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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/25/impeachment-in-the-house-and-trial-in-the-senate-two-different-animals/#comment-2467679</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdferr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 22:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ha, Rep. Lawrence has flipped back or backflipped into resuming her &lt;i&gt;firm&lt;/i&gt; support for impeachment. Best we not ask.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, Rep. Lawrence has flipped back or backflipped into resuming her <i>firm</i> support for impeachment. Best we not ask.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 19:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...saying that &#039;there&#039;s no joy in this&#039; and urging a somber spirit...&quot;

Hey, it&#039;s the old &quot;Son, this&#039;ll hurt me a lot more than it&#039;ll hurt you&quot; trick!!

Oh those compassionate Dems!!!... Those pillars of thoughtfulness. Those paragons of consideration....

Are Lowry&#039;s sources good? Not sure he needs sources. All he has to be able to do is read (outside the MSM) and work it out for himself---though granted, that does seem to be supremely difficult for a lot of people these days...

He is partisan, but that doesn&#039;t mean he can&#039;t be fair; for example, as far as &quot;a flagrantly incomplete factual record&quot; goes, I think he&#039;s being rather charitable....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;saying that &#8216;there&#8217;s no joy in this&#8217; and urging a somber spirit&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, it&#8217;s the old &#8220;Son, this&#8217;ll hurt me a lot more than it&#8217;ll hurt you&#8221; trick!!</p>
<p>Oh those compassionate Dems!!!&#8230; Those pillars of thoughtfulness. Those paragons of consideration&#8230;.</p>
<p>Are Lowry&#8217;s sources good? Not sure he needs sources. All he has to be able to do is read (outside the MSM) and work it out for himself&#8212;though granted, that does seem to be supremely difficult for a lot of people these days&#8230;</p>
<p>He is partisan, but that doesn&#8217;t mean he can&#8217;t be fair; for example, as far as &#8220;a flagrantly incomplete factual record&#8221; goes, I think he&#8217;s being rather charitable&#8230;.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 18:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to the JewishWorld article (by Rich Lowry), linked by Barry Meislin:

&lt;i&gt;The House is preparing to send a flagrantly incomplete factual record to the Senate as the basis of an effort to remove a sitting president for the first time in our history.

Pelosi has affected a posture of heavy-heartedness since the outset of the process, saying that &quot;there&#039;s no joy in this&quot; and urging a somber spirit as Democrats pursue the facts wherever they may take them — so long as that isn&#039;t too far into an election year.

--Rich Lowry, &quot;Why House Dems bent on half-arsed impeachment&quot;
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1119/lowry112619.php3&lt;/i&gt;

Hmm. I wonder how good Lowry&#039;s sources are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the JewishWorld article (by Rich Lowry), linked by Barry Meislin:</p>
<p><i>The House is preparing to send a flagrantly incomplete factual record to the Senate as the basis of an effort to remove a sitting president for the first time in our history.</p>
<p>Pelosi has affected a posture of heavy-heartedness since the outset of the process, saying that &#8220;there&#8217;s no joy in this&#8221; and urging a somber spirit as Democrats pursue the facts wherever they may take them — so long as that isn&#8217;t too far into an election year.</p>
<p>&#8211;Rich Lowry, &#8220;Why House Dems bent on half-arsed impeachment&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1119/lowry112619.php3" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1119/lowry112619.php3</a></i></p>
<p>Hmm. I wonder how good Lowry&#8217;s sources are.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 18:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sometimes it&#039;s difficult to determine what is corrupt.  Trump had to buy concrete from mob-controlled unionized companies, or he wouldn&#039;t have gotten his buildings in NYC built.  In return (in addition to the 20% higher cost), he insisted that the concrete be the &quot;best damn concrete poured in New York.&quot;  And he got it.  Was he corrupt for doing that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes it&#8217;s difficult to determine what is corrupt.  Trump had to buy concrete from mob-controlled unionized companies, or he wouldn&#8217;t have gotten his buildings in NYC built.  In return (in addition to the 20% higher cost), he insisted that the concrete be the &#8220;best damn concrete poured in New York.&#8221;  And he got it.  Was he corrupt for doing that?</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan on November 26, 2019 at 12:15 am said:

The excerpt from Anton.  I suspect that the vast majority of us underestimate the extent to which the environment in DC functions as a vast transactional array of threats and bribes.

A classic example is conviction of Gov. Blagojevich.  He attempted to sell a Senate seat for roughly $1M.  Not a wad of cash of course, but 3 years of a sinecure at $330K/year.  Plausible deniability.  His response then and even now was/is, &quot;What?  You think this is unusual?&quot;  I&#039;m amazed at how cheap these jokers are.

Then there is the secondary issue that the prosecutors really overstepped their bounds by trying the case in the media before the trial.  I want to care about prosecutorial abuses, but find it hard to do so when they take out a snake.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan on November 26, 2019 at 12:15 am said:</p>
<p>The excerpt from Anton.  I suspect that the vast majority of us underestimate the extent to which the environment in DC functions as a vast transactional array of threats and bribes.</p>
<p>A classic example is conviction of Gov. Blagojevich.  He attempted to sell a Senate seat for roughly $1M.  Not a wad of cash of course, but 3 years of a sinecure at $330K/year.  Plausible deniability.  His response then and even now was/is, &#8220;What?  You think this is unusual?&#8221;  I&#8217;m amazed at how cheap these jokers are.</p>
<p>Then there is the secondary issue that the prosecutors really overstepped their bounds by trying the case in the media before the trial.  I want to care about prosecutorial abuses, but find it hard to do so when they take out a snake.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 17:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Rush Limbaugh via J.J.

&quot;He’s guilty and would be impeached and removed except for all those corrupt Republican Senators who won’t vote to remove him. He’s guilty and the Republicans are too corrupt to do their Constitutional duty.&quot;

Ah ha.  &lt;b&gt;Control of the Senate could be a factor.&lt;/b&gt;  There are three avenues going forward.

1)  Pelosi stops short of impeachment and referral to the Senate (that&#039;s Rush&#039;s theory).
2)  Trump&#039;s impeached and it&#039;s referred to the Senate where judge McConnell dismisses the case.
3)  It&#039;s referred to the Senate, there&#039;s a trial and all or almost all GOP senators vote to acquit.

With 1) the Dems can claim that the GOP senators hypothetically would have voted to acquit (those corrupt SoB&#039;s), but it&#039;s a weak campaign claim.

With 2) McConnell probably wouldn&#039;t dismiss without consulting his party members.  So now the campaign claim is a little stronger.

But the campaign against GOP senators is the strongest if they force them to vote against convicting Trump.  This all is moot if public sentiment really turns against impeachment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Rush Limbaugh via J.J.</p>
<p>&#8220;He’s guilty and would be impeached and removed except for all those corrupt Republican Senators who won’t vote to remove him. He’s guilty and the Republicans are too corrupt to do their Constitutional duty.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah ha.  <b>Control of the Senate could be a factor.</b>  There are three avenues going forward.</p>
<p>1)  Pelosi stops short of impeachment and referral to the Senate (that&#8217;s Rush&#8217;s theory).<br />
2)  Trump&#8217;s impeached and it&#8217;s referred to the Senate where judge McConnell dismisses the case.<br />
3)  It&#8217;s referred to the Senate, there&#8217;s a trial and all or almost all GOP senators vote to acquit.</p>
<p>With 1) the Dems can claim that the GOP senators hypothetically would have voted to acquit (those corrupt SoB&#8217;s), but it&#8217;s a weak campaign claim.</p>
<p>With 2) McConnell probably wouldn&#8217;t dismiss without consulting his party members.  So now the campaign claim is a little stronger.</p>
<p>But the campaign against GOP senators is the strongest if they force them to vote against convicting Trump.  This all is moot if public sentiment really turns against impeachment.</p>
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		By: richf		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All of the above, plus #8, suggested by J.T.Young over on American Spectator.

8. The inquiry doesn&#039;t only damage Trump; the repeated references to corruption in the Ukraine damage Biden. This weakens him as a candidate, which will strengthen the position of more leftist candidates within the Democratic party. So even if Trump wins, the Leftists also win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the above, plus #8, suggested by J.T.Young over on American Spectator.</p>
<p>8. The inquiry doesn&#8217;t only damage Trump; the repeated references to corruption in the Ukraine damage Biden. This weakens him as a candidate, which will strengthen the position of more leftist candidates within the Democratic party. So even if Trump wins, the Leftists also win.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/11/25/impeachment-in-the-house-and-trial-in-the-senate-two-different-animals/#comment-2467612</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sdferr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Lawrence represents a heavily Democratic district that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton won with a roughly 60% margin in the 2016 presidential election. The district has not been represented by a Republican since 1948.&quot; -- Washington Examiner]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Lawrence represents a heavily Democratic district that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton won with a roughly 60% margin in the 2016 presidential election. The district has not been represented by a Republican since 1948.&#8221; &#8212; Washington Examiner</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related (H/T Powerline blog):
&quot;Why House Dems bent on half-arsed impeachment&quot; 
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1119/lowry112619.php3

File under: Hypocrisy unbound.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related (H/T Powerline blog):<br />
&#8220;Why House Dems bent on half-arsed impeachment&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1119/lowry112619.php3" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1119/lowry112619.php3</a></p>
<p>File under: Hypocrisy unbound.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sdferr: Yes, I&#039;m seeing a definite uptick on the Censure Option for Pelosi&#039;s Choice.

It may leave the base frustrated, but it allows Democrats a minor moral victory, while avoiding the pitfalls of a Senate trial or an electoral disaster for their candidates in red regions.

Trump will still crow exoneration and let slip the dogs of nyah-nyah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sdferr: Yes, I&#8217;m seeing a definite uptick on the Censure Option for Pelosi&#8217;s Choice.</p>
<p>It may leave the base frustrated, but it allows Democrats a minor moral victory, while avoiding the pitfalls of a Senate trial or an electoral disaster for their candidates in red regions.</p>
<p>Trump will still crow exoneration and let slip the dogs of nyah-nyah.</p>
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