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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/biden-and-bloomberg-trump-as-existential-threat/#comment-2469057</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Good post that lays out a lot of arguments against Bloomberg, which is that he is the very epitome of the worst kind of politician.

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/michael-bloomberg-tax-the-poor-for-their-own-good/
BY LARRY ELDER DECEMBER 5, 2019
&lt;blockquote&gt; All of this makes Bloomberg the very definition of the &quot;moral busybody&quot; scorned by respected writer C.S. Lewis, who said: &quot;Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron&#039;s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.&quot;
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As to Bloomberg&#039;s argument that the poor need to be coerced into making better, more healthful decisions, Thomas Jefferson wrote: &quot;I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.&quot;

Freedom, by definition, means people can and will make choices others will not like. But to encourage people to make better decisions, one does not rob them of freedom of choice. One uses persuasion, not compulsion.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post that lays out a lot of arguments against Bloomberg, which is that he is the very epitome of the worst kind of politician.</p>
<p><a href="https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/michael-bloomberg-tax-the-poor-for-their-own-good/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/michael-bloomberg-tax-the-poor-for-their-own-good/</a><br />
BY LARRY ELDER DECEMBER 5, 2019</p>
<blockquote><p> All of this makes Bloomberg the very definition of the &#8220;moral busybody&#8221; scorned by respected writer C.S. Lewis, who said: &#8220;Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron&#8217;s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.&#8221;<br />
&#8230;<br />
As to Bloomberg&#8217;s argument that the poor need to be coerced into making better, more healthful decisions, Thomas Jefferson wrote: &#8220;I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power.&#8221;</p>
<p>Freedom, by definition, means people can and will make choices others will not like. But to encourage people to make better decisions, one does not rob them of freedom of choice. One uses persuasion, not compulsion.
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/biden-and-bloomberg-trump-as-existential-threat/#comment-2468909</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Dec 2019 03:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;How about Trump on both tickets?&quot;

Schroedinger&#039;s Candidate?

IIRC, he waffled between the Democrats and Republicans for years before deciding to crash the GOP party. Arguably, if the Dems had just let sleeping Very Stable Geniuses Lie (as in &quot;recumbent&quot;), they would not have generated any of the investigations they are now facing (Streisand Effect on steroids).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How about Trump on both tickets?&#8221;</p>
<p>Schroedinger&#8217;s Candidate?</p>
<p>IIRC, he waffled between the Democrats and Republicans for years before deciding to crash the GOP party. Arguably, if the Dems had just let sleeping Very Stable Geniuses Lie (as in &#8220;recumbent&#8221;), they would not have generated any of the investigations they are now facing (Streisand Effect on steroids).</p>
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		By: Kai Akker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/biden-and-bloomberg-trump-as-existential-threat/#comment-2468690</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kai Akker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I get you on the 7:13 and 7:47 posts. And I get you on this one, too. A seemingly endless parade of junky thoughts and junky people. But let the Constitution stay in its simplicity. These Democratic candidates keep burning themselves out, appropriately. With any luck they won&#039;t have anyone left in November.

How about Trump on both tickets?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get you on the 7:13 and 7:47 posts. And I get you on this one, too. A seemingly endless parade of junky thoughts and junky people. But let the Constitution stay in its simplicity. These Democratic candidates keep burning themselves out, appropriately. With any luck they won&#8217;t have anyone left in November.</p>
<p>How about Trump on both tickets?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/biden-and-bloomberg-trump-as-existential-threat/#comment-2468688</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;So, yes, the Dem power guys got too complacent and didn’t order the final truckload.&quot;
Not a mistake they will make this time.

I would love to have a Constitutional amendment limiting all campaigns to the six months prior to the election.
This current system of launching the next campaign as soon as (or before?) the ballots are counted for the last one is crazy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, yes, the Dem power guys got too complacent and didn’t order the final truckload.&#8221;<br />
Not a mistake they will make this time.</p>
<p>I would love to have a Constitutional amendment limiting all campaigns to the six months prior to the election.<br />
This current system of launching the next campaign as soon as (or before?) the ballots are counted for the last one is crazy.</p>
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		By: Kai Akker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/biden-and-bloomberg-trump-as-existential-threat/#comment-2468521</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kai Akker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 02:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hey, aren&#039;t you forgetting the tight margins in many of the decisive states? All it would have taken in several of those is one MORE truckload of those absentee ballots the interns made up to have given us a President Hill. She was a battler, despite her keeling-over episodes. Those made the women love her even more; hanging in there against the awful males all around us. So, yes, the Dem power guys got too complacent and didn&#039;t order the final truckload. Now that they&#039;ve learned, next time could be much tougher.

Just in re Hillary the non-flake. Re Bloomberg, sure, might not pan out. But not for any shortage of leadership; that&#039;s his big plus. Saw his ads already hitting TV over the weekend. A doer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, aren&#8217;t you forgetting the tight margins in many of the decisive states? All it would have taken in several of those is one MORE truckload of those absentee ballots the interns made up to have given us a President Hill. She was a battler, despite her keeling-over episodes. Those made the women love her even more; hanging in there against the awful males all around us. So, yes, the Dem power guys got too complacent and didn&#8217;t order the final truckload. Now that they&#8217;ve learned, next time could be much tougher.</p>
<p>Just in re Hillary the non-flake. Re Bloomberg, sure, might not pan out. But not for any shortage of leadership; that&#8217;s his big plus. Saw his ads already hitting TV over the weekend. A doer.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/biden-and-bloomberg-trump-as-existential-threat/#comment-2468503</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 00:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To clarify a bit further: I was commenting less about the qualities of the candidates than the qualities of the supposed &quot;experienced hands&quot; in the Dem party, who are --after all -- the ones who conspired in 2016 to make Hillary the candidate, despite her obvious personal flaws and criminal actions.
Doesn&#039;t augur well for their favorite choice this time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify a bit further: I was commenting less about the qualities of the candidates than the qualities of the supposed &#8220;experienced hands&#8221; in the Dem party, who are &#8211;after all &#8212; the ones who conspired in 2016 to make Hillary the candidate, despite her obvious personal flaws and criminal actions.<br />
Doesn&#8217;t augur well for their favorite choice this time.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/26/biden-and-bloomberg-trump-as-existential-threat/#comment-2468497</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2019 00:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kai Akker on November 27, 2019 at 10:27 pm said:
&quot;When the chips are down, they want to win and this guy is the strongest of these candidates on that basis. I think the rank and file will gravitate to him in primaries as they perceive the same thing. &lt;b&gt;I grant you that his reversing former positions so quickly and pandering to dopes would seem to undercut this argument, &lt;/b&gt;but it may still turn out that he knows what he is doing in this regard.&quot;

I know you meant the current D candidates were flakes in the old-style hippie sense of &quot;loosely moored to reality,&quot; but the bolded sentence makes Bloomberg look just as flakey as the rest -- &lt;em&gt;as it also did Hillary when she changed many of her former positions for 2008 and 2016 &lt;/em&gt;-- something that both the cognoscenti and the regular voters may not be able to get past (even assuming the MSM don&#039;t just bury him so the latter get no opportunity to inspect his sterling qualitities; at last look, the media were stumping for Warren, but I may be behind the news a bit).

I think Bloomberg&#039;s time in the Democratic Party is way past going back to, and Biden had the eminence gris slot sewn up anyway (if he still does).
But, you could be right.
Strange things happen in Presidential primaries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kai Akker on November 27, 2019 at 10:27 pm said:<br />
&#8220;When the chips are down, they want to win and this guy is the strongest of these candidates on that basis. I think the rank and file will gravitate to him in primaries as they perceive the same thing. <b>I grant you that his reversing former positions so quickly and pandering to dopes would seem to undercut this argument, </b>but it may still turn out that he knows what he is doing in this regard.&#8221;</p>
<p>I know you meant the current D candidates were flakes in the old-style hippie sense of &#8220;loosely moored to reality,&#8221; but the bolded sentence makes Bloomberg look just as flakey as the rest &#8212; <em>as it also did Hillary when she changed many of her former positions for 2008 and 2016 </em>&#8212; something that both the cognoscenti and the regular voters may not be able to get past (even assuming the MSM don&#8217;t just bury him so the latter get no opportunity to inspect his sterling qualitities; at last look, the media were stumping for Warren, but I may be behind the news a bit).</p>
<p>I think Bloomberg&#8217;s time in the Democratic Party is way past going back to, and Biden had the eminence gris slot sewn up anyway (if he still does).<br />
But, you could be right.<br />
Strange things happen in Presidential primaries.</p>
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		By: Kai Akker		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2019 21:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aesop, I just caught up with your comment. Would you really say Hillary Clinton was a flake? 

She is a lot of things, and I agree with your other characterization of her, but I don&#039;t think a tough killer like her could be considered in the same category with E Warren, B Sanders, or even Joey B. We are darned lucky she didn&#039;t listen more to her husband&#039;s advice, because she still came so close -- so close. That Foundation was a powerhouse while it ran.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aesop, I just caught up with your comment. Would you really say Hillary Clinton was a flake? </p>
<p>She is a lot of things, and I agree with your other characterization of her, but I don&#8217;t think a tough killer like her could be considered in the same category with E Warren, B Sanders, or even Joey B. We are darned lucky she didn&#8217;t listen more to her husband&#8217;s advice, because she still came so close &#8212; so close. That Foundation was a powerhouse while it ran.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Dec 2019 03:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kai Akker on November 27, 2019 at 10:27 pm said:
... There are too many knowledgeable, experienced hands within the party to let the nomination go to a flake — that is my operating assumption. When the chips are down, they want to win and this guy is the strongest of these candidates on that basis.
* * *
I&#039;m back from vacation, so this is old news, but I wanted to point out that those KEHs did, in 2016, let the nomination go to a flake, who was also a criminal-walking.
So, they may want to win, but they have no idea HOW anymore.
No bets on Bloomberg on that count.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kai Akker on November 27, 2019 at 10:27 pm said:<br />
&#8230; There are too many knowledgeable, experienced hands within the party to let the nomination go to a flake — that is my operating assumption. When the chips are down, they want to win and this guy is the strongest of these candidates on that basis.<br />
* * *<br />
I&#8217;m back from vacation, so this is old news, but I wanted to point out that those KEHs did, in 2016, let the nomination go to a flake, who was also a criminal-walking.<br />
So, they may want to win, but they have no idea HOW anymore.<br />
No bets on Bloomberg on that count.</p>
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		By: Xennady		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Nov 2019 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kai Akker,

Point taken, and you may well be correct.

However, I doubt it. I suspect the leftist base has moved to far away from reality to be interested in such things as qualifications and competence. Rank-and-file democrats may well be- but I also suspect those folks are Trump-curious and won&#039;t be fond of the pandering Bloomberg is about to uncork in an attempt to win over the activist crazies.

Of course, I could be completely wrong. Time will tell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kai Akker,</p>
<p>Point taken, and you may well be correct.</p>
<p>However, I doubt it. I suspect the leftist base has moved to far away from reality to be interested in such things as qualifications and competence. Rank-and-file democrats may well be- but I also suspect those folks are Trump-curious and won&#8217;t be fond of the pandering Bloomberg is about to uncork in an attempt to win over the activist crazies.</p>
<p>Of course, I could be completely wrong. Time will tell.</p>
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