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		By: Buzzsaw		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/10/susan-hennessey-caught-in-the-crossfire-crossfire/#comment-2474910</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Buzzsaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 23:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Of course the federal govt hired her.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the federal govt hired her.</p>
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		By: Kirk Parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/10/susan-hennessey-caught-in-the-crossfire-crossfire/#comment-2474873</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kirk Parker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 20:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But Brooks is NOT right.  A correct version of his statement would read:

&quot;We have made &lt;i&gt;ourselves&lt;/i&gt; stupid in response to Trump.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Brooks is NOT right.  A correct version of his statement would read:</p>
<p>&#8220;We have made <i>ourselves</i> stupid in response to Trump.&#8221;</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/10/susan-hennessey-caught-in-the-crossfire-crossfire/#comment-2474866</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 19:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mentus:

Yes indeed, &quot;crossfire&quot; can be used metaphorically  to talk about &lt;i&gt;speech&lt;/i&gt; and or &lt;i&gt;debate&lt;/i&gt; and/or &lt;i&gt;argument&lt;/i&gt; or even at times &lt;i&gt;policies&lt;/i&gt;.  But I don&#039;t see anyone saying it &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t ever&lt;/i&gt; be used that way, so it seems to me to be a strawman argument to act as though they are saying that.

As I wrote earlier, though, if a person uses the word &quot;crossfire&quot; &lt;i&gt;to describe a situation with missiles firing and people dead as a result&lt;/i&gt; (as Hennessey used it), then no, it is NOT being used metaphorically.  The crossfire of words doesn&#039;t kill people.  

That example you gave is not analogous to Hennessey&#039;s used of the word &quot;crossfire.&quot;  It would be analogous if those farmers were killed by bullets that Trump had ordered National Guard troops to fire at someone else, and the farmers were standing in the way and got inadvertently hit by stray bullets. In the example you gave, &quot;crossfire&quot; is obviously used in a metaphorical way and there is no firing going on at all and no one is killed - just as, for example, a &quot;trade war&quot; is not a &lt;i&gt;war&lt;/i&gt; in the literal sense of bullet and missiles and bombs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mentus:</p>
<p>Yes indeed, &#8220;crossfire&#8221; can be used metaphorically  to talk about <i>speech</i> and or <i>debate</i> and/or <i>argument</i> or even at times <i>policies</i>.  But I don&#8217;t see anyone saying it <i>can&#8217;t ever</i> be used that way, so it seems to me to be a strawman argument to act as though they are saying that.</p>
<p>As I wrote earlier, though, if a person uses the word &#8220;crossfire&#8221; <i>to describe a situation with missiles firing and people dead as a result</i> (as Hennessey used it), then no, it is NOT being used metaphorically.  The crossfire of words doesn&#8217;t kill people.  </p>
<p>That example you gave is not analogous to Hennessey&#8217;s used of the word &#8220;crossfire.&#8221;  It would be analogous if those farmers were killed by bullets that Trump had ordered National Guard troops to fire at someone else, and the farmers were standing in the way and got inadvertently hit by stray bullets. In the example you gave, &#8220;crossfire&#8221; is obviously used in a metaphorical way and there is no firing going on at all and no one is killed &#8211; just as, for example, a &#8220;trade war&#8221; is not a <i>war</i> in the literal sense of bullet and missiles and bombs.</p>
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		By: Mentus		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/10/susan-hennessey-caught-in-the-crossfire-crossfire/#comment-2474833</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mentus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 07:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; the word crossfire in that phrase &lt;i&gt;implies&lt;/i&gt; that both sides were escalating.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, it doesn’t.

She’s blaming &lt;i&gt;escalation&lt;/i&gt; for  #PS752, not a literal crossfire.

It’s a bad choice of words, since there was also actual, active fire from one of the belligerents.  Now some people refuse to acknowledge the legitimate use of the term as a metaphor.

&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;b&gt;Definition of cross fire&lt;/b&gt;

1a : &lt;s&gt;firing (as in combat) from two or more points so that the lines of fire cross&lt;/s&gt;
b : a situation wherein the forces of opposing factions meet, cross, or clash
&lt;i&gt;caught in a political cross fire&lt;/i&gt;
2 : rapid or heated exchange of words

...

Recent examples on the web:

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As the federal government prepares to roll out $16 billion to help farmers caught in &lt;b&gt;the cross fire of Trump’s trade wars&lt;/b&gt;, Democratic congressmen want fishermen included in the deal.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cross%20fire

Does this mean Trump is literally shooting down farmers?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> the word crossfire in that phrase <i>implies</i> that both sides were escalating.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, it doesn’t.</p>
<p>She’s blaming <i>escalation</i> for  #PS752, not a literal crossfire.</p>
<p>It’s a bad choice of words, since there was also actual, active fire from one of the belligerents.  Now some people refuse to acknowledge the legitimate use of the term as a metaphor.</p>
<blockquote><p> <b>Definition of cross fire</b></p>
<p>1a : <s>firing (as in combat) from two or more points so that the lines of fire cross</s><br />
b : a situation wherein the forces of opposing factions meet, cross, or clash<br />
<i>caught in a political cross fire</i><br />
2 : rapid or heated exchange of words</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>Recent examples on the web:</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<p>As the federal government prepares to roll out $16 billion to help farmers caught in <b>the cross fire of Trump’s trade wars</b>, Democratic congressmen want fishermen included in the deal.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cross%20fire" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cross%20fire</a></p>
<p>Does this mean Trump is literally shooting down farmers?</p>
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		By: GWB		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/10/susan-hennessey-caught-in-the-crossfire-crossfire/#comment-2474805</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GWB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 00:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;huxley on January 10, 2020 at 10:49 pm &lt;strike&gt;said&lt;/strike&gt; [quoted]:&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;em&gt;“Trump has made us all stupid”&lt;/em&gt;
As much as I dislike Brooks, when you&#039;re right... you&#039;re RIGHT!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>huxley on January 10, 2020 at 10:49 pm <strike>said</strike> [quoted]:</em><br />
<em>“Trump has made us all stupid”</em><br />
As much as I dislike Brooks, when you&#8217;re right&#8230; you&#8217;re RIGHT!</p>
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		By: GWB		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/10/susan-hennessey-caught-in-the-crossfire-crossfire/#comment-2474804</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GWB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 00:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Mentus on January 10, 2020 at 7:58 pm &lt;strike&gt;said&lt;/strike&gt; [quoted]:&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;em&gt;killed in the crossfire of reckless escalation.&lt;/em&gt;
Not even arguable. BEcause the word crossfire in that phrase implies that &lt;strong&gt;both sides&lt;/strong&gt; were escalating. And that is demonstrably NOT the case. (Though many certainly were &lt;em&gt;assuming&lt;/em&gt; we were preparing to escalate.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Mentus on January 10, 2020 at 7:58 pm <strike>said</strike> [quoted]:</em><br />
<em>killed in the crossfire of reckless escalation.</em><br />
Not even arguable. BEcause the word crossfire in that phrase implies that <strong>both sides</strong> were escalating. And that is demonstrably NOT the case. (Though many certainly were <em>assuming</em> we were preparing to escalate.)</p>
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		By: GWB		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/10/susan-hennessey-caught-in-the-crossfire-crossfire/#comment-2474803</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GWB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 00:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;sdferr on January 10, 2020 at 4:18 pm said:&lt;/em&gt;	
&lt;em&gt;simultaneous “crossfire”s that popped up on Twitter. So nothing special in that sense.&lt;/em&gt;

Based on what I saw she was the first out of the gate with it.
But it was obviously a talking point that went out, or something that others latched onto.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>sdferr on January 10, 2020 at 4:18 pm said:</em><br />
<em>simultaneous “crossfire”s that popped up on Twitter. So nothing special in that sense.</em></p>
<p>Based on what I saw she was the first out of the gate with it.<br />
But it was obviously a talking point that went out, or something that others latched onto.</p>
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		By: Holly T		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/10/susan-hennessey-caught-in-the-crossfire-crossfire/#comment-2474802</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Holly T]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2020 23:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I remember right, jumpin jack flash was the first or one of the first songs where the stones worked with Mr Jimmy Miller (brother of Times reporter Judith Miller)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember right, jumpin jack flash was the first or one of the first songs where the stones worked with Mr Jimmy Miller (brother of Times reporter Judith Miller)</p>
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		By: Kevin D.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/10/susan-hennessey-caught-in-the-crossfire-crossfire/#comment-2474799</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2020 23:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Rapid or heated exchange of words” don’t blow defenseless commercial aircraft that took off in your own country out of the sky. So there’s that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Rapid or heated exchange of words” don’t blow defenseless commercial aircraft that took off in your own country out of the sky. So there’s that.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2020/01/10/susan-hennessey-caught-in-the-crossfire-crossfire/#comment-2474798</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jan 2020 23:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump is unbelievably lucky in his enemies.  Now the Democrats are acting like defense counsel for Iran. If somehow the Iranians manage to pull down this regime and China has a recession, what will the Democrats do ?  Lie, of course, but they made this a big story when they didn&#039;t have to.  &quot;Those whom the gods would destroy...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump is unbelievably lucky in his enemies.  Now the Democrats are acting like defense counsel for Iran. If somehow the Iranians manage to pull down this regime and China has a recession, what will the Democrats do ?  Lie, of course, but they made this a big story when they didn&#8217;t have to.  &#8220;Those whom the gods would destroy&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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