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		By: Mike-SMO		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/18/its-impeachment-lite-time/#comment-2471721</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike-SMO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2019 01:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Democrats are probably worried that the thread of Ukrainian corruption will lead to the &quot;skim&quot;/kickbacks from the sale of weapons to ISIS by way of Qatar and Turkey as well as to the non-delivered cash from the shipment sent to Iran.  The game in the Ukraine was small potatoes for those in the peanut gallery.   More to the point, &quot;How many dead Yazidis does it take to buy a retirement house on the shore?&quot;  The Democrats have to be worried since President Trump and the Crown Prince MbS are both working together.   

If the corruption, as well as the associated death of Gadaffi (various spellings), are not addressed, the U.S. will have severe problems with international negotiations in the future.  &quot;Burning&quot; some &quot; &quot;corrupt&quot; &quot;has been&quot; pols is a small price to pay to obtain some bit of a reputation for reliability back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Democrats are probably worried that the thread of Ukrainian corruption will lead to the &#8220;skim&#8221;/kickbacks from the sale of weapons to ISIS by way of Qatar and Turkey as well as to the non-delivered cash from the shipment sent to Iran.  The game in the Ukraine was small potatoes for those in the peanut gallery.   More to the point, &#8220;How many dead Yazidis does it take to buy a retirement house on the shore?&#8221;  The Democrats have to be worried since President Trump and the Crown Prince MbS are both working together.   </p>
<p>If the corruption, as well as the associated death of Gadaffi (various spellings), are not addressed, the U.S. will have severe problems with international negotiations in the future.  &#8220;Burning&#8221; some &#8221; &#8220;corrupt&#8221; &#8220;has been&#8221; pols is a small price to pay to obtain some bit of a reputation for reliability back.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/18/its-impeachment-lite-time/#comment-2471370</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 07:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The problem for the Dems is that Trump, himself, has long been hiring lawyers to make sure all his stuff is pretty legal.  The Dems are convinced he has done &quot;wrongdoing&quot;, but what, exactly?  They were pretty sure the Mueller Witch Hunt would find some crimes they could &quot;switch&quot; to, after the Fake Collusion &quot;bait&quot; was discredited.  But they failed.

Now they face losing again.  Plus face a news environment of great economic prosperity, which Trump is correctly taking (too much?) credit for.  So they have to impeach him to stop him from getting re-elected.  They spin the truth to get there.

Notice how they characterize his asking for a favor to investigate a corrupt Burisma as &quot;interfering with the 2020 election, for his own private gain&quot;.  Investigating corruption is not illegal &quot;election interference&quot;, even if the corruption is involved in the election.  But that&#039;s the story of the Dems.

The Dems, and the Deep State, including many Reps, is full of Hunter Biden type corruption, extortion, and kick-backs.  See the Clinton Bribery Foundation&#039;s work in Haiti, and the Haitian activist that wanted to testify against the Clintons but was killed (he didn&#039;t kill himself ).  Corrupt Deep Staters supporting other corrupt regimes all over the world.  Not just, tho perhaps especially, in Ukraine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem for the Dems is that Trump, himself, has long been hiring lawyers to make sure all his stuff is pretty legal.  The Dems are convinced he has done &#8220;wrongdoing&#8221;, but what, exactly?  They were pretty sure the Mueller Witch Hunt would find some crimes they could &#8220;switch&#8221; to, after the Fake Collusion &#8220;bait&#8221; was discredited.  But they failed.</p>
<p>Now they face losing again.  Plus face a news environment of great economic prosperity, which Trump is correctly taking (too much?) credit for.  So they have to impeach him to stop him from getting re-elected.  They spin the truth to get there.</p>
<p>Notice how they characterize his asking for a favor to investigate a corrupt Burisma as &#8220;interfering with the 2020 election, for his own private gain&#8221;.  Investigating corruption is not illegal &#8220;election interference&#8221;, even if the corruption is involved in the election.  But that&#8217;s the story of the Dems.</p>
<p>The Dems, and the Deep State, including many Reps, is full of Hunter Biden type corruption, extortion, and kick-backs.  See the Clinton Bribery Foundation&#8217;s work in Haiti, and the Haitian activist that wanted to testify against the Clintons but was killed (he didn&#8217;t kill himself ).  Corrupt Deep Staters supporting other corrupt regimes all over the world.  Not just, tho perhaps especially, in Ukraine.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 06:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[h/t PowerLine

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/impeachment-warranted-also-bad-idea/603616/

Backpedaling furiously, but they &quot;had to do something!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>h/t PowerLine</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/impeachment-warranted-also-bad-idea/603616/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/12/impeachment-warranted-also-bad-idea/603616/</a></p>
<p>Backpedaling furiously, but they &#8220;had to do something!&#8221;</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/18/its-impeachment-lite-time/#comment-2471361</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 06:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A moderately sane Democrat? From the same post:
&lt;blockquote&gt; 
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii, who voted present on both articles of impeachment, said she worked for the best interests of the country whether in the military or in Congress.

“After doing my due diligence in reviewing the 658-page impeachment report, I came to the conclusion that I could not in good conscience vote either yes or no,” Gabbard said in a statement. “I am standing in the center and have decided to vote Present. I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing. I also could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting President must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country.”
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A moderately sane Democrat? From the same post:</p>
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Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii, who voted present on both articles of impeachment, said she worked for the best interests of the country whether in the military or in Congress.</p>
<p>“After doing my due diligence in reviewing the 658-page impeachment report, I came to the conclusion that I could not in good conscience vote either yes or no,” Gabbard said in a statement. “I am standing in the center and have decided to vote Present. I could not in good conscience vote against impeachment because I believe President Trump is guilty of wrongdoing. I also could not in good conscience vote for impeachment because removal of a sitting President must not be the culmination of a partisan process, fueled by tribal animosities that have so gravely divided our country.”
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/18/its-impeachment-lite-time/#comment-2471360</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 06:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/18/trump-impeachment-live-coverage-house-vote-articles/2675243001/
&lt;blockquote&gt; House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said Trump was given every opportunity to prove his innocence.

“Democrats did not choose this impeachment. We did not wish for it,” he said. 

&quot;Oh, come on,&quot; several Republicans responded.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/18/trump-impeachment-live-coverage-house-vote-articles/2675243001/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/12/18/trump-impeachment-live-coverage-house-vote-articles/2675243001/</a></p>
<blockquote><p> House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said Trump was given every opportunity to prove his innocence.</p>
<p>“Democrats did not choose this impeachment. We did not wish for it,” he said. </p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, come on,&#8221; several Republicans responded.
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		By: Eva Marie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/18/its-impeachment-lite-time/#comment-2471298</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 04:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’m going to have to disagree with you. Trump has done well in the court of public opinion. And the reason he’s done well is because his speech is backed up by action. There was that Kevin McCarthy on Rush’s show explaining that they lost the House by fewer members than they expected. What a victory! Well you have to remember  Rush we had a record number of members retiring (I’m paraphrasing) he said. That’s as good an excuse as any, I suppose. And when they DID have the House during the first 2 years of Trump’s Presidency what did they accomplish - no, excuse me - what wonderful excuses did they offer up to us then? I’m sick of the speeches and the congratulatory pats on the back they give to each other. The greatest President we’ve had in a long time was impeached on their watch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m going to have to disagree with you. Trump has done well in the court of public opinion. And the reason he’s done well is because his speech is backed up by action. There was that Kevin McCarthy on Rush’s show explaining that they lost the House by fewer members than they expected. What a victory! Well you have to remember  Rush we had a record number of members retiring (I’m paraphrasing) he said. That’s as good an excuse as any, I suppose. And when they DID have the House during the first 2 years of Trump’s Presidency what did they accomplish &#8211; no, excuse me &#8211; what wonderful excuses did they offer up to us then? I’m sick of the speeches and the congratulatory pats on the back they give to each other. The greatest President we’ve had in a long time was impeached on their watch.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 03:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eva Marie:

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by &quot;Republicans and their allies outmaneuvered at every turn.&quot;  The simple truth is that with a majority, the Democrats can impeach Trump for anything they want if they can get a majority of Democrats to vote for it. And that&#039;s what happened fairly successfully.

The Democrats controlled the entire process.  So the Republicans had no power to maneuver in that sense.

However, the Republicans have done quite well in the court of public opinion.  So in the one arena in which they had some power, they seem to have wielded it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eva Marie:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;Republicans and their allies outmaneuvered at every turn.&#8221;  The simple truth is that with a majority, the Democrats can impeach Trump for anything they want if they can get a majority of Democrats to vote for it. And that&#8217;s what happened fairly successfully.</p>
<p>The Democrats controlled the entire process.  So the Republicans had no power to maneuver in that sense.</p>
<p>However, the Republicans have done quite well in the court of public opinion.  So in the one arena in which they had some power, they seem to have wielded it.</p>
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		By: Eva Marie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 03:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What an awful day. Republicans and their allies outmaneuvered at every turn. Are they this stupid or is Trump the only decent human being in Washington? D. Cohen probably has it right. So much silly theater but the business of fleecing the voters continues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an awful day. Republicans and their allies outmaneuvered at every turn. Are they this stupid or is Trump the only decent human being in Washington? D. Cohen probably has it right. So much silly theater but the business of fleecing the voters continues.</p>
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		By: Waidmann		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 01:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Someone needs to write a book called &quot;Profiles in Cowardice&quot;.  I could become a best seller.  It could feature every Democrat currently serving in the House.  Unfortunately, there don&#039;t seem to be any Edmund G. Rosses these days.

Waidmann]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone needs to write a book called &#8220;Profiles in Cowardice&#8221;.  I could become a best seller.  It could feature every Democrat currently serving in the House.  Unfortunately, there don&#8217;t seem to be any Edmund G. Rosses these days.</p>
<p>Waidmann</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 01:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;... but there’s too much other news today.&quot;  --  Neo

Horowitz testified in a Senate hearing today, a hearing scheduled a week ago.  Who knew?  Because the debate on impeachment was accidentally scheduled at the same time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230; but there’s too much other news today.&#8221;  &#8212;  Neo</p>
<p>Horowitz testified in a Senate hearing today, a hearing scheduled a week ago.  Who knew?  Because the debate on impeachment was accidentally scheduled at the same time.</p>
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