Yes, good job, Artfl. Interesting points that I haven’t seen before.

In fact your whole set of comments today rings the bell. Thanks very much.

control wants to withold and pick and choose winners and losers
opennesss is willing to let the dice of competition decide” – Artfldgr

The only thing I see lacking in your spot-on analysis is the point that not all the “controllers” are in the Russian’s orbital frame.

The benefit of the analysis i gave is that it has little to do with rumor, the press opinions, emotions, etc… it does ask qui bono, but it does not make assumptions about which is getting it as every player gets something depending on whether their angle works out or not… if russia ‘wins’ the play or meneuver, they do better… if the US foils them in favor of the smaller people, benefits shifts to that (but not necessarily monetary or as much as the instigator)

when asking qui bono one has to realize that all people or players in the game are there for that… but some are offensive and acting to it, the others are defensive or negative and not necessarily seeking benefit the same way.

but for the most part, this is economics and outcomes on a big scale and for the benefit of many not the few, and so, the selfish points of most writers of articles make no sense… the kuwait war was about oil? not really.. or not really the way they were saying it… same with the gulf war for the US.. which takes no countries or land or keeps its occupation… nor does it impose a “we won you cant do business with them rule”… so the US benefits are the invisable hand… which left has always denied exists despite its old time reliance on metaphysical concepts.

you have to scope out the players… the soviets do not generally allow economy, because they fear it… because from economy comes supply and comes ability and comes layers and layers of stuff happening no one knows about… take down economy and keep it low, and you, by other means, have insured desires of any kind cant be fulfilled…

the west likes economy and is perfectly happy with its people doing all kinds of things that are horrors to ruling classes.. like guns, inventiveness, creative destruction, replacemtn, etc… their benefits tend to be abstract in the form of an indirect something… so they dont seize oil, they just let it get on market and lower all oil prices (theirs too, which sharpens their producers)… while the soviets would rather seize land and so, own it, and do it that way (a child like methodology that required some real negative morals and justification)

one only needs to read about the old time spies and things to ‘get’ where the focus is… sooooo many of the people and more are from offices that measured or worked with various raw materials and commodities… because that gives them cash, without giving their people ability…

it gets pretty easy to see it once you get a knack for this kind of thinking..
the left countries want control, and ownership to give them control or oversite
they want to channel things their way
the right countries want openeness, because they want the prices down for all, which includes them, and lets this openess garner success easier..

control wants to withold and pick and choose winners and losers
opennesss is willing to let the dice of competition decide

they are both following their methods to qui bono..
🙂

Provocations must be met with a strong and unequivocal response. But they do run the risk of being met with even more provocation. Where does it end?

It ends when one side can’t keep up the pace, can’t marshall the resources to continue, can’t absorb another blow.

Or until one side does the math again and this time sees the inevitable conclusion: increased suffering with no hope of victory.

Iran is outclassed. Their arms are too short to box with Uncle Sam.

If Iran cannot demonstrate a viable threat to the American homeland, their goose is cooked goat is fricasseed. Only a well-placed fifth column can change their current trajectory.

Can they convince the American public that they have an invisible army in place ready to strike?

Sleepers awake!

Let the Persian cheap talk flow like mey!

Thanks for giving us the big picture; that was quite helpful, even in abbreviated form.

On the earthquake, the implication of some involvement with the US strikes is probably erroneous.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/27/iran-earthquake-51-magnitude-quake-hits-near-bushehr-nuclear-plant

A magnitude 5 earthquake can cause considerable damage. The Bushehr nuclear power plant was designed to withstand much stronger earthquakes.

“No damage has been reported to us so far based on the checks by the Red Crescent Society, village councillors and officials in the area,” Jahangir Dehqan, the head of the provincial emergency department, told the semi-official news agency ISNA.

Iran sits on major fault lines and is prone to near-daily earthquakes. In 2003, a 6.6-magnitude quake flattened the historic city of Bam, killing 26,000 people. Bam is near the Bushehr nuclear plant, which wasn’t damaged at that time.

I explained a while back and didnt want to waste space rehashing things that, when put forth, take too long and get cut down…

but for the most part, when the war in Iraq was going on, everyone was on the narrative, but few were looking at maps to see what the actual objective of such things were when you put them together… and or listening to the speeches or rhetoric of leaders of countries like russia, who used certain terms that would clue one in. in this case, the term was buffer.

turkey, iran, iraq, afghanistan, etc… with Iran being the last piece of the puzzle..
would have turned out to be a one country buffer zone the way that the white russian states were being used to put one country between russia and any potential enemies. europe had to go through those before they got to russia, and russia had no problem if they wanted the reverse given who ran what.

i wrote extensively as to the history and this point… but in short, if one wanted to end the conflicts in the middle east, one has to at some point stop the flow of the supply of military equipment that is so ubiquitous and gets updated and resupplied… (and from there, goes to africa as well)

Russia is a resources state, not a productive one. It manufactures very little that the world needs and gets a huge amount of its revenue and living from digging holes, refining, and selling raw materials out onto the open market… almost anything that threatens that, especially by lower prices or other things, tends to be the point of conflict. this is rarely paid attention to.

for example, what is the raw material potential of Africa? huge.. if Africa could produce without the conflict and other games (same weapons), these things would come on the market. Everything from more diamonds, to oil, to rare earths, to raw metals. they currently do, but not in a way that would match a open non conflict capitalist means.

a lot of this has to do with knowing russian history which most in the west really dont… the devils are in the details… take for instance the syrian conflict… why? what is it about? well, its about gas line competition… as several lines have to go through there to be whole and to deliver such to europe and give them an alternative. at one point i put up maps, gas line maps, and more to make my case, but such things take up too much space, ignore the narrative, and in the long run, neo cuts them for space… which is her perogative

Russia leverages a lot with gas supply and has many pipelines…

but also, russia makes money from arms, and weapons, and experts..
and long posts cut down showed that they needed land to transport such
airplanes are limited in their capacity, and quite easy to track and watch
ships have been refused to be unloaded, and thats an issue too

the syrian conflict has with it, as a foot note to the narrative, gas lines from UAE, as well as new fields in the Levant, as well as others… these were to supply europe and would be in competition.

similarly, just after Russia put up new communications satellites… internet and phone cables magically got cut… and of course the fastest easiest way to get back up and running was to use the capacity in these new satellites (and they of course would expose information, even if it was just flow and point to point info)

people seldom notice or realize that in order to have a large conflict and never ending such, you have to keep re-supplying the destination with more and more material. not just the big stuff that is sold openly and transported openly… but the other stuff… and expertise… as there is a definitive lack of art in what gets made and done, despite the ease of which such things can be created.

There is a long history of these things, which ALSO includes the outcome of defectors and libraries and those kinds of things which neo doesnt include in discussions or as a focus. and others tend to ignore… funny how much money goes into the agencies and how little we pay attention to what is known and not tin hat… not even hidden… just sitting there… not even all that exciting… as a lot of it has to do with boring economics not war plans.

anyway… as you can see, even a light outline that would clear up things tends to get long… but take a look at a map.. and if you think that weapons, experts, and other things have to travel by land, the conflicts in boring little countries like Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Armenia, etc… become clear… they happen to just be in a bad location.

Even the Kuwait period makes a lot more sense… and you dont have to conjure up more than moving material that causes conflicts we all watch that never end and are economic in their ultimate nature. its a pretty simple thing that explains alliances and other stuff without much cryptic anything..

you want to move material from Russia into the middle east, ships and planes are not the way but land which cant be monitored is.. you need Armenia and ajerbaijan… you want to move over the Caspian sea, whats on the other side and who says the US has to stay out? If Iraq becomes unfriendly or occupied, you either need Turkey to look the other way, or Kuwait… with Kuwait over, and Iraq over, the closest is to skirt the border of turkey Iraq and get into Syria.. the only way to get more stuff into Africa is either Egypt or Yemen..

Conflict takes millions of tons of stuff… the The AN-225 Mriya, is one of the largest… can carry 250 tons… quoting D-day reference not as a good comparrison but to just get a clue – “With thirty-six divisions eventually on the continent, the Allies needed twenty thousand tons of food, fuel, ammunition, and equipment every day.”

you need 80 Mriya a day… quite noticeable..
the largest container ships could handle 10 days! 232,618 tons
but you can watch that unload from the air easy..
but trucks? 80,000 lb (36,000 kg) total for any vehicle or combination
40 tons each would require 500 trucks..

Which is the easiest to stop, or note?
which is impossible to stop or track?

maybe i missed my calling as this is what analysis brings up
the news and all the pundits, none of them talk about this..

“We do not deserve this. We defended these borders for eight long years during the Iran-Iraq war. We gave blood. Now, our children have to carry loads on their backs like animals for a bite and finally lose their lives on the job. They hunt us like animals.”
— Dervish Mohammad, city of Sardasht

by the way… who else brings things in the country illegally?
Kurds… so they get caught in the conflicts as well as their smuggling causes attention

anyway… putting more would be too long, and putting it in order would be even longer

but note.. 500 double trailer trucks is only about 2 a day…
easy to slip into the huge amounts of material that move all the time

but if you take some time to note this, and look at maps, with an eye on economics of each state and how they make their cash and what certain changes would reap, what goes on isnt so hard to ‘get’… it gets more interesting when you look at who the players are and who they are helping and what their politics are and their fealty seems to be…

The details are emerging of a new secret and quite stupid Saudi-US deal on Syria and the so-called ISIS. It involves oil and gas control of the entire region and the weakening of Russia and Iran by Saudi Arabian flooding the world market with cheap oil. Details were concluded in the September meeting by US Secretary of State John Kerry and the Saudi King. The unintended consequence will be to push Russia even faster to turn east to China and Eurasia.

the iran iraq syria pipeline?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq%E2%80%93Syria_pipeline
In July 2011 Iran, Iraq and Syria said they planned to sign a contract potentially worth around $6bn to construct a pipeline running from South Pars towards Europe, via these countries and Lebanon and then under the Mediterranean to a European country…

The pipeline would be a competitor to the Nabucco pipeline from Azerbaijan to Europe

Nabucco pipeline
The project has been driven by the intention to diversify its current energy supplies, and to lessen European dependence on Russian energy—the biggest supplier of gas to Europe. The Russia–Ukraine gas disputes have been one of the factors driving the search for alternative suppliers, sources, and routes.

so much more.. but it would get cut..
nothing secret about it.. just open facts
[which help investing.. eh? 🙂 ]

At first I found the Dems antics funny. Our job as conservatives is to get the message across. My fellow Americans, they hate you. And here they are showing America just how much.

But then I grew angry. Iran, a declared enemy of the USA, is watching too. And yet they prefer Iran to this country while DJT is President.

Treason is a word that is used too cheaply. But in this case no other word will do.

Article III; Treason against the United States shall consist only of levying war against them, adhering to an enemy of them, giving it aid and comfort…

Iran has long declared war on us. But there the Dems were, adhering to Iran and giving aid and comfort.

To be completely honest, when we saw this tweet from CNN Politics we had to double-check that it wasn’t The Onion or someone hilariously parodying CNN but nope … this is real.

Imagine how absolutely gone you have to be to think this is somehow a story worth putting out there.

CNN Politics
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@CNNPolitics
President Trump dined on ice cream as news of the airstrike broke https://cnn.it/2SPsJKZ

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OMG NOT ICE CREAM! WAS IT TWO SCOOPS THIS TIME?!

From CNN:

As news broke that the US struck and killed Qasem Soleimani, President Trump was dining at his Mar-a-Lago club, surrounded by old friends and others like House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy.

As meatloaf and ice cream were served, the Pentagon confirmed that the US was behind the strikes, the only statement from the administration throughout the night.

Putting this airstrike in perspective: The scene Friday was similar to the one after Trump gave the order for American forces to carry out the missile strike on a Syrian airfield in the spring 2017.

After that strike, Trump went into great detail about the chocolate cake he had with Chinese President Xi Jinping, who was there for a summit, when he informed him about the series of tomahawk missiles.

Trump owns these people.

https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/01/03/trumps-threats-were-not-empty-suleimani-head-of-iranian-terrorism-killed-in-baghdad/#comment-2473307

sdferr on January 3, 2020 at 12:48 pm said:
Instapundit features a funny “meme”-picture with Trump as magician saying “And now for my next act I will make the Democrats defend Iran.”

Poor things, they truly cannot help themselves.