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		By: Sarah Rolph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Rolph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Feb 2020 15:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good points, AesopFan!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points, AesopFan!</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2020 08:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sarah - Neo&#039;s post about Sartre and de Beauvoir, with the comments, kidn of addresses your question.  Sometimes, individuals taking great liberties really is destructive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah &#8211; Neo&#8217;s post about Sartre and de Beauvoir, with the comments, kidn of addresses your question.  Sometimes, individuals taking great liberties really is destructive.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2020 07:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sarah Rolph on February 4, 2020 at 12:35 pm said:
...
On the topic of the overall post,&lt;b&gt; I am finally old enough to understand that there is a difference between what is fine for any given individual and what is good for society.&lt;/b&gt; Things I argued for in the past on the basis of liberty, I now see as destructive. But I don’t claim to know what to do about this!

Is it both? Is there a balance? Is there a cycle?
* * *
There is definitely a cycle; there needs to be a balance for social stability.
Keeping that balance takes a lot of familial and community Tough Love.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah Rolph on February 4, 2020 at 12:35 pm said:<br />
&#8230;<br />
On the topic of the overall post,<b> I am finally old enough to understand that there is a difference between what is fine for any given individual and what is good for society.</b> Things I argued for in the past on the basis of liberty, I now see as destructive. But I don’t claim to know what to do about this!</p>
<p>Is it both? Is there a balance? Is there a cycle?<br />
* * *<br />
There is definitely a cycle; there needs to be a balance for social stability.<br />
Keeping that balance takes a lot of familial and community Tough Love.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2020 07:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Grey - the slippery slope is of ancient lineage.

“Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
As to be hated needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”

? Alexander Pope]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Grey &#8211; the slippery slope is of ancient lineage.</p>
<p>“Vice is a monster of so frightful mien<br />
As to be hated needs but to be seen;<br />
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,<br />
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”</p>
<p>? Alexander Pope</p>
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		By: Philip		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Feb 2020 05:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The name of John Schlitt cropping up in a thread! Wow!! Never thought I&#039;d see that. I still have the occasional fond memory of _Beyond Belief_, and for a little while enjoyed his first solo album. My goodness, that was a long time ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name of John Schlitt cropping up in a thread! Wow!! Never thought I&#8217;d see that. I still have the occasional fond memory of _Beyond Belief_, and for a little while enjoyed his first solo album. My goodness, that was a long time ago.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2020 21:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reagan&#039;s divorce was out of his control, and in his remarriage I understand he was faithful.  But that&#039;s the way of any &quot;slippery slope&quot;, isn&#039;t it?
The first step, accepting divorce and divorced people, starts with these clear cases which should be accepted.
Like Elvis gyrating, and rock being called &quot;the fertility rites of the jungle&quot;.

It gets slippery from there on down...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reagan&#8217;s divorce was out of his control, and in his remarriage I understand he was faithful.  But that&#8217;s the way of any &#8220;slippery slope&#8221;, isn&#8217;t it?<br />
The first step, accepting divorce and divorced people, starts with these clear cases which should be accepted.<br />
Like Elvis gyrating, and rock being called &#8220;the fertility rites of the jungle&#8221;.</p>
<p>It gets slippery from there on down&#8230;</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2020 20:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjrdywp5nyE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is Lady Gaga&#039;s 2017 Superbowl performance.&lt;/a&gt;

The first minute is surprisingly nice and even politically incorrect.  How dare she violate the separation between church and football.  The rest is a little trashy and sexually charged, but overall much better than the Shakira/Lopez performance IMHO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjrdywp5nyE" rel="nofollow">Here is Lady Gaga&#8217;s 2017 Superbowl performance.</a></p>
<p>The first minute is surprisingly nice and even politically incorrect.  How dare she violate the separation between church and football.  The rest is a little trashy and sexually charged, but overall much better than the Shakira/Lopez performance IMHO.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2020 19:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People&#039;s ability to compartmentalize their thoughts is unlimited.  Feminists complain about &quot;objectifying&quot; and &quot;sexualizing&quot; women and simultaneously laud J-Lo and Shakira&#039;s simulated sex show:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/02/03/super-bowl-halftime-why-jennifer-lopez-shakiras-performance-empowering/4643848002/

Note that this reviewer praises Shakira&#039;s belly dancing.  I wonder if she knows that belly dancing was used by slave girls and concubines (I&#039;m not really sure where the dividing line is, so don&#039;t ask me) to garner their master&#039;s favor.  I doubt it.  (Don&#039;t get me wrong -- I love to watch belly dancing, but at least I know what it&#039;s all about.)

As far as Madonna is concerned, she went to Michigan as a dance major.  Need I say more?  Go green!  Go white!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People&#8217;s ability to compartmentalize their thoughts is unlimited.  Feminists complain about &#8220;objectifying&#8221; and &#8220;sexualizing&#8221; women and simultaneously laud J-Lo and Shakira&#8217;s simulated sex show:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/02/03/super-bowl-halftime-why-jennifer-lopez-shakiras-performance-empowering/4643848002/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2020/02/03/super-bowl-halftime-why-jennifer-lopez-shakiras-performance-empowering/4643848002/</a></p>
<p>Note that this reviewer praises Shakira&#8217;s belly dancing.  I wonder if she knows that belly dancing was used by slave girls and concubines (I&#8217;m not really sure where the dividing line is, so don&#8217;t ask me) to garner their master&#8217;s favor.  I doubt it.  (Don&#8217;t get me wrong &#8212; I love to watch belly dancing, but at least I know what it&#8217;s all about.)</p>
<p>As far as Madonna is concerned, she went to Michigan as a dance major.  Need I say more?  Go green!  Go white!</p>
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		By: R.C.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R.C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2020 19:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, you say,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Madonna (whom I’ve always found coldly repellent...)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That&#039;s because she &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; coldly repellent. The reaction is in you, but it&#039;s a reaction to something objectively present in her.

Some folk are insensate to this aspect of Madonna; they suffer from a kind of tone-deafness. Intuitive awareness of What&#039;s Wrong With Madonna naturally varies from person to person, but any person&#039;s natural awareness can be destroyed over time by repeated exposure to ugly, meaningless, brutalist, joyless stimuli. (If you&#039;d done nothing but drink acid for years, you&#039;d no longer be able to taste food properly. Same thing.)

Neo, I&#039;d guess you&#039;re still sensitive because your tastes have been sufficiently-educated by exposure to good ballet, music that features real melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic interest, skillfully-rendered representational art, attractive buildings, and the like. Maybe even good poetry and literature.

In short, you have sufficient prior exposure to the transcendentals (truth, goodness, and beauty) that you can still see, hear, and in a certain intellectual sense, &lt;i&gt;smell&lt;/i&gt; what&#039;s wrong with Madonna.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, you say,</p>
<blockquote><p>Madonna (whom I’ve always found coldly repellent&#8230;)</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s because she <i>is</i> coldly repellent. The reaction is in you, but it&#8217;s a reaction to something objectively present in her.</p>
<p>Some folk are insensate to this aspect of Madonna; they suffer from a kind of tone-deafness. Intuitive awareness of What&#8217;s Wrong With Madonna naturally varies from person to person, but any person&#8217;s natural awareness can be destroyed over time by repeated exposure to ugly, meaningless, brutalist, joyless stimuli. (If you&#8217;d done nothing but drink acid for years, you&#8217;d no longer be able to taste food properly. Same thing.)</p>
<p>Neo, I&#8217;d guess you&#8217;re still sensitive because your tastes have been sufficiently-educated by exposure to good ballet, music that features real melodic, harmonic, and rhythmic interest, skillfully-rendered representational art, attractive buildings, and the like. Maybe even good poetry and literature.</p>
<p>In short, you have sufficient prior exposure to the transcendentals (truth, goodness, and beauty) that you can still see, hear, and in a certain intellectual sense, <i>smell</i> what&#8217;s wrong with Madonna.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Feb 2020 19:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mac&#039;s first comment, up top, mentions Madonna&#039;s &quot;thin little voice.&quot;  She actually caught a great deal of flak from critics about her voice, back in 1983 give or take a year.  She spent a couple years or more with a vocal instructor working on deepening her voice and increasing her range downward.

Not that I&#039;d know, but would the same thing happen today?  Are there any critics that matter?  I suspect that the industry is too far down the tubes to care about any of that.  The producers know how to manufacture a positive media buzz (e.g. Jeb Bush) so who cares.

Neo is correct that Madonna was one of the artists who really commercialized sex in pop music.  Some of it was a little interesting to me in terms of the concepts she was pushing, but the music did not do much for me.  And except for the first few years, she was always very unemotional.

Being unemotional worked well in the film Desperately Seeking Susan (nice work by director Susan Seidelman) because of the contrast with Rosanna Arquette&#039;s highly overwrought character, but that same lack of emotion no doubt killed the movie &quot;Swept Away.&quot;  I never saw it, but it nearly destroyed the director&#039;s (Madonna&#039;s husband) career.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mac&#8217;s first comment, up top, mentions Madonna&#8217;s &#8220;thin little voice.&#8221;  She actually caught a great deal of flak from critics about her voice, back in 1983 give or take a year.  She spent a couple years or more with a vocal instructor working on deepening her voice and increasing her range downward.</p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;d know, but would the same thing happen today?  Are there any critics that matter?  I suspect that the industry is too far down the tubes to care about any of that.  The producers know how to manufacture a positive media buzz (e.g. Jeb Bush) so who cares.</p>
<p>Neo is correct that Madonna was one of the artists who really commercialized sex in pop music.  Some of it was a little interesting to me in terms of the concepts she was pushing, but the music did not do much for me.  And except for the first few years, she was always very unemotional.</p>
<p>Being unemotional worked well in the film Desperately Seeking Susan (nice work by director Susan Seidelman) because of the contrast with Rosanna Arquette&#8217;s highly overwrought character, but that same lack of emotion no doubt killed the movie &#8220;Swept Away.&#8221;  I never saw it, but it nearly destroyed the director&#8217;s (Madonna&#8217;s husband) career.</p>
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