-class &quot;principle&quot; that&#039;s worth condemning America to rule by socialists to score some kind of pissy little point against Donald Trump. Nobody wants to read your True Conservative case for putting Bernie Sanders in the Oval Office. 
Trump did a good job of laying out the principles that really matter in his SOTU. He provided a list of everything the Dems will destroy if they get the chance. Mitt Romney did what he could to help them get their chance. There isn&#039;t a damn thing conservative about it. /end 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doc Zero puts forward a solid case criticizing Romney&#8217;s vote.<br />
I won&#8217;t get into mind and motive conjectures, but the consequences are undeniable.</p>
<p><a href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1225422247751495681.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1225422247751495681.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p> This isn&#8217;t some abstract discussion. This isn&#8217;t a daydream about how you wish somebody else ran a better race in 2016, or 2012. This is here and now, real life, with enormous stakes and consequences. The salient fact about Trump isn&#8217;t that he&#8217;s imperfect. It&#8217;s that he&#8217;s THERE.<br />
There is no respectable &#8220;conservative principle&#8221; in helping the Dems with their ridiculous impeachment sham. There isn&#8217;t even a decent conservative principle in setting up all future presidents of all parties to get impeached by the opposition for subjective &#8220;abuse of power.&#8221;<br />
And there most certainly isn&#8217;t some chattering-class &#8220;principle&#8221; that&#8217;s worth condemning America to rule by socialists to score some kind of pissy little point against Donald Trump. Nobody wants to read your True Conservative case for putting Bernie Sanders in the Oval Office.<br />
Trump did a good job of laying out the principles that really matter in his SOTU. He provided a list of everything the Dems will destroy if they get the chance. Mitt Romney did what he could to help them get their chance. There isn&#8217;t a damn thing conservative about it. /end
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/02/05/the-senate-votes-against-removal/#comment-2479633</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Obviously, the end of the impeachment trial does not mean the end of that strategy. For Democrats, the aim has not changed: End the Trump presidency as soon as possible.

The tactics will need rethinking, though.&quot; - McCarthy (at The Hill, h/t Barry &#038; PowerLine)

RTWT - it&#039;s really kind of scary to think about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obviously, the end of the impeachment trial does not mean the end of that strategy. For Democrats, the aim has not changed: End the Trump presidency as soon as possible.</p>
<p>The tactics will need rethinking, though.&#8221; &#8211; McCarthy (at The Hill, h/t Barry &amp; PowerLine)</p>
<p>RTWT &#8211; it&#8217;s really kind of scary to think about.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/02/05/the-senate-votes-against-removal/#comment-2479632</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate on February 6, 2020 at 12:54 pm said:
An actual constructive idea from Sen. Rick Scott today, who proposes a constitutional amendment to require a 60% supermajority in the House to impeach the president.
* * *
That was pretty much the first thing AesopSpouse suggested when the impeachment articles were voted on.
I would support it as well, and preferably a higher rate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate on February 6, 2020 at 12:54 pm said:<br />
An actual constructive idea from Sen. Rick Scott today, who proposes a constitutional amendment to require a 60% supermajority in the House to impeach the president.<br />
* * *<br />
That was pretty much the first thing AesopSpouse suggested when the impeachment articles were voted on.<br />
I would support it as well, and preferably a higher rate.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/02/05/the-senate-votes-against-removal/#comment-2479631</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 22:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Grey on February 6, 2020 at 7:11 am said:
...
Given how Obama did all the abuses Trump is being accused of, I’m still glad I voted for Mitt in 2012, but my esteem for him as a person has gone way down. He’s too good at fooling himself, tho most smart folks are quite good at that.

Humans mostly make decisions from their hearts, emotionally, then use their brains to rationalize those decisions. With words to claim the decision was based on reason, when it was really based on emotion. Mittens is no better.
* * *
Also ditto.
I suspect, based on his history with Trump, there was a lot of confirmation bias operating here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Grey on February 6, 2020 at 7:11 am said:<br />
&#8230;<br />
Given how Obama did all the abuses Trump is being accused of, I’m still glad I voted for Mitt in 2012, but my esteem for him as a person has gone way down. He’s too good at fooling himself, tho most smart folks are quite good at that.</p>
<p>Humans mostly make decisions from their hearts, emotionally, then use their brains to rationalize those decisions. With words to claim the decision was based on reason, when it was really based on emotion. Mittens is no better.<br />
* * *<br />
Also ditto.<br />
I suspect, based on his history with Trump, there was a lot of confirmation bias operating here.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Esther
&lt;b&gt;As of yesterday, Doug Jones has been furiously clogging my email and Facebook feed with spam. Maybe if I finally change my registration it would reduce the spam.&lt;/b&gt;
He has as much chance of being reelected as Trump does of winning San Francisco.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esther<br />
<b>As of yesterday, Doug Jones has been furiously clogging my email and Facebook feed with spam. Maybe if I finally change my registration it would reduce the spam.</b><br />
He has as much chance of being reelected as Trump does of winning San Francisco.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 19:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Recalls are only proper ...”

“Proper” is not the same as legal or constitutional.  Nevertheless the US Constitution is quite clear, both before and after the 17th amendment, that senators are chosen for a term of six years.  The only exception is that either the House or the Senate may expel one of its members on a two-thirds vote.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Recalls are only proper &#8230;”</p>
<p>“Proper” is not the same as legal or constitutional.  Nevertheless the US Constitution is quite clear, both before and after the 17th amendment, that senators are chosen for a term of six years.  The only exception is that either the House or the Senate may expel one of its members on a two-thirds vote.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Andrew McCarthy explains why it isn&#039;t over:
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/481787-impeachment-is-over-or-is-it
H/T Powerline blog]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew McCarthy explains why it isn&#8217;t over:<br />
<a href="https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/481787-impeachment-is-over-or-is-it" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/481787-impeachment-is-over-or-is-it</a><br />
H/T Powerline blog</p>
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