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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/history-of-the-womens-vote-in-the-us/#comment-2467906</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I witnessed a fascinating conversation. Mrs. Firefly and I were out with two other couples; long time friends. It was 2008 and  the two other wives were singing Senator Obama&#039;s praises. Both their husbands explained that policies he was explicitly campaigning on would almost certainly negatively impact their industries and result in reduced income, if not unemployment. The wives started loudly chanting, &quot;Obama!&quot; &quot;Obama!&quot; Their husbands were getting irritated and made their case again, with facts and citing quotes from Obama. (My wife and I stayed out of it.) The chanting just got louder.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I witnessed a fascinating conversation. Mrs. Firefly and I were out with two other couples; long time friends. It was 2008 and  the two other wives were singing Senator Obama&#8217;s praises. Both their husbands explained that policies he was explicitly campaigning on would almost certainly negatively impact their industries and result in reduced income, if not unemployment. The wives started loudly chanting, &#8220;Obama!&#8221; &#8220;Obama!&#8221; Their husbands were getting irritated and made their case again, with facts and citing quotes from Obama. (My wife and I stayed out of it.) The chanting just got louder.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/history-of-the-womens-vote-in-the-us/#comment-2467905</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2019 08:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[R.C.,

It is an interesting mental exercise to devise schemes to get a more effective electorate. I like the ideas of needing some &quot;skin in the game;&quot; paying taxes or owning land. Or, as you suggest, a citizenship or civics exam.

However, I&#039;m more opposed to disenfranchisement and such schemes always end up sounding a bit totalitarian, or elitist to me. Our country has an unfortunate history with poll taxes and other methods to disenfranchise citizens. It is a slippery slope that can be abused.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R.C.,</p>
<p>It is an interesting mental exercise to devise schemes to get a more effective electorate. I like the ideas of needing some &#8220;skin in the game;&#8221; paying taxes or owning land. Or, as you suggest, a citizenship or civics exam.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m more opposed to disenfranchisement and such schemes always end up sounding a bit totalitarian, or elitist to me. Our country has an unfortunate history with poll taxes and other methods to disenfranchise citizens. It is a slippery slope that can be abused.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/history-of-the-womens-vote-in-the-us/#comment-2467904</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Nov 2019 08:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo,

Thanks for straightening out the record and correcting my hyperbolic prose. It seems theoretical to me that unwed women and single mothers would tilt towards the party offering the most paternalism. Also, women who have a partner who earns most or all of the household income would tend to vote for the party that campaigns on taking the smallest amount of their household income in taxes. But it doesn&#039;t appear to be that straight forward.

In Presidential elections Mrs. Firefly is pretty much a single issue voter; Pro Life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo,</p>
<p>Thanks for straightening out the record and correcting my hyperbolic prose. It seems theoretical to me that unwed women and single mothers would tilt towards the party offering the most paternalism. Also, women who have a partner who earns most or all of the household income would tend to vote for the party that campaigns on taking the smallest amount of their household income in taxes. But it doesn&#8217;t appear to be that straight forward.</p>
<p>In Presidential elections Mrs. Firefly is pretty much a single issue voter; Pro Life.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/history-of-the-womens-vote-in-the-us/#comment-2467822</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 04:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Denaturated alcohol is still available as “rubbing” alcohol”. It has intentionally added compounds to make it very unpalatable for use as booze, but it is not poisonous unless one has suicidal intent.. --Cicero&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m a big fan of &quot;Withnail &#038; I,&quot; a Brit black comedy that never really caught on over here, though over there people can recite lines with the same comprehensive verve of &quot;Rocky Horror&quot; fans.

It&#039;s about a pair of young, broke, out-of-work actors, who share an unheated, terminally messy London flat in 1969. One funny bit early in the film shows the actor Richard E. Grant (who eventually made it in Hollywood) demanding booze, then settling for lighter fluid, while proclaiming it far superior to &quot;meths&quot; (methylated alcohol -- denatured alcohol).

The lighter fluid was supposed to contain water, but the director secretly substituted vinegar, so Grant&#039;s pop-eyed expression upon swallowing was natural.

-- &quot;Withnail &#038; I&quot; &quot;Never Mix Your Drinks&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmXmVwOTwOU

Enjoy at your own risk...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Denaturated alcohol is still available as “rubbing” alcohol”. It has intentionally added compounds to make it very unpalatable for use as booze, but it is not poisonous unless one has suicidal intent.. &#8211;Cicero</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of &#8220;Withnail &amp; I,&#8221; a Brit black comedy that never really caught on over here, though over there people can recite lines with the same comprehensive verve of &#8220;Rocky Horror&#8221; fans.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about a pair of young, broke, out-of-work actors, who share an unheated, terminally messy London flat in 1969. One funny bit early in the film shows the actor Richard E. Grant (who eventually made it in Hollywood) demanding booze, then settling for lighter fluid, while proclaiming it far superior to &#8220;meths&#8221; (methylated alcohol &#8212; denatured alcohol).</p>
<p>The lighter fluid was supposed to contain water, but the director secretly substituted vinegar, so Grant&#8217;s pop-eyed expression upon swallowing was natural.</p>
<p>&#8212; &#8220;Withnail &amp; I&#8221; &#8220;Never Mix Your Drinks&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmXmVwOTwOU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmXmVwOTwOU</a></p>
<p>Enjoy at your own risk&#8230;</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/history-of-the-womens-vote-in-the-us/#comment-2467817</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 03:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It was true that women played a role – just as they played a huge role in the abolition movement – but prohibition was supported and voted for by men. &lt;/i&gt;

Eva Marie &#038; all: Does anyone remember in the sixties the quaint conviction many men had, including intellectuals, that women really ran the world by covertly running their husbands and sons? 

I think it went back to Philip Wylie&#039;s &quot;Generation of Vipers,&quot; where Wylie introduced the term, &quot;Momism,&quot; though no doubt further antecedents could be found.

Wylie was a classic, self-made, American intellectual who wrote pulp fiction, novels, movie scripts and ranting essays all over the place, of which &quot;Generations of Vipers&quot; was the most famous. His novel, &quot;The End of the Dream,&quot; an early entry into eco-catastrophic fiction, scarred me when I was 20.

Wylie had a certain amount of cultural clout in his day but has since been almost entirely forgotten.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It was true that women played a role – just as they played a huge role in the abolition movement – but prohibition was supported and voted for by men. </i></p>
<p>Eva Marie &amp; all: Does anyone remember in the sixties the quaint conviction many men had, including intellectuals, that women really ran the world by covertly running their husbands and sons? </p>
<p>I think it went back to Philip Wylie&#8217;s &#8220;Generation of Vipers,&#8221; where Wylie introduced the term, &#8220;Momism,&#8221; though no doubt further antecedents could be found.</p>
<p>Wylie was a classic, self-made, American intellectual who wrote pulp fiction, novels, movie scripts and ranting essays all over the place, of which &#8220;Generations of Vipers&#8221; was the most famous. His novel, &#8220;The End of the Dream,&#8221; an early entry into eco-catastrophic fiction, scarred me when I was 20.</p>
<p>Wylie had a certain amount of cultural clout in his day but has since been almost entirely forgotten.</p>
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		By: Eva Marie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 02:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you TommyJay. Fascinating. That and the story of prohibition intertwined with WWI rationing and the introduction of the income tax is so interesting. But setting that all aside, it really ticks me off that the constant refrain has always been that it was the woman’s vote that brought on prohibition. It was true that women played a role - just as they played a huge role in the abolition movement - but prohibition was supported and voted for by men. By 1919, 33 of the 48 states were dry. By 1919, 15 states allowed women to vote.
It just goes along with the above eye opening post on women’s voting patterns.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you TommyJay. Fascinating. That and the story of prohibition intertwined with WWI rationing and the introduction of the income tax is so interesting. But setting that all aside, it really ticks me off that the constant refrain has always been that it was the woman’s vote that brought on prohibition. It was true that women played a role &#8211; just as they played a huge role in the abolition movement &#8211; but prohibition was supported and voted for by men. By 1919, 33 of the 48 states were dry. By 1919, 15 states allowed women to vote.<br />
It just goes along with the above eye opening post on women’s voting patterns.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 01:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[German women played a vital role in the Nazi movement, one which far exceeded the Nazi Party’s propaganda that a woman’s place was strictly in the home as mothers and child-bearers. Of the estimated forty million German women in the Reich, some thirteen million were active in Nazi Party organizations that furthered the regime’s goals of racial purity, imperial conquest, and global war. 
the 

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They served as welfare workers, teachers, secretaries, nurses, auxiliaries in the armed forces and police, and in many other occupations including as guards in concentration camps. 

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A minority of German women who resisted the regime’s policies or were branded biologically inferior were persecuted. Hundreds of thousands were forcibly sterilized and tens of thousands were incarcerated in the camp system. 

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Women were central to Adolf Hitler’s plan to create an ideal “Aryan” Community (Volksgemeinschaft). &lt;b&gt;Praising German women as “our most loyal, fanatical fellow-combatants,” Hitler valued women for both their activism in the Nazi movement&lt;/b&gt; and their biological power as generators of the race. In Nazi thinking, a larger, racially purer population would enhance Germany’s military strength and provide settlers to colonize conquered territory in eastern Europe. The Third Reich’s aggressive population policy encouraged “racially pure” women to bear as many children as possible. 

Holocaust Enclyclopedia

the left copies the left..  and what they learned is that you can sway women as a single block a lot more than you can sway men... madison avenue knows the same and laments how they never got all the metrosexuals by various names to go out and shop till they drop...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>German women played a vital role in the Nazi movement, one which far exceeded the Nazi Party’s propaganda that a woman’s place was strictly in the home as mothers and child-bearers. Of the estimated forty million German women in the Reich, some thirteen million were active in Nazi Party organizations that furthered the regime’s goals of racial purity, imperial conquest, and global war.<br />
the </p>
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<p>They served as welfare workers, teachers, secretaries, nurses, auxiliaries in the armed forces and police, and in many other occupations including as guards in concentration camps. </p>
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<p>A minority of German women who resisted the regime’s policies or were branded biologically inferior were persecuted. Hundreds of thousands were forcibly sterilized and tens of thousands were incarcerated in the camp system. </p>
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<p>Women were central to Adolf Hitler’s plan to create an ideal “Aryan” Community (Volksgemeinschaft). <b>Praising German women as “our most loyal, fanatical fellow-combatants,” Hitler valued women for both their activism in the Nazi movement</b> and their biological power as generators of the race. In Nazi thinking, a larger, racially purer population would enhance Germany’s military strength and provide settlers to colonize conquered territory in eastern Europe. The Third Reich’s aggressive population policy encouraged “racially pure” women to bear as many children as possible. </p>
<p>Holocaust Enclyclopedia</p>
<p>the left copies the left..  and what they learned is that you can sway women as a single block a lot more than you can sway men&#8230; madison avenue knows the same and laments how they never got all the metrosexuals by various names to go out and shop till they drop&#8230;</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cicero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Methanol is CH3OH,  Ethanol, its first cousin, Is C2H7OH. It was not the intentional addition of toxins by moonshiners or anyone else to poison consumers during Prohibition. It was just sloppy distilling, getting some methanol in with the corn whisky (ethanol). Methanol in low amounts, mixed with ethanol, is basically tasteless but severely harmful.
Denaturated alcohol is still available as &quot;rubbing&quot; alcohol&quot;. It has intentionally added compounds to make it very unpalatable for use as booze, but it is not poisonous unless one has suicidal intent..

Methanol is entirely toxic.
Ethanol is not too good for us either!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Methanol is CH3OH,  Ethanol, its first cousin, Is C2H7OH. It was not the intentional addition of toxins by moonshiners or anyone else to poison consumers during Prohibition. It was just sloppy distilling, getting some methanol in with the corn whisky (ethanol). Methanol in low amounts, mixed with ethanol, is basically tasteless but severely harmful.<br />
Denaturated alcohol is still available as &#8220;rubbing&#8221; alcohol&#8221;. It has intentionally added compounds to make it very unpalatable for use as booze, but it is not poisonous unless one has suicidal intent..</p>
<p>Methanol is entirely toxic.<br />
Ethanol is not too good for us either!</p>
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		By: Ciciero		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ciciero]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 18:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The &quot;new&quot; feminist movement of the 1970s on is an obscene fraud, which is why Democrats switched to it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;new&#8221; feminist movement of the 1970s on is an obscene fraud, which is why Democrats switched to it.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Eva Marie,
I wrote this long comment earlier and deleted it, and I&#039;ll try to keep it shorter.  There was an amazing pair of men, whose names I&#039;ve forgotten, who became the coroner and med. examiner of NYC in the early 20th century.  The coroner was a consummate politician who acquired some money, power, and freedom for the ME, who was a medical science wizard.  Charles Norris, I think.  He revolutionized the ME business.

The side story was that the ME at one point was dealing with thousands of men and perhaps a few women who died from drinking denatured alcohol.  &quot;Denaturing&quot; was a Prohibition tactic of adding poisons to otherwise drinkable ethanol.  In spite of the warning labels some people still drank it.

The ME began an aggressive PR campaign to A) warn people about the dangers, and B) repeal Prohibition.  Because he was gaining traction in his campaign the gov. added even more poisons to the alcohol, thinking that then people would take the hint and stop drinking it, but the number of deaths increased.  Eventually, of course, Prohibition was repealed.

Here is a long version piece entitled &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v10/n136/a08.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;The Chemists War.&quot;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eva Marie,<br />
I wrote this long comment earlier and deleted it, and I&#8217;ll try to keep it shorter.  There was an amazing pair of men, whose names I&#8217;ve forgotten, who became the coroner and med. examiner of NYC in the early 20th century.  The coroner was a consummate politician who acquired some money, power, and freedom for the ME, who was a medical science wizard.  Charles Norris, I think.  He revolutionized the ME business.</p>
<p>The side story was that the ME at one point was dealing with thousands of men and perhaps a few women who died from drinking denatured alcohol.  &#8220;Denaturing&#8221; was a Prohibition tactic of adding poisons to otherwise drinkable ethanol.  In spite of the warning labels some people still drank it.</p>
<p>The ME began an aggressive PR campaign to A) warn people about the dangers, and B) repeal Prohibition.  Because he was gaining traction in his campaign the gov. added even more poisons to the alcohol, thinking that then people would take the hint and stop drinking it, but the number of deaths increased.  Eventually, of course, Prohibition was repealed.</p>
<p>Here is a long version piece entitled <a href="http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v10/n136/a08.html" rel="nofollow">&#8220;The Chemists War.&#8221;</a></p>
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