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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/11/horowitz-speaks/#comment-2470272</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Richard,
Indeed. But you&#039;re still being rather charitable.
In the following link, see points 11 and 12:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/william-barr-has-suddenly-become-chatty-and-hes-provided-quite-an-information-dump_3171471.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,<br />
Indeed. But you&#8217;re still being rather charitable.<br />
In the following link, see points 11 and 12:<br />
<a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/william-barr-has-suddenly-become-chatty-and-hes-provided-quite-an-information-dump_3171471.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theepochtimes.com/william-barr-has-suddenly-become-chatty-and-hes-provided-quite-an-information-dump_3171471.html</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/11/horowitz-speaks/#comment-2470267</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Strzok et al might honestly may have believed they were doing the right thing. Yes, they were foolish in that belief, but it is understandable.&quot;

I think that&#039;s a very astute point...which is why I&#039;d like to see anyone accused of, say, insider trading to be adulated, congratulated, promoted, encouraged, awarded for ingenuity, innovation and thinking outside the box---while making large swaths of the population wealthier (if one follows certain aspects of &quot;trickle-down&quot; theory to their logical---or perhaps illogical---conclusion). 

And instead we throw the book at these guys! How utterly misconceived! We really should show more understanding to these altruistic capitalists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Strzok et al might honestly may have believed they were doing the right thing. Yes, they were foolish in that belief, but it is understandable.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s a very astute point&#8230;which is why I&#8217;d like to see anyone accused of, say, insider trading to be adulated, congratulated, promoted, encouraged, awarded for ingenuity, innovation and thinking outside the box&#8212;while making large swaths of the population wealthier (if one follows certain aspects of &#8220;trickle-down&#8221; theory to their logical&#8212;or perhaps illogical&#8212;conclusion). </p>
<p>And instead we throw the book at these guys! How utterly misconceived! We really should show more understanding to these altruistic capitalists.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/11/horowitz-speaks/#comment-2470265</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Horowitz is a lawyer -- a good lawyer.  He wrote very precisely: &quot;We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced Priestap’s decision to open Crossfire Hurricane.&quot;  That doesn&#039;t mean he didn&#039;t find &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;any&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; evidence that there was political bias or improper motivation, nor that he didn&#039;t find evidence that political bias or improper motivation in &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;anyone else&#039;s&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; decision to open Crossfire Hurricane, nor that he didn&#039;t find evidence that political bias or improper motivation in anyone&#039;s decision to &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;continue&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; Crossfire Hurricane.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horowitz is a lawyer &#8212; a good lawyer.  He wrote very precisely: &#8220;We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced Priestap’s decision to open Crossfire Hurricane.&#8221;  That doesn&#8217;t mean he didn&#8217;t find <i><b>any</b></i> evidence that there was political bias or improper motivation, nor that he didn&#8217;t find evidence that political bias or improper motivation in <i><b>anyone else&#8217;s</b></i> decision to open Crossfire Hurricane, nor that he didn&#8217;t find evidence that political bias or improper motivation in anyone&#8217;s decision to <i><b>continue</b></i> Crossfire Hurricane.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/11/horowitz-speaks/#comment-2470256</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 19:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; But even more, I would like to see the MSM made to own up to their misfeasance. &lt;/i&gt;

I think you might mean &#039;malpractice&#039;.  &#039;Malfesance&#039;, &#039;misfeasance&#039;, and &#039;nonfeasance&#039; refer to &lt;i&gt;official&lt;/i&gt; misconduct.  To Sztrok and McCabe, not to the Sulzbergers or Anderson Cooper.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> But even more, I would like to see the MSM made to own up to their misfeasance. </i></p>
<p>I think you might mean &#8216;malpractice&#8217;.  &#8216;Malfesance&#8217;, &#8216;misfeasance&#8217;, and &#8216;nonfeasance&#8217; refer to <i>official</i> misconduct.  To Sztrok and McCabe, not to the Sulzbergers or Anderson Cooper.</p>
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		By: MBunge		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/11/horowitz-speaks/#comment-2470249</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Strzok et al might honestly may have believed they were doing the right thing. Yes, they were foolish in that belief, but it is understandable.&quot;


Yes, it is understandable if you do not consider yourself a public servant or even an equal citizen but the ruler of others.

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Strzok et al might honestly may have believed they were doing the right thing. Yes, they were foolish in that belief, but it is understandable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it is understandable if you do not consider yourself a public servant or even an equal citizen but the ruler of others.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: F		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 18:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We keep talking about knaves or fools.  And I have used that formulation at times myself.

And a lot of us talk about the &quot;deep state&quot;, that is, those civil servants who were left over after Trump took office, and who presumably preferred Hillary to Trump before the election.  I have often likened most of Washington to fish swimming in a Democratic ocean, who don&#039;t have enough contact outside the beltway to know they are, in fact, rabid ideologues on the left.  Given that everyone around them believes the same way, how could it be different?

But we also need to recognize that very few people in Washington in the lead up to the 2016 election could ever, in their wildest dreams, imagine that Trump would win the election.  They aren&#039;t knaves or fools (although they come close to being fools), nor are they necessarily denizens of the swamp.  They just didn&#039;t have any familiarity with &quot;flyover country&quot; and probably never heard another person say anything positive about Trump.

I remember attending a Trump rally in Reno in late 2015.  I was not a Trump supporter, but I wanted to see him in action.  It was amazing.  I was among the believers.  These people, who packed the ballroom in the Nugget, knew the slogans, the applause lines, and were committed supporters. It was a population of thousands I was totally unfamiliar with and therefore unprepared to expect.  

Now transfer that experience to the people in the coastal enclaves, watching MSM coverage of the Hillary and Trump campaigns, and you (or at least I) can understand how Strzok and Page and all the others at the FBI could do what they did in the full expectation Hillary would be inaugurated in January 2017 and their actions, if ever discovered, would appear to be rational and even laudatory.

Horowitz&#039; testimony before the Senate gives us a little insight into this frame of mind.  Strzok et al might honestly may have believed they were doing the right thing.  Yes, they were foolish in that belief, but it is understandable.  And Horowitz is understandable in reaching the conclusions he did.

The MSM, on the other hand, were either inexcusable or incompetent.  Or perhaps enemies of the American experience.  Yes, I&#039;d like to see the FISC closed and the FBI completely turned over.  But even more, I would like to see the MSM made to own up to their misfeasance.  Democracy not only dies in darkness, it also dies in the light -- the light of deluded idealogical purity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We keep talking about knaves or fools.  And I have used that formulation at times myself.</p>
<p>And a lot of us talk about the &#8220;deep state&#8221;, that is, those civil servants who were left over after Trump took office, and who presumably preferred Hillary to Trump before the election.  I have often likened most of Washington to fish swimming in a Democratic ocean, who don&#8217;t have enough contact outside the beltway to know they are, in fact, rabid ideologues on the left.  Given that everyone around them believes the same way, how could it be different?</p>
<p>But we also need to recognize that very few people in Washington in the lead up to the 2016 election could ever, in their wildest dreams, imagine that Trump would win the election.  They aren&#8217;t knaves or fools (although they come close to being fools), nor are they necessarily denizens of the swamp.  They just didn&#8217;t have any familiarity with &#8220;flyover country&#8221; and probably never heard another person say anything positive about Trump.</p>
<p>I remember attending a Trump rally in Reno in late 2015.  I was not a Trump supporter, but I wanted to see him in action.  It was amazing.  I was among the believers.  These people, who packed the ballroom in the Nugget, knew the slogans, the applause lines, and were committed supporters. It was a population of thousands I was totally unfamiliar with and therefore unprepared to expect.  </p>
<p>Now transfer that experience to the people in the coastal enclaves, watching MSM coverage of the Hillary and Trump campaigns, and you (or at least I) can understand how Strzok and Page and all the others at the FBI could do what they did in the full expectation Hillary would be inaugurated in January 2017 and their actions, if ever discovered, would appear to be rational and even laudatory.</p>
<p>Horowitz&#8217; testimony before the Senate gives us a little insight into this frame of mind.  Strzok et al might honestly may have believed they were doing the right thing.  Yes, they were foolish in that belief, but it is understandable.  And Horowitz is understandable in reaching the conclusions he did.</p>
<p>The MSM, on the other hand, were either inexcusable or incompetent.  Or perhaps enemies of the American experience.  Yes, I&#8217;d like to see the FISC closed and the FBI completely turned over.  But even more, I would like to see the MSM made to own up to their misfeasance.  Democracy not only dies in darkness, it also dies in the light &#8212; the light of deluded idealogical purity.</p>
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		By: KyndyllG		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/11/horowitz-speaks/#comment-2470239</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; &#039;If my FB feed is any indication, the left in this country is fully willing to “cut down every law in England America to get at the Devil.” &#039;

It’s worse than that. They think quite well of themselves for it and cannot process arguments to the contrary. At all.&quot;

This is exactly what I see constantly in my FB. A vast mass of my school and work acquaintances hold all of the leftist thought about orangemanbad as literal, gospel truth; they would sooner accept that water is not wet than question any part of it. And it&#039;s not just that it&#039;s obvious truth that cannot be questioned by anyone with a functioning brain, they assume that anyone who even considers anything to the contrary, much less believes it, is not just wrong but absolutely evil: stupid, racist, bigoted, sexist, Nazi orangemanbad supporters and defenders. Against that backdrop, there&#039;s no wedge to start one of Remnant&#039;s precious &quot;civil and dispassionate dialogues.&quot; 

I saw this really kick into high gear around the beginning of the &quot;Punch a Nazi&quot; era. It was chilling. Some of these people posting social media memes glorifying attacking real or imagined Trump supporters were people I&#039;d known for 20 years. To see chubby, balding middle-age parents who had never been in a physical altercation in their life (I know because I went to school with them) suggesting figuratively or literally that one should go around attacking people who might have voted for a President they don&#039;t like, was down-the-rabbit-hole stuff. I suddenly saw what happened in Germany in the 1930s. These are people who have actively dehumanized political opponents. There is no such thing as rights or due process of the law for us. They are not interested in whether proper process was followed during what was obviously a politically motivated travesty of justice; they honestly couldn&#039;t care less if every rule in the book was broken. It&#039;s all good when you&#039;re going after Trump and his untermenschen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; &#8216;If my FB feed is any indication, the left in this country is fully willing to “cut down every law in England America to get at the Devil.” &#8216;</p>
<p>It’s worse than that. They think quite well of themselves for it and cannot process arguments to the contrary. At all.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is exactly what I see constantly in my FB. A vast mass of my school and work acquaintances hold all of the leftist thought about orangemanbad as literal, gospel truth; they would sooner accept that water is not wet than question any part of it. And it&#8217;s not just that it&#8217;s obvious truth that cannot be questioned by anyone with a functioning brain, they assume that anyone who even considers anything to the contrary, much less believes it, is not just wrong but absolutely evil: stupid, racist, bigoted, sexist, Nazi orangemanbad supporters and defenders. Against that backdrop, there&#8217;s no wedge to start one of Remnant&#8217;s precious &#8220;civil and dispassionate dialogues.&#8221; </p>
<p>I saw this really kick into high gear around the beginning of the &#8220;Punch a Nazi&#8221; era. It was chilling. Some of these people posting social media memes glorifying attacking real or imagined Trump supporters were people I&#8217;d known for 20 years. To see chubby, balding middle-age parents who had never been in a physical altercation in their life (I know because I went to school with them) suggesting figuratively or literally that one should go around attacking people who might have voted for a President they don&#8217;t like, was down-the-rabbit-hole stuff. I suddenly saw what happened in Germany in the 1930s. These are people who have actively dehumanized political opponents. There is no such thing as rights or due process of the law for us. They are not interested in whether proper process was followed during what was obviously a politically motivated travesty of justice; they honestly couldn&#8217;t care less if every rule in the book was broken. It&#8217;s all good when you&#8217;re going after Trump and his untermenschen.</p>
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		By: JFM		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/11/horowitz-speaks/#comment-2470236</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 15:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A question that I&#039;d like someone to ask James Comey, preferably when Comey is under oath:

&quot;You told President Trump in early 2017 that the content of the Steele Dossier was &quot;salacious and unverified.&quot; The Horowitz report says that the Steele Dossier was the basis for FISA surveillance of Trump. When did you know that the contents of the Steele Dossier was &quot;salacious and unverified?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question that I&#8217;d like someone to ask James Comey, preferably when Comey is under oath:</p>
<p>&#8220;You told President Trump in early 2017 that the content of the Steele Dossier was &#8220;salacious and unverified.&#8221; The Horowitz report says that the Steele Dossier was the basis for FISA surveillance of Trump. When did you know that the contents of the Steele Dossier was &#8220;salacious and unverified?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/11/horowitz-speaks/#comment-2470235</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 14:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If my FB feed is any indication, the left in this country is fully willing to “cut down every law in England America to get at the Devil.”&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s worse than that.  They think quite well of themselves for it and cannot process arguments to the contrary.  At all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If my FB feed is any indication, the left in this country is fully willing to “cut down every law in England America to get at the Devil.”</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s worse than that.  They think quite well of themselves for it and cannot process arguments to the contrary.  At all.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/12/11/horowitz-speaks/#comment-2470229</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2019 12:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Loath as I am to think it, let alone say it, the FISC must end. No more secret spy court proceedings can be permitted: trust was given and now that good faith has been proven failed.

This is why we can&#039;t have nice things. Damned shame. Now people will have to die in undiscovered terror acts. This is what Barack Obama brought us. Thanks, Obama.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loath as I am to think it, let alone say it, the FISC must end. No more secret spy court proceedings can be permitted: trust was given and now that good faith has been proven failed.</p>
<p>This is why we can&#8217;t have nice things. Damned shame. Now people will have to die in undiscovered terror acts. This is what Barack Obama brought us. Thanks, Obama.</p>
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