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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard, I think that was my point: it &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; done a week ago. The Supreme Leader is fully aware.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, I think that was my point: it <i>was</i> done a week ago. The Supreme Leader is fully aware.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sdferr -- &lt;i&gt;&quot;How about 6 B-52s stationed at Diego Garcia, say? What about that?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;  -- you&#039;re behind the times, my friend:  Done a week ago.

https://theaviationist.com/2020/01/07/first-two-of-six-b-52-bombers-deploying-to-diego-garcia-amid-growing-tensions-with-iran/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sdferr &#8212; <i>&#8220;How about 6 B-52s stationed at Diego Garcia, say? What about that?&#8221;</i>  &#8212; you&#8217;re behind the times, my friend:  Done a week ago.</p>
<p><a href="https://theaviationist.com/2020/01/07/first-two-of-six-b-52-bombers-deploying-to-diego-garcia-amid-growing-tensions-with-iran/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theaviationist.com/2020/01/07/first-two-of-six-b-52-bombers-deploying-to-diego-garcia-amid-growing-tensions-with-iran/</a></p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 22:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Quite soon we will witness one of the two things: military putch against clerical leadership, like in Mursi Egypt, or massive purges in Army and IRGC.&lt;/i&gt;

I guess massive (&#062;10) purges of popular generals (&#038; colonels) (40%), attempted military coup (30%) (but Suleimani was most likely to pull one off), smaller purge (20%); leaving 10% of other.   Plus some 30% chance of mass killing of protesters (&#062;1000), which overlaps others.

The mullahs will follow Erdogan in Turkey and Maduro in Venezuela. 

Will Iranian Kurds seek more autonomy, with Iraqi Kurd support?
Will Iraqi Shiites purge pro-Iran Iraqis?
Will the mullahs ask for more Chinese help?  Russian help?  and get help?

Lots of questions I&#039;m keeping my eyes open for.

Some stupid anti-American provocation, allowing Trump enough to send some more bombs against Iranian targets?  (20% in the next 3 months, overlapping others).

I see it as very unlikely Trump sending American soldiers into Iran (1%; until AFTER some regime change).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Quite soon we will witness one of the two things: military putch against clerical leadership, like in Mursi Egypt, or massive purges in Army and IRGC.</i></p>
<p>I guess massive (&gt;10) purges of popular generals (&amp; colonels) (40%), attempted military coup (30%) (but Suleimani was most likely to pull one off), smaller purge (20%); leaving 10% of other.   Plus some 30% chance of mass killing of protesters (&gt;1000), which overlaps others.</p>
<p>The mullahs will follow Erdogan in Turkey and Maduro in Venezuela. </p>
<p>Will Iranian Kurds seek more autonomy, with Iraqi Kurd support?<br />
Will Iraqi Shiites purge pro-Iran Iraqis?<br />
Will the mullahs ask for more Chinese help?  Russian help?  and get help?</p>
<p>Lots of questions I&#8217;m keeping my eyes open for.</p>
<p>Some stupid anti-American provocation, allowing Trump enough to send some more bombs against Iranian targets?  (20% in the next 3 months, overlapping others).</p>
<p>I see it as very unlikely Trump sending American soldiers into Iran (1%; until AFTER some regime change).</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Looking around, I see Alireza Nader report that Khamenei will give a sermon at Fri. evening prayers; that he has not done so in 8 years, and only when there is crisis.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking around, I see Alireza Nader report that Khamenei will give a sermon at Fri. evening prayers; that he has not done so in 8 years, and only when there is crisis.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sdferr: Indeed, it is. But the clerics are struggling for their survival now, and being paranoid, suspect everybody in conspiracy to overthrow them. IRGC is the first suspect in such effort. Suleimany was very popular and was allowed to accrue lots of power, but they still were fearing him. His replacement is not so popular with Army, which can refuse to defend him and his structures from political prosecution. Quite soon we will witness one of the two things: military putch against clerical leadership, like in Mursi Egypt, or massive purges in Army and IRGC. Stories told by military and ayatollas diverge with reality: military insist that they did not use live ammunition in supressing protests, but hundreds of protesters show shot wounds. Would clerics believe military and defend them, or will choose to throw them to the wolves to appease the crowds? In 1939 Stalin arrested and killed almost all his generals, as well all Secret Services leadership.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sdferr: Indeed, it is. But the clerics are struggling for their survival now, and being paranoid, suspect everybody in conspiracy to overthrow them. IRGC is the first suspect in such effort. Suleimany was very popular and was allowed to accrue lots of power, but they still were fearing him. His replacement is not so popular with Army, which can refuse to defend him and his structures from political prosecution. Quite soon we will witness one of the two things: military putch against clerical leadership, like in Mursi Egypt, or massive purges in Army and IRGC. Stories told by military and ayatollas diverge with reality: military insist that they did not use live ammunition in supressing protests, but hundreds of protesters show shot wounds. Would clerics believe military and defend them, or will choose to throw them to the wolves to appease the crowds? In 1939 Stalin arrested and killed almost all his generals, as well all Secret Services leadership.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey, doesn&#039;t Khamenei risk pissing off his actual chief enforcement arm in that (show trials) ? The IRGC runs the anti-air missile systems, so it&#039;s their mugs being shamed. I dunno, seems absurdly risky to me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey, doesn&#8217;t Khamenei risk pissing off his actual chief enforcement arm in that (show trials) ? The IRGC runs the anti-air missile systems, so it&#8217;s their mugs being shamed. I dunno, seems absurdly risky to me.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sergey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The chances of Iran going into uncontrollable chaos has greatly rose today when the ruling clerics announced that they were not informed by the military about accidental rocket launch untill Friday, so arrests were made among suspected military officers and a special tribunal installed to trial them. There is an evident split between clerics and military leaders, both trying to shift the blame for this debacle on each other. No special tribunal is needed to scapegoat some low-rank schmuk for a blunder. It is neccesary only for political show trial involving military leadership as accused in gross incompetence or worse, in a deliberate provocation to make government look bad and seize the power. Totalitarian regimes of this type do not go down because of protests themselves if the ruling elites stay united, but only when they are used by one of the factions to bury another.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chances of Iran going into uncontrollable chaos has greatly rose today when the ruling clerics announced that they were not informed by the military about accidental rocket launch untill Friday, so arrests were made among suspected military officers and a special tribunal installed to trial them. There is an evident split between clerics and military leaders, both trying to shift the blame for this debacle on each other. No special tribunal is needed to scapegoat some low-rank schmuk for a blunder. It is neccesary only for political show trial involving military leadership as accused in gross incompetence or worse, in a deliberate provocation to make government look bad and seize the power. Totalitarian regimes of this type do not go down because of protests themselves if the ruling elites stay united, but only when they are used by one of the factions to bury another.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 13:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Goldberg, @rich_goldberg (who recently left Trump&#039;s NSC, with the Iran nuclear issue his particular lookout there) has posted a series of 14 tweets explaining the whys and wherefores of the current state of play on UNSCR 2231 and SnapBack. I&#039;ve condensed them here to a single text, but will leave that in plain text rather than blockquote html, quoted by asterisks, (with bracketed numbering of each tweet added by me). Goldberg&#039;s summation is thorough and clear, I think. 

.............. ............. ............ ............. ................ ............... .............. .............

Richard Goldberg, @rich_goldberg:

*** #Iran must not be allowed to have its nuclear cake and eat its sunsets too. That is the phrase you’ll hear me use over and over, and it is the reason the snapback of UNSCR 2231 needs to happen as soon as possible. Let me explain in the context of today’s announcement by the E3. [1] Following the US decision to impose maximum pressure by ending oil sanctions exceptions, #Iran launched multiple lines of effort to push back on US pressure to gain sanctions relief by trying to influence American and European politics without triggering a war. [2] The one we focus on the most right now is non-attributable violent attacks like limpet mines in the Gulf, the cruise missile attack on Saudi and the more recent activity in Iraq that prompted the kinetic response from @realDonaldTrump to restore deterrence, which he largely has. [3] The other is the nuclear front. Slowly breaching every limit of the #IranDeal #JCPOA to drive the Europeans crazy, give @brhodes a talking point for 2020, pressure @realDonaldTrump to relieve sanctions pressure and - in their own mind - gain some bargaining chips ahead of talks. [4] That #Iran is able to breach its JCPOA nuclear limits - enriching uranium above 3.67%, increasing its low enriched uranium stockpile, testing advanced centrifuges, restarting enrichment at Fordow &#038; increasing its heavy water stockpile - tells us how horrible the JCPOA was. [5] Leaving #Iran with turnkey nuclear capabilities ready to emerge at any moment to threaten international peace and security was a fatal mistake of the JCPOA. The sunsets were pouring lemon juice on an open cut, as if the deal couldn’t have gotten worse but did. [6] Maximum pressure backed by a credible military deterrent remains the only way to force this regime to permanently dismantle all its enrichment &#038; reprocessing related capabilities. You can’t fix this deal by extending sunsets. #Iran has a master sunset clause: any time it wants. [7] And so the question has been, what more can we do while #Iran slowly breaches its nuclear limits to gradually reset its breakout timeline to a pre-JCPOA level ahead of talks, but notably not to far enough to prompt a US or Israeli military attack on its nuclear facilities? [8] Answer: Snapback all UN restrictions and sanctions, ending UNSCR 2231 and restoring all prior UN resolutions instead. That means no enrichment allowed; no ballistic missile testing allowed; no sunsets allowed; arms embargo remains indefinitely beyond October. [9] UNSCR 2231 says that if Iran is in significant non-performance of its JCPOA limits, any original JCPOA participant State can trigger this SnapBack and end the sunsets. The US retains this right at the UN. The E3 obviously does too. The E3 today has taken the first step to do so. [10] Why did the E3 wait since June 2019 to start a process to push #Iran back inside its nuclear commitments or else end its precious sunsets? Weakness, appeasement, personal investments in JCPOA and an initial belief that #Iran would outlast Trump. They were wrong and look feckless. [11] But here we are. The E3 triggering the deal’s dispute mechanism, which should move to the Security Council for a final 30-day clock without delay. No waiting; no delays; no kicking the can. #Iran will play games; but if just one of the E3 wants to end the game, it can do so. [12] The JCPOA echo chamber, like Iran itself, is freaking out. They know this is the beginning of the end of the worst deal in history. They know the sunsets are soon going away. They know the UK is going to #Brexit &#038; could see this through quickly. So they’re downplaying. [13] But make no mistake: Iran should never ever be allowed to have its nuclear cake and eat its sunsets too. If #Iran wants to enrich uranium as it has, it should see its precious sunsets go away. No lifting of the arms embargo this October for such a dangerous regime. END [14] ***]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Goldberg, @rich_goldberg (who recently left Trump&#8217;s NSC, with the Iran nuclear issue his particular lookout there) has posted a series of 14 tweets explaining the whys and wherefores of the current state of play on UNSCR 2231 and SnapBack. I&#8217;ve condensed them here to a single text, but will leave that in plain text rather than blockquote html, quoted by asterisks, (with bracketed numbering of each tweet added by me). Goldberg&#8217;s summation is thorough and clear, I think. </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Richard Goldberg, @rich_goldberg:</p>
<p>*** #Iran must not be allowed to have its nuclear cake and eat its sunsets too. That is the phrase you’ll hear me use over and over, and it is the reason the snapback of UNSCR 2231 needs to happen as soon as possible. Let me explain in the context of today’s announcement by the E3. [1] Following the US decision to impose maximum pressure by ending oil sanctions exceptions, #Iran launched multiple lines of effort to push back on US pressure to gain sanctions relief by trying to influence American and European politics without triggering a war. [2] The one we focus on the most right now is non-attributable violent attacks like limpet mines in the Gulf, the cruise missile attack on Saudi and the more recent activity in Iraq that prompted the kinetic response from @realDonaldTrump to restore deterrence, which he largely has. [3] The other is the nuclear front. Slowly breaching every limit of the #IranDeal #JCPOA to drive the Europeans crazy, give @brhodes a talking point for 2020, pressure @realDonaldTrump to relieve sanctions pressure and &#8211; in their own mind &#8211; gain some bargaining chips ahead of talks. [4] That #Iran is able to breach its JCPOA nuclear limits &#8211; enriching uranium above 3.67%, increasing its low enriched uranium stockpile, testing advanced centrifuges, restarting enrichment at Fordow &amp; increasing its heavy water stockpile &#8211; tells us how horrible the JCPOA was. [5] Leaving #Iran with turnkey nuclear capabilities ready to emerge at any moment to threaten international peace and security was a fatal mistake of the JCPOA. The sunsets were pouring lemon juice on an open cut, as if the deal couldn’t have gotten worse but did. [6] Maximum pressure backed by a credible military deterrent remains the only way to force this regime to permanently dismantle all its enrichment &amp; reprocessing related capabilities. You can’t fix this deal by extending sunsets. #Iran has a master sunset clause: any time it wants. [7] And so the question has been, what more can we do while #Iran slowly breaches its nuclear limits to gradually reset its breakout timeline to a pre-JCPOA level ahead of talks, but notably not to far enough to prompt a US or Israeli military attack on its nuclear facilities? [8] Answer: Snapback all UN restrictions and sanctions, ending UNSCR 2231 and restoring all prior UN resolutions instead. That means no enrichment allowed; no ballistic missile testing allowed; no sunsets allowed; arms embargo remains indefinitely beyond October. [9] UNSCR 2231 says that if Iran is in significant non-performance of its JCPOA limits, any original JCPOA participant State can trigger this SnapBack and end the sunsets. The US retains this right at the UN. The E3 obviously does too. The E3 today has taken the first step to do so. [10] Why did the E3 wait since June 2019 to start a process to push #Iran back inside its nuclear commitments or else end its precious sunsets? Weakness, appeasement, personal investments in JCPOA and an initial belief that #Iran would outlast Trump. They were wrong and look feckless. [11] But here we are. The E3 triggering the deal’s dispute mechanism, which should move to the Security Council for a final 30-day clock without delay. No waiting; no delays; no kicking the can. #Iran will play games; but if just one of the E3 wants to end the game, it can do so. [12] The JCPOA echo chamber, like Iran itself, is freaking out. They know this is the beginning of the end of the worst deal in history. They know the sunsets are soon going away. They know the UK is going to #Brexit &amp; could see this through quickly. So they’re downplaying. [13] But make no mistake: Iran should never ever be allowed to have its nuclear cake and eat its sunsets too. If #Iran wants to enrich uranium as it has, it should see its precious sunsets go away. No lifting of the arms embargo this October for such a dangerous regime. END [14] ***</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 12:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike Doran, @doranimated: &quot;This is big. The Iranians have repeatedly warned—threatened—the Euros not to take this action. It is the first step in a process that, with a little luck, will end in SnapBack, the reimposition of the 6 UNSC resolutions that make Iran’s nuclear program illegal internationally.&quot; 

That was in response to this tweet by laurence norman, @laurnorman : &quot;It&#039;s now official. E3 put out a statement confirming triggering dispute mechanism in #IranDeal.&quot;

https://mobile.twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1217052134727913472

Sooner is better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike Doran, @doranimated: &#8220;This is big. The Iranians have repeatedly warned—threatened—the Euros not to take this action. It is the first step in a process that, with a little luck, will end in SnapBack, the reimposition of the 6 UNSC resolutions that make Iran’s nuclear program illegal internationally.&#8221; </p>
<p>That was in response to this tweet by laurence norman, @laurnorman : &#8220;It&#8217;s now official. E3 put out a statement confirming triggering dispute mechanism in #IranDeal.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1217052134727913472" rel="nofollow ugc">https://mobile.twitter.com/Doranimated/status/1217052134727913472</a></p>
<p>Sooner is better.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Food For Thought Tuesday &#8211; The Laughing Wolf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2020 10:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The world is indeed watching, and not just the Iranian leadership. U.S. leadership, and the leadership of the so-called free world, is being watched as well. The masks are slipping, will they come completely off in the days to come? [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The world is indeed watching, and not just the Iranian leadership. U.S. leadership, and the leadership of the so-called free world, is being watched as well. The masks are slipping, will they come completely off in the days to come? [&#8230;]</p>
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