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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/16/the-warren-vs-sanders-show/#comment-2476260</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 19:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;...grassed up...&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve watched enough British mob films to be familiar with it as a term for snitching. I assumed it was from &quot;snake in the grass&quot; but there is a more complicated rhyming slang route from copper -&#062; grasshopper -&#062; grass shopper -&#062; grass.

https://www.tripsavvy.com/meaning-of-grass-in-british-slang-1661909

The truth may never be known.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;grassed up&#8230;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve watched enough British mob films to be familiar with it as a term for snitching. I assumed it was from &#8220;snake in the grass&#8221; but there is a more complicated rhyming slang route from copper -&gt; grasshopper -&gt; grass shopper -&gt; grass.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.tripsavvy.com/meaning-of-grass-in-british-slang-1661909" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.tripsavvy.com/meaning-of-grass-in-british-slang-1661909</a></p>
<p>The truth may never be known.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/16/the-warren-vs-sanders-show/#comment-2476250</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 19:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[By the way, one of the biggest elements (in the psychological sense) for the sons is that apparently, according to their own description, they were taken to say goodbye to their parents on the day before or the day of the execution. The boys were 6 and 10.  That already is trauma beyond imagining, for most people - for children to be in that position.

On top of it, the parents reassured the boys, in that final meeting, that the parents were completely innocent.

I believe that scene had a huge effect on what the sons did after, in terms of believing their parents&#039; innocence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, one of the biggest elements (in the psychological sense) for the sons is that apparently, according to their own description, they were taken to say goodbye to their parents on the day before or the day of the execution. The boys were 6 and 10.  That already is trauma beyond imagining, for most people &#8211; for children to be in that position.</p>
<p>On top of it, the parents reassured the boys, in that final meeting, that the parents were completely innocent.</p>
<p>I believe that scene had a huge effect on what the sons did after, in terms of believing their parents&#8217; innocence.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/16/the-warren-vs-sanders-show/#comment-2476248</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 19:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kai Akker:

&quot;Gassed up&quot; was a typo on my part.  The correct expression is &quot;grassed up.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kai Akker:</p>
<p>&#8220;Gassed up&#8221; was a typo on my part.  The correct expression is &#8220;grassed up.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/16/the-warren-vs-sanders-show/#comment-2476200</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 17:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;but you know that many people the boys would have trusted (or hoped to trust) would have been offering assurances and reassurances, &lt;/i&gt;

Cue George Costanza.  &quot;It isn&#039;t a lie, Jerry, if you believe it&quot;.  The Schneirs likely knew more minutiae about the case than any other party bar Milton / Radosh / Stern.  They defended the Rosenbergs for 30+ years until that was simply unsustainable even for them.  (Robert Nozick, having observed Walter Schneir at a public debate, adjudged the man a fanatic).  It&#039;s a reasonable inference that some of the red haze types the Meeropols interacted with were rather like that prominent figure that Richard John Neuhaus wrote about some years back, the man who told Fr. Neuhaus ca. 1975 that of course Alger Hiss was guilty but we couldn&#039;t hand &#039;them&#039; a victory by acknowledging it explicitly.  However, others undoubtedly were perfectly sincere.  To some extent, that&#039;s the human condition and to some extent that&#039;s how the portside is about everything (because they are overly invested in political disputes).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but you know that many people the boys would have trusted (or hoped to trust) would have been offering assurances and reassurances, </i></p>
<p>Cue George Costanza.  &#8220;It isn&#8217;t a lie, Jerry, if you believe it&#8221;.  The Schneirs likely knew more minutiae about the case than any other party bar Milton / Radosh / Stern.  They defended the Rosenbergs for 30+ years until that was simply unsustainable even for them.  (Robert Nozick, having observed Walter Schneir at a public debate, adjudged the man a fanatic).  It&#8217;s a reasonable inference that some of the red haze types the Meeropols interacted with were rather like that prominent figure that Richard John Neuhaus wrote about some years back, the man who told Fr. Neuhaus ca. 1975 that of course Alger Hiss was guilty but we couldn&#8217;t hand &#8216;them&#8217; a victory by acknowledging it explicitly.  However, others undoubtedly were perfectly sincere.  To some extent, that&#8217;s the human condition and to some extent that&#8217;s how the portside is about everything (because they are overly invested in political disputes).</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/16/the-warren-vs-sanders-show/#comment-2476196</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 17:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Btw, what does your verb “grassing up” mean as you used it?&lt;/i&gt;

Tell the authorities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Btw, what does your verb “grassing up” mean as you used it?</i></p>
<p>Tell the authorities.</p>
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		By: Kai Akker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/16/the-warren-vs-sanders-show/#comment-2476177</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kai Akker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 15:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Btw, what does your verb &quot;grassing up&quot; mean as you used it? I took it for harassing. Neo switched it to gassing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, what does your verb &#8220;grassing up&#8221; mean as you used it? I took it for harassing. Neo switched it to gassing.</p>
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		By: Kai Akker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/16/the-warren-vs-sanders-show/#comment-2476172</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kai Akker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 15:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Then that would explain why Michael was &quot;furious&quot; at Sobell. I don&#039;t doubt your listing, above, Art Deco, but you know that many people the boys would have trusted (or hoped to trust) would have been offering assurances and reassurances, and basing them on whatever spurious authority they could muster. Believing they were doing the boys a favor; helping them cope. And believing that, even if what they told them were not true in fact, it was &quot;true in spirit.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then that would explain why Michael was &#8220;furious&#8221; at Sobell. I don&#8217;t doubt your listing, above, Art Deco, but you know that many people the boys would have trusted (or hoped to trust) would have been offering assurances and reassurances, and basing them on whatever spurious authority they could muster. Believing they were doing the boys a favor; helping them cope. And believing that, even if what they told them were not true in fact, it was &#8220;true in spirit.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/16/the-warren-vs-sanders-show/#comment-2476164</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 15:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Everyone lied to those sons, &lt;/i&gt;

The people who actually knew something 1st hand were Harry Gold, Morton Sobell, Alfred Sarant, Joel Barr, David Greenglass, Ruth Greenglass, and James Weinstein.  The people who received confidential admissions from one of these are a fuzzier batch, but included the lawyers for the accused.  Emmanual Bloch died in 1954; Marshall Perlin lived another 40-odd years, but he was inhibited in what he could tell them because his client (Sobell) was still alive (and the same stricture applied to Harry Gold&#039;s lawyers).  Harry Gold died in 1972; I&#039;d wager neither of the Meeropol brothers crossed paths with him after 1951, if they ever met him at all.  Alfred Sarant and Joel Barr lived the rest of their days in Soviet Russia; I&#039;d wager neither brother ever met either man.  The brothers quite self-consciously &lt;i&gt;rejected&lt;/i&gt; what the Greenglasses had to say.  Weinstein, a quondam Communist who was later editor of &lt;i&gt;In These Times&lt;/i&gt; wasn&#039;t involved in the conspiracy but was a witness to certain things, told what he knew to Radosh and Milton, told what he knew in public fora (e.g. the Townhall debate between Milton / Radosh / Stern and the Schneirs), and gave an interpretation of what he knew; he didn&#039;t lie to them.    You&#039;re really talking about Sobell, here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Everyone lied to those sons, </i></p>
<p>The people who actually knew something 1st hand were Harry Gold, Morton Sobell, Alfred Sarant, Joel Barr, David Greenglass, Ruth Greenglass, and James Weinstein.  The people who received confidential admissions from one of these are a fuzzier batch, but included the lawyers for the accused.  Emmanual Bloch died in 1954; Marshall Perlin lived another 40-odd years, but he was inhibited in what he could tell them because his client (Sobell) was still alive (and the same stricture applied to Harry Gold&#8217;s lawyers).  Harry Gold died in 1972; I&#8217;d wager neither of the Meeropol brothers crossed paths with him after 1951, if they ever met him at all.  Alfred Sarant and Joel Barr lived the rest of their days in Soviet Russia; I&#8217;d wager neither brother ever met either man.  The brothers quite self-consciously <i>rejected</i> what the Greenglasses had to say.  Weinstein, a quondam Communist who was later editor of <i>In These Times</i> wasn&#8217;t involved in the conspiracy but was a witness to certain things, told what he knew to Radosh and Milton, told what he knew in public fora (e.g. the Townhall debate between Milton / Radosh / Stern and the Schneirs), and gave an interpretation of what he knew; he didn&#8217;t lie to them.    You&#8217;re really talking about Sobell, here.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/16/the-warren-vs-sanders-show/#comment-2476126</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 14:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And after this---brief, if fascinating---interlude of Spy vs. Spy, baaaack to....the main feature of this evening&#039;s entertainment: Goofball vs. Shnook (Chinook?)...
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/355280/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And after this&#8212;brief, if fascinating&#8212;interlude of Spy vs. Spy, baaaack to&#8230;.the main feature of this evening&#8217;s entertainment: Goofball vs. Shnook (Chinook?)&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/355280/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/355280/</a></p>
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		By: Kai Akker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/16/the-warren-vs-sanders-show/#comment-2476108</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kai Akker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 13:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And, in fact, there IS that Michael M anecdote in the article on Sobell that Barry linked. Michael is further described there as &quot;furious&quot; at Sobell. As well he should have been, but it wasn&#039;t just with Morton Sobell that he could have been furious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, in fact, there IS that Michael M anecdote in the article on Sobell that Barry linked. Michael is further described there as &#8220;furious&#8221; at Sobell. As well he should have been, but it wasn&#8217;t just with Morton Sobell that he could have been furious.</p>
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