ITA. But the system did its job and said that your view of Bill Clinton, my view of Bill Clinton, and the view of the opposition party on Bill Clinton, were not clearcut enough to reverse the 1996 election results.

The impeachment failed, but I think there were real grounds for it — unlike the present instance — and the effort was worthwhile. It clarified that his forms of Presidential misbehavior, though they may have included a perjury, did not produce sufficient revulsion across the society to make our elected representatives unite in a guilty verdict. OK, issue settled.

Of course, we have to wonder if there is ANY misbehavior from a Democratic politician that would produce revulsion within their own party.

https://jonathanturley.org/2019/12/13/a-brief-history-of-time-response-to-chairman-schiff-on-the-need-to-impeach-by-christmas/

Yet, the point I had tried to make goes not to your (or our) individual capacities, singled out as apart from our membership of that oddly dual beast, the proper sovereign, the rulers who are ruled. Something is amiss — upside-down — when those representatives we send to work on our behalf in the Federal government lord it over us and do in no way fear our power as sovereigns over them. It isn’t that I expect you alone to physically confront these fools, surely not. On the other hand, the people as such (of whom we are members) number in the couple hundred millions, and of these some considerable portion ought to be capable to put a genuine fear into the likes of the Pelosis, Schiffs, Schumers and Nadlers in our midst, apart from mere empty threats of acts in the voting booth. The lords and ladies of the Congress ought to have a nagging anxiety somewhere prominent in their consciousness, inescapable, present to recall. We are not their toys, their amusements, their frivolous playthings. They need reminding, and if some jostling is necessary, then jostling let there be.

Never wrestle with a pig…
you both get dirty, but the pig likes it

” This statement was made in a private meeting in the White House which indicates that she actually believes that Trump is a Russian mole …”

To what imagined end, I wonder. The domination of the world by “godless communism” under the direction of the Soviet Union?

Oh, wait, the Soviet Union is long gone.

It is remarkable to see the party of Stalinists Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White, and Uberprogressive Ted Kennedy of “Overture to Andropov” fame, going insane now that the Soviet Union is dead and broken up, and Russia is just a shadow of the existential menace that was once the Soviet Union.

But they are mad as hell and ready for war. Because Russia gamed them in particular and showed them up as the scheming deceptive morons that they are.

Yet back then when real and powerful interests were a threat to the life and liberty of all Americans, well, not so much.

” ‘ Kennedy believes that in order to influence Americans it would be important to organize in August-September of this year, televised interviews with Y.V. Andropov in the USA. A direct appeal by the general secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union to the American people will, without a doubt, attract a great deal of attention and interest in the country. The senator is convinced this would receive the maximum resonance in so far as television is the most effective method of mass media and information. ‘ ”

and,

” according to the letter, Kennedy then offered up the possibility of having top media personalities such as Walter Cronkite, Barbara Walters, and Elton Raul, president of the board of the ABC television network, travel to Moscow to do television interviews with Andropov.

‘ The senator underlined the importance that this initiative should be seen as coming from the American side,’ the letter to Andropov says.” https://www.dailysignal.com/2016/12/14/ted-kennedy-made-secret-overtures-to-russia-to-prevent-ronald-reagans-re-election/

Yeah, Demonicrats, our “fellow Americans”, as Lying Lyndon Now in Hell Johnson, used to say.

“I need some muscle over here!”

Pres. Clinton was guilty of sexual harassment AND perjury, and the immoral but no longer criminal act of adultery (on multiple occasions). So I thought he should have been impeached, and convicted, and a little bit less swamp in DC.

I also voted in ’76 for Carter (my first vote! oh well. 🙁 ) partly because Ford pardoned Nixon. I thought that Nixon should go to jail. Now I’m less sure on that, but more sure that gov’t officials who commit crimes should much more often be indicted and tried – and I’m sure there would be more convictions and punishments.

Part of me is wondering if Pres. Trump isn’t readying more ads about the Do Nothing Democrats who only want Shams and Hoaxes and Fake News — so that Trump and Reps win House, Senate, and Pres. in 2020. I’ve read that many independents do sort of feel sorry for how bad the Dem media has been treating Trump. The Dems like the bad treatment. My guess is that The Donald is letting Mitch call the Senate shots, with limited input from Trump on what he “wants” — he’s getting ready to counterpunch either way, with a short or a long trial. And letting Mitch handle it is likely to make Mitch more of an ally, itself a valuable positive for Trump, along with all the fund raising and energizing of the base.
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I don’t fear Dem Leftist violence so much. Their vision of themselves requires the moral superiority of non-violent protesting, and when there is violence by Dems, it actually weakens this aspect of virtue signaling, even when they justify it by claiming how evil the Trump supporters are.

Thanks for the explanation. I guess it’s just ‘politics’.

I don’t know how moderates will feel about it but I’m certainly voting for President Trump and every Republican I can in the general election.

I’ll probably vote in the democrat primary and the most extreme candidates on the ballot. Not that it will matter all that mush living here in Northeast Illinois.

So…Donald Trump COULD shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and that wouldn’t be grounds for impeachment?

Without relitigating the whole Clinton mess, I think it’s pretty clear that letting him get away with it was a big step down the road which led us here. Yeah, it’s unfair to use that kind of 2020 hindsight but it’s awful hard to come up with a plausible alternate history where kicking Bill to the curb would have resulted in a worse outcome while it’s pretty easy to see how removing him could have led to some huge positive differences in the last 20 years.

Mike