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	Comments on: Scott Johnson of Powerline makes a good point about the MSM and Russiagate	</title>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve asked the question here several times.

Why haven&#039;t we seen any genuine FBI whistleblowers come forward to expose the corruption within the FBI &#038; DOJ?

And I&#039;ve always thought that that the absence of such whistleblowers indicated that, effectively, everyone at the FBI—high to low—was just fine with the coup attempt.

Sundance has a different take.  

Says Sundance,  any potential whistleblower would have his attempt at whistle-blowing blocked by a couple layers of individuals (and there are quite a few of them, says Sundance)--who are themselves involved in the corruption; government officials who are the “official channels” that the whistleblower would have to go through, to get the OK for any such whistle-blowing.

See  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/12/25/understanding-why-theres-no-fbi-whistleblowers-outlining-institutional-corruption/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve asked the question here several times.</p>
<p>Why haven&#8217;t we seen any genuine FBI whistleblowers come forward to expose the corruption within the FBI &amp; DOJ?</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve always thought that that the absence of such whistleblowers indicated that, effectively, everyone at the FBI—high to low—was just fine with the coup attempt.</p>
<p>Sundance has a different take.  </p>
<p>Says Sundance,  any potential whistleblower would have his attempt at whistle-blowing blocked by a couple layers of individuals (and there are quite a few of them, says Sundance)&#8211;who are themselves involved in the corruption; government officials who are the “official channels” that the whistleblower would have to go through, to get the OK for any such whistle-blowing.</p>
<p>See  <a href="https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/12/25/understanding-why-theres-no-fbi-whistleblowers-outlining-institutional-corruption/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/12/25/understanding-why-theres-no-fbi-whistleblowers-outlining-institutional-corruption/</a></p>
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		By: Oblio		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 12:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you huxley, David Foster, Barry Meislin, Gringo, AesopFan, and others.

We are discussing cult programming in the context of ongoing psychological damage.

Bottom line, don’t hold your breath waiting for apologies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you huxley, David Foster, Barry Meislin, Gringo, AesopFan, and others.</p>
<p>We are discussing cult programming in the context of ongoing psychological damage.</p>
<p>Bottom line, don’t hold your breath waiting for apologies.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 08:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Just as the intelligentsia have been foremost in the struggle to abolish intelligence...&quot;

Though it&#039;s not just abolishing intelligence but elevating thuggery, cruelty, torture and systematic murder as moral endeavors (such that promoting &quot;utopia&quot; would appear to be a most unethical, inhuman pursuit; i.e., be very careful about those who promote utopia, or perhaps, more correctly, &quot;secular&quot; utopia...).

Brings to mind Eric Hobsbawm....
From https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_Hobsbawm :
&quot;On several occasions, Hobsbawm went to disturbing lengths to portray Soviet communism as the greatest thing ever made, no matter the human or moral cost. During an interview on British television, he reportedly said that Stalin&#039;s murders of 20 million people would have been justified if the Soviet promise of utopia had been fulfilled;...he later stated that because Soviet communism failed, these deaths were in vain.&quot;

And yes, Muggeridge, Orwell, Robert Conquest, Whitaker Chambers, Koestler  (to some extent) and of course Solzhenitsyn are absolutely must reading.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just as the intelligentsia have been foremost in the struggle to abolish intelligence&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Though it&#8217;s not just abolishing intelligence but elevating thuggery, cruelty, torture and systematic murder as moral endeavors (such that promoting &#8220;utopia&#8221; would appear to be a most unethical, inhuman pursuit; i.e., be very careful about those who promote utopia, or perhaps, more correctly, &#8220;secular&#8221; utopia&#8230;).</p>
<p>Brings to mind Eric Hobsbawm&#8230;.<br />
From <a href="https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_Hobsbawm" rel="nofollow ugc">https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Eric_Hobsbawm</a> :<br />
&#8220;On several occasions, Hobsbawm went to disturbing lengths to portray Soviet communism as the greatest thing ever made, no matter the human or moral cost. During an interview on British television, he reportedly said that Stalin&#8217;s murders of 20 million people would have been justified if the Soviet promise of utopia had been fulfilled;&#8230;he later stated that because Soviet communism failed, these deaths were in vain.&#8221;</p>
<p>And yes, Muggeridge, Orwell, Robert Conquest, Whitaker Chambers, Koestler  (to some extent) and of course Solzhenitsyn are absolutely must reading.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 05:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oblio: This is probably more info than you had in mind but....here&#039;s an excerpt from an interview with L. Ron Hubbard&#039;s son:

&lt;i&gt; The rest [of the real-life stories in Dianetics] stem from [my father&#039;s] own secret life, which was deeply involved in the occult and black-magic. &lt;b&gt;That involvement goes back to when he was sixteen, living in Washington. D.C. He got hold of the book by Alistair Crowley called The Book of Law. &lt;/b&gt;He was very interested in several things that were the creation of what some people call &lt;b&gt;the Moon Child. It was basically an attempt to create an immaculate conception --except by Satan rather than by God.&lt;/b&gt; 

http://lermanet.org/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.html&lt;/i&gt;

The book and film, &quot;Rosemary&#039;s Baby,&quot; were based on the Moon Child idea. 

Which leads to the connections between Roman Polanski, Charles Manson, John Lennon, and the Dakota [building], if one cares to drop down that rabbit hole. One can read too much into such things, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oblio: This is probably more info than you had in mind but&#8230;.here&#8217;s an excerpt from an interview with L. Ron Hubbard&#8217;s son:</p>
<p><i> The rest [of the real-life stories in Dianetics] stem from [my father&#8217;s] own secret life, which was deeply involved in the occult and black-magic. <b>That involvement goes back to when he was sixteen, living in Washington. D.C. He got hold of the book by Alistair Crowley called The Book of Law. </b>He was very interested in several things that were the creation of what some people call <b>the Moon Child. It was basically an attempt to create an immaculate conception &#8211;except by Satan rather than by God.</b> </p>
<p><a href="http://lermanet.org/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://lermanet.org/scientologynews/penthouse-LRonHubbardJr-interview-1983.html</a></i></p>
<p>The book and film, &#8220;Rosemary&#8217;s Baby,&#8221; were based on the Moon Child idea. </p>
<p>Which leads to the connections between Roman Polanski, Charles Manson, John Lennon, and the Dakota [building], if one cares to drop down that rabbit hole. One can read too much into such things, of course.</p>
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		By: Oblio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oblio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 03:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Never fathomed Led Zeppelin either.
Just to complete the bizarre connections of this thread, Neil Gaimon’s grandparents started a grocery chain in England and his parents became Scientologists. 
In 1990, Gaiman wrote a series for DC Comics called The Books of Magic about a 12 year old English boy (“Tim Hunter”) destined to be the greatest wizard. In 1990, a former researcher for Amnesty International (no kidding) comes up with a full-blown story about a wizard boy unrecognized by normal society, and the rest is history.
We’re not talking about normal differences in ideology, interests, and perspectives. We are talking about irrational claims based on narratives of identity that have passed down for several generations now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never fathomed Led Zeppelin either.<br />
Just to complete the bizarre connections of this thread, Neil Gaimon’s grandparents started a grocery chain in England and his parents became Scientologists.<br />
In 1990, Gaiman wrote a series for DC Comics called The Books of Magic about a 12 year old English boy (“Tim Hunter”) destined to be the greatest wizard. In 1990, a former researcher for Amnesty International (no kidding) comes up with a full-blown story about a wizard boy unrecognized by normal society, and the rest is history.<br />
We’re not talking about normal differences in ideology, interests, and perspectives. We are talking about irrational claims based on narratives of identity that have passed down for several generations now.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 02:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oblio: Jimmy Page, the guitarist for Led Zeppelin, was the most fanatical rock Crowleyite. He steeped himself in Crowley magick. He collected much Crowley memorabilia -- even the house Crowley once lived in. Page didn&#039;t spend much time there, though the caretaker he hired claimed the house was seriously haunted. Page sold the place in 1992.

https://carwreckdebangs.wordpress.com/2015/06/09/aleister-crowley-jimmy-page-and-the-curse-of-led-zeppelin-when-myth-magick-and-weird-facts-collide/

For complicated reasons I ended up with a college roommate&#039;s Tarot deck after he committed suicide. It was the Crowley Tarot deck. I&#039;m not superstitious but I didn&#039;t want to keep that deck and I didn&#039;t want to destroy it. (The Crowley deck is strikingly beautiful in its way.) I gave it to some kids in a cafe who didn&#039;t mind the history.

http://tarotgarden.com/thoth-tarot-deck-usg-purple-box-standard-size-edition/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oblio: Jimmy Page, the guitarist for Led Zeppelin, was the most fanatical rock Crowleyite. He steeped himself in Crowley magick. He collected much Crowley memorabilia &#8212; even the house Crowley once lived in. Page didn&#8217;t spend much time there, though the caretaker he hired claimed the house was seriously haunted. Page sold the place in 1992.</p>
<p><a href="https://carwreckdebangs.wordpress.com/2015/06/09/aleister-crowley-jimmy-page-and-the-curse-of-led-zeppelin-when-myth-magick-and-weird-facts-collide/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://carwreckdebangs.wordpress.com/2015/06/09/aleister-crowley-jimmy-page-and-the-curse-of-led-zeppelin-when-myth-magick-and-weird-facts-collide/</a></p>
<p>For complicated reasons I ended up with a college roommate&#8217;s Tarot deck after he committed suicide. It was the Crowley Tarot deck. I&#8217;m not superstitious but I didn&#8217;t want to keep that deck and I didn&#8217;t want to destroy it. (The Crowley deck is strikingly beautiful in its way.) I gave it to some kids in a cafe who didn&#8217;t mind the history.</p>
<p><a href="http://tarotgarden.com/thoth-tarot-deck-usg-purple-box-standard-size-edition/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tarotgarden.com/thoth-tarot-deck-usg-purple-box-standard-size-edition/</a></p>
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		By: Oblio		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Oblio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 02:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley , thanks for filling in that chapter.
Duranty was English and Cambridge-educated. His family returned to England in 1842 from the West Indies and established a successful merchant business. Duranty grew up in upper middle class surroundings until the family lost its money while he was in his teens. So perhaps he suffered from the resentments and rage of the downwardly mobile. 
Apparently Duranty was attracted to sociopaths like Crowley and Stalin.
John Lennon and David Bowie felt the same attraction for Crowley. This begins to help me understand why my Yale contemporaries idolized Lennon and Bowie, which was unfathomable to me at the time. Those contemporaries never apologized for anything, as I recall, and they were completely shameless. Now that I think of it, many of them became journalists or went to work for DOJ.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley , thanks for filling in that chapter.<br />
Duranty was English and Cambridge-educated. His family returned to England in 1842 from the West Indies and established a successful merchant business. Duranty grew up in upper middle class surroundings until the family lost its money while he was in his teens. So perhaps he suffered from the resentments and rage of the downwardly mobile.<br />
Apparently Duranty was attracted to sociopaths like Crowley and Stalin.<br />
John Lennon and David Bowie felt the same attraction for Crowley. This begins to help me understand why my Yale contemporaries idolized Lennon and Bowie, which was unfathomable to me at the time. Those contemporaries never apologized for anything, as I recall, and they were completely shameless. Now that I think of it, many of them became journalists or went to work for DOJ.</p>
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		By: David Foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Part of the behavior of these Leftists is explained by the concept of the Closed System, as explained by Arthur Koestler (himself a former Communist)...

&quot;A closed system has three peculiarities. Firstly, it claims to represent a truth of universal validity, capable of explaining all phenomena, and to have a cure for all that ails man. In the second place, it is a system which cannot be refuted by evidence, because all potentially damaging data are automatically processed and reinterpreted to make them fit the expected pattern. The processing is done by sophisticated methods of causistry, centered on axioms of great emotive power, and indifferent to the rules of common logic; it is a kind of Wonderland croquet, played with mobile hoops. In the third place, it is a system which invalidates criticism by shifting the argument to the subjective motivation of the critic, and deducing his motivation from the axioms of the system itself. The orthodox Freudian school in its early stages approximated a closed system; if you argued that for such and such reasons you doubted the existence of the so-called castration complex, the Freudian&#039;s prompt answer was that your argument betrayed an unconscious resistance indicating that you ourself have a castration complex; you were caught in a vicious circle. Similarly, if you argued with a Stalinist that to make a pact with Hitler was not a nice thing to do he would explain that your bourgeois class-consciousness made you unable to understand the dialectics of history...In short, the closed system excludes the possibility of objective argument by two related proceedings: (a) facts are deprived of their value as evidence by scholastic processing; (b) objections are invalidated by shifting the argument to the personal motive behind the objection. This procedure is legitimate according to the closed system&#039;s rules of the game which, however absurd they seem to the outsider, have a great coherence and inner consistency.

The atmosphere inside the closed system is highly charged; it is an emotional hothouse...The trained, &quot;closed-minded&quot; theologian, psychoanalyst, or Marxist can at any time make mincemeat of his &quot;open-minded&quot; adversary and thus prove the superiority of his system to the world and to himself.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the behavior of these Leftists is explained by the concept of the Closed System, as explained by Arthur Koestler (himself a former Communist)&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;A closed system has three peculiarities. Firstly, it claims to represent a truth of universal validity, capable of explaining all phenomena, and to have a cure for all that ails man. In the second place, it is a system which cannot be refuted by evidence, because all potentially damaging data are automatically processed and reinterpreted to make them fit the expected pattern. The processing is done by sophisticated methods of causistry, centered on axioms of great emotive power, and indifferent to the rules of common logic; it is a kind of Wonderland croquet, played with mobile hoops. In the third place, it is a system which invalidates criticism by shifting the argument to the subjective motivation of the critic, and deducing his motivation from the axioms of the system itself. The orthodox Freudian school in its early stages approximated a closed system; if you argued that for such and such reasons you doubted the existence of the so-called castration complex, the Freudian&#8217;s prompt answer was that your argument betrayed an unconscious resistance indicating that you ourself have a castration complex; you were caught in a vicious circle. Similarly, if you argued with a Stalinist that to make a pact with Hitler was not a nice thing to do he would explain that your bourgeois class-consciousness made you unable to understand the dialectics of history&#8230;In short, the closed system excludes the possibility of objective argument by two related proceedings: (a) facts are deprived of their value as evidence by scholastic processing; (b) objections are invalidated by shifting the argument to the personal motive behind the objection. This procedure is legitimate according to the closed system&#8217;s rules of the game which, however absurd they seem to the outsider, have a great coherence and inner consistency.</p>
<p>The atmosphere inside the closed system is highly charged; it is an emotional hothouse&#8230;The trained, &#8220;closed-minded&#8221; theologian, psychoanalyst, or Marxist can at any time make mincemeat of his &#8220;open-minded&#8221; adversary and thus prove the superiority of his system to the world and to himself.&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It is an addiction, and in such cases there is never any lack of hands to push in the needle and give the fix.&quot; Malcolm Muggeridge, quoted by Gringo.

That seems to be an apt description of our political elites these days: they seek power at all times, and in all ways, and can&#039;t seem to do without the seeking, even when they lose the battle and stand revealed for the naked opportunists that they are.

Like a drug addict getting busted, and going right back to the pushers when he gets out of jail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is an addiction, and in such cases there is never any lack of hands to push in the needle and give the fix.&#8221; Malcolm Muggeridge, quoted by Gringo.</p>
<p>That seems to be an apt description of our political elites these days: they seek power at all times, and in all ways, and can&#8217;t seem to do without the seeking, even when they lose the battle and stand revealed for the naked opportunists that they are.</p>
<p>Like a drug addict getting busted, and going right back to the pushers when he gets out of jail.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 00:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; It is said that L. Ron Hubbard was exposed to Crowley’s movement.&lt;/i&gt;

Oblio: No question about that. It&#039;s a wild chapter.

Before Scientology, Hubbard got involved with Jack Parsons, a classic American tech maverick who specialized in rocketry and helped found the famous Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL). Parsons was seduced by Crowley&#039;s magick (the &#039;k&#039; is important to indicate real magic) and founded the California branch of Crowley&#039;s  Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO). 

I&#039;m not clear how Hubbard and Parsons met and became friends in SoCal, but they did. They became involved in some sex partner swapping and in a sex magick scheme to produce a magic goddess child, which apparently didn&#039;t work. But Hubbard and Parsons&#039; ex-lover successfully defrauded Parsons of his money. Parsons died young and mysterious in a lab explosion.

There is a crater on the Moon named for Jack Parsons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> It is said that L. Ron Hubbard was exposed to Crowley’s movement.</i></p>
<p>Oblio: No question about that. It&#8217;s a wild chapter.</p>
<p>Before Scientology, Hubbard got involved with Jack Parsons, a classic American tech maverick who specialized in rocketry and helped found the famous Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL). Parsons was seduced by Crowley&#8217;s magick (the &#8216;k&#8217; is important to indicate real magic) and founded the California branch of Crowley&#8217;s  Ordo Templi Orientis (OTO). </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not clear how Hubbard and Parsons met and became friends in SoCal, but they did. They became involved in some sex partner swapping and in a sex magick scheme to produce a magic goddess child, which apparently didn&#8217;t work. But Hubbard and Parsons&#8217; ex-lover successfully defrauded Parsons of his money. Parsons died young and mysterious in a lab explosion.</p>
<p>There is a crater on the Moon named for Jack Parsons.</p>
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