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		By: David Foster		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr...there have been numerous widely-circulated studies asserting that the hormonal cycle and birth control have a serious impact on female facial preference.  The study cited the Scientific American was an attempt to validate or invalidate (as it turned out) those studies.  Not sure why that&#039;s &#039;misrepresenting&#039;, or who the &#039;misrepresenting&#039; accusation is directed at.

You&#039;re surely correct that male appearance matters less to women (on the average) than female appearance matters to men (fortunately for some of us), but it would be a rash man indeed who claimed that it never matters at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr&#8230;there have been numerous widely-circulated studies asserting that the hormonal cycle and birth control have a serious impact on female facial preference.  The study cited the Scientific American was an attempt to validate or invalidate (as it turned out) those studies.  Not sure why that&#8217;s &#8216;misrepresenting&#8217;, or who the &#8216;misrepresenting&#8217; accusation is directed at.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re surely correct that male appearance matters less to women (on the average) than female appearance matters to men (fortunately for some of us), but it would be a rash man indeed who claimed that it never matters at all.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey on November 18, 2019 at 12:34 pm said:	

There are so many unproven hypotheses about causes of the rise of autism that I do not seriously take any one of them. The very assertion that autism is on rise is doubtful. And for me genetics was not a hobby, but a profession, and I published a monograph on this topic in university publishers.

good for you... and my comment as hobby is that i no longer work there

but hey... the fact that the rates in silicon valley are up and that papers have proven it... &lt;b&gt;while the docs wrote papers, i read them - something they could never quite find the time to - but having complete access to this stuff and an eidetic memory helps&lt;/b&gt;

Evidence of Assortative Mating in Autism Spectrum Disorder.

Assortative mating is a nonrandom mating system in which individuals with similar genotypes and/or phenotypes mate with one another more frequently than would be expected in a random mating system. Assortative mating has been hypothesized to play a role in autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in an attempt to explain some of the increase in the prevalence of ASD that has recently been observed. ASD is considered to be a heritable neurodevelopmental disorder, but there is limited understanding of its causes. 

We investigated genotypically similar mating pairs using genome-wide single nucleotide polymorphism data on trio families (Autism Genome Project data [1590 parents] and Simons Simplex Collection data [1962 parents]). To determine whether or not an excess in genetic similarity was present, we employed kinship coefficients and examined spousal correlation between the principal components in both the Autism Genome Project and Simons Simplex Collection datasets. We also examined assortative mating using phenotype data on the parents to detect any correlation between ASD traits.

&lt;b&gt;We found significant evidence of genetic similarity between the parents of ASD offspring using both methods in the Autism Genome Project dataset. In the Simons Simplex Collection, there was also significant evidence of genetic similarity between the parents when explored through spousal correlation.&lt;/b&gt;

this is out THIS YEAR... ie new information
and i can show you a lot more since my job was to actually work with these data sets... i am a data magician... over 30 years of working with databases, math, and more and starting early from bronx science... 

oh. the conclusion: &lt;b&gt;CONCLUSIONS:

This study gives further support to the hypothesis that positive assortative mating plays a role in ASD.&lt;/b&gt;

Evidence of Assortative Mating in Autism Spectrum ... - NCBI
Two new theories of autism: hyper?systemising and ... - NCBI
The hyper-systemizing, assortative mating theory of autism. pubmed
Assortative Mating in Autism Spectrum Disorder - NCBI


oh.. and its being found out for other psychological problems


the point here is that single nucleotide polymorphism... my specialty where i worked with  Eric Schadt of illumina and pacbio... you do know him sergey? you then know where i worked... (for those not in the know, illumina makes the leading sequence machines and they put an army of them in our research college and hospital).. Shadt is an interesting billionaire... as i said, i have known several from different kinds of work...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey on November 18, 2019 at 12:34 pm said:	</p>
<p>There are so many unproven hypotheses about causes of the rise of autism that I do not seriously take any one of them. The very assertion that autism is on rise is doubtful. And for me genetics was not a hobby, but a profession, and I published a monograph on this topic in university publishers.</p>
<p>good for you&#8230; and my comment as hobby is that i no longer work there</p>
<p>but hey&#8230; the fact that the rates in silicon valley are up and that papers have proven it&#8230; <b>while the docs wrote papers, i read them &#8211; something they could never quite find the time to &#8211; but having complete access to this stuff and an eidetic memory helps</b></p>
<p>Evidence of Assortative Mating in Autism Spectrum Disorder.</p>
<p>Assortative mating is a nonrandom mating system in which individuals with similar genotypes and/or phenotypes mate with one another more frequently than would be expected in a random mating system. Assortative mating has been hypothesized to play a role in autism spectrum disorder (ASD) in an attempt to explain some of the increase in the prevalence of ASD that has recently been observed. ASD is considered to be a heritable neurodevelopmental disorder, but there is limited understanding of its causes. </p>
<p>We investigated genotypically similar mating pairs using genome-wide single nucleotide polymorphism data on trio families (Autism Genome Project data [1590 parents] and Simons Simplex Collection data [1962 parents]). To determine whether or not an excess in genetic similarity was present, we employed kinship coefficients and examined spousal correlation between the principal components in both the Autism Genome Project and Simons Simplex Collection datasets. We also examined assortative mating using phenotype data on the parents to detect any correlation between ASD traits.</p>
<p><b>We found significant evidence of genetic similarity between the parents of ASD offspring using both methods in the Autism Genome Project dataset. In the Simons Simplex Collection, there was also significant evidence of genetic similarity between the parents when explored through spousal correlation.</b></p>
<p>this is out THIS YEAR&#8230; ie new information<br />
and i can show you a lot more since my job was to actually work with these data sets&#8230; i am a data magician&#8230; over 30 years of working with databases, math, and more and starting early from bronx science&#8230; </p>
<p>oh. the conclusion: <b>CONCLUSIONS:</p>
<p>This study gives further support to the hypothesis that positive assortative mating plays a role in ASD.</b></p>
<p>Evidence of Assortative Mating in Autism Spectrum &#8230; &#8211; NCBI<br />
Two new theories of autism: hyper?systemising and &#8230; &#8211; NCBI<br />
The hyper-systemizing, assortative mating theory of autism. pubmed<br />
Assortative Mating in Autism Spectrum Disorder &#8211; NCBI</p>
<p>oh.. and its being found out for other psychological problems</p>
<p>the point here is that single nucleotide polymorphism&#8230; my specialty where i worked with  Eric Schadt of illumina and pacbio&#8230; you do know him sergey? you then know where i worked&#8230; (for those not in the know, illumina makes the leading sequence machines and they put an army of them in our research college and hospital).. Shadt is an interesting billionaire&#8230; as i said, i have known several from different kinds of work&#8230;</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The question remains how this magic of instant rapport actually works, in terms of neural biology. I found the answer in an article in &quot;American Greatness&quot; I have read today. So, I just copy it here:
&quot;The answer goes deep into our neural structures as humans, and in particular, to the amazing brain structure called our mirror neurons. We are deeply social beings, with infants that are deeply dependent on adults for a long time. So knowing how others are feeling isn’t a nicety, it’s a necessity for survival. When we see other people, and in particular when we see their expressive faces, our mirror neurons recreate inwardly the neural patterns that we would have if we ourselves were showing that facial expression. Often we actually do mimic the expression outwardly as well.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question remains how this magic of instant rapport actually works, in terms of neural biology. I found the answer in an article in &#8220;American Greatness&#8221; I have read today. So, I just copy it here:<br />
&#8220;The answer goes deep into our neural structures as humans, and in particular, to the amazing brain structure called our mirror neurons. We are deeply social beings, with infants that are deeply dependent on adults for a long time. So knowing how others are feeling isn’t a nicety, it’s a necessity for survival. When we see other people, and in particular when we see their expressive faces, our mirror neurons recreate inwardly the neural patterns that we would have if we ourselves were showing that facial expression. Often we actually do mimic the expression outwardly as well.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Mark Jordan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hate to be a Debbie-downer but I never liked this scene.  For one thing, the palm-to-palm line should&#039;ve been Juliet&#039;s left and right palms, not hers and Romeo&#039;s.  This would show the prayer gesture which is the verbal ruse this whole game is played on.  Worse, for me, was the extreme closeups.  I really, really detested those the first time I saw it and even now, watching it 40 years later, I repulse at it.

Finally, I never thought these actors &quot;beautiful.&quot;  They seem exotic in looks but not beautiful.  But hey, beauty&#039;s in the eye of the beholder.  

At any rate, this entire film was a miss for me.  I was teaching &quot;Romeo and Juliet&quot; to high school freshmen back in the day and it just didn&#039;t do it for me.  But there was one scene I remember that stood out and I loved:  when the Prince thunders at the end, &quot;All are punish&#039;d.&quot;  That was good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to be a Debbie-downer but I never liked this scene.  For one thing, the palm-to-palm line should&#8217;ve been Juliet&#8217;s left and right palms, not hers and Romeo&#8217;s.  This would show the prayer gesture which is the verbal ruse this whole game is played on.  Worse, for me, was the extreme closeups.  I really, really detested those the first time I saw it and even now, watching it 40 years later, I repulse at it.</p>
<p>Finally, I never thought these actors &#8220;beautiful.&#8221;  They seem exotic in looks but not beautiful.  But hey, beauty&#8217;s in the eye of the beholder.  </p>
<p>At any rate, this entire film was a miss for me.  I was teaching &#8220;Romeo and Juliet&#8221; to high school freshmen back in the day and it just didn&#8217;t do it for me.  But there was one scene I remember that stood out and I loved:  when the Prince thunders at the end, &#8220;All are punish&#8217;d.&#8221;  That was good.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/western-individualism-arose-from-incest-taboo/ 

WEIRD - &lt;i&gt;The Western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic (WEIRD) societies of Western Europe and what the authors call “their cultural descendants in North America and Australia” have long been recognized as outliers among the world’s populations for their independence of thought and other traits, such as a willingness to trust strangers.&lt;/i&gt;

No marriage of cousins &#062;&#062; support for the nuclear family.
With or without LAFS.]]></description>
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<p>WEIRD &#8211; <i>The Western, educated, industrialized, rich and democratic (WEIRD) societies of Western Europe and what the authors call “their cultural descendants in North America and Australia” have long been recognized as outliers among the world’s populations for their independence of thought and other traits, such as a willingness to trust strangers.</i></p>
<p>No marriage of cousins &gt;&gt; support for the nuclear family.<br />
With or without LAFS.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 18:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey:

Good point; &quot;at first sight&quot; works with friendship, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey:</p>
<p>Good point; &#8220;at first sight&#8221; works with friendship, too.</p>
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		By: Sergey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are so many unproven hypotheses about causes of the rise of autism that I do not seriously take any one of them. The very assertion that autism is on rise is doubtful. And for me genetics was not a hobby, but a profession, and I published a monograph on this topic in university publishers. The working of evolution is aimed at perfection of the human race in the long run, and it requires many sacrifices from  every generation of humans. Also, this instant recognition of an inherently compatible person works not only in romantic relationships, but in friendships of all kinds too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are so many unproven hypotheses about causes of the rise of autism that I do not seriously take any one of them. The very assertion that autism is on rise is doubtful. And for me genetics was not a hobby, but a profession, and I published a monograph on this topic in university publishers. The working of evolution is aimed at perfection of the human race in the long run, and it requires many sacrifices from  every generation of humans. Also, this instant recognition of an inherently compatible person works not only in romantic relationships, but in friendships of all kinds too.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sergey on November 18, 2019 at 9:05 am said:	
Assortative mating is a great force in human evolution........

its believed that this is the cause of the rise in autism.. 
&lt;b&gt;Evidence of Assortative Mating in Autism Spectrum Disorder&lt;/b&gt;

and other things like being deaf... (because deaf people marry deaf people now much more than before)... and size... etc.. 

the negatives that make their ability to marry into the mainstream, causes their recessives to come out

autosomal recessive disorders are increased by that kind of mating
which goes against, women&#039;s desire to have farther apart MHC and so healthier children that do not suffer such.. 

i worked in genetics, my friend was the head of the genetics area, my son graduated honors in genetics... its a hobby for me for fun not profit..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sergey on November 18, 2019 at 9:05 am said:<br />
Assortative mating is a great force in human evolution&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>its believed that this is the cause of the rise in autism..<br />
<b>Evidence of Assortative Mating in Autism Spectrum Disorder</b></p>
<p>and other things like being deaf&#8230; (because deaf people marry deaf people now much more than before)&#8230; and size&#8230; etc.. </p>
<p>the negatives that make their ability to marry into the mainstream, causes their recessives to come out</p>
<p>autosomal recessive disorders are increased by that kind of mating<br />
which goes against, women&#8217;s desire to have farther apart MHC and so healthier children that do not suffer such.. </p>
<p>i worked in genetics, my friend was the head of the genetics area, my son graduated honors in genetics&#8230; its a hobby for me for fun not profit..</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[David Foster on November 18, 2019 at 8:32 am said:	
Re the effect of birth control pills on attraction, here’s a study that says it isn’t so:

its misrepresenting... the studies i showed were in the detail of actual attraction

the one your linking to is really this study they link to
No Compelling Evidence that Preferences for Facial Masculinity Track Changes in Women’s Hormonal Status 

ie... the smell doesnt change the faces they like... 

This is nothing new... as women dont select men by beauty like men select women...  women look at things like status, carry, even hands and feet... as much if not more than the face...  

ergo the saying:
Power is the greatest aphrodisiac

obviously if power makes your blood go whoo whoo... face has to be secondary

but of course, they are now selling that being a man is being a &quot;twink&quot;
the Asians using a term translated loosely as &quot;Little Fresh Meat&quot;

&lt;i&gt;Little Fresh Meat (????is an internet buzz word in China used to describe handsome young males. It is most commonly used for celebrities, particularly a rising star&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;b&gt;As the term &quot;little fresh meat&quot; has been used by women to express their desire/hunger for young, good-looking men, a psychologist stated that it is a progress for women to recognize their sexual needs and self-gratification in the otherwise restrained society in China&lt;/b&gt;

[except that when they follow a dictated fad, they end up even less happy as the cougers lose their young men, and the young men get older... they do not build a lasting loving relationship as they did before, they build surface shallow relationships that have little to bond them]

The popularity of the &quot;little fresh meat&quot; have also saw a change in tide, where beauty and cosmetic companies in China are starting to ask young male celebrities to endorse their products instead of female celebrities

Black Pigeon Speaks explores the relationship between moonbattery and metrosexual unmanliness, which the ChiCommies suspect the USA of having weaponized
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&#038;v=3tr43h-N7hc&#038;feature=emb_logo

they been trying to metrosexualize since the 1980s... 
as they think women want lesbian relationships, and men should be more like a woman with a penis... or a woman with a penis that doesnt believe they are male?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Foster on November 18, 2019 at 8:32 am said:<br />
Re the effect of birth control pills on attraction, here’s a study that says it isn’t so:</p>
<p>its misrepresenting&#8230; the studies i showed were in the detail of actual attraction</p>
<p>the one your linking to is really this study they link to<br />
No Compelling Evidence that Preferences for Facial Masculinity Track Changes in Women’s Hormonal Status </p>
<p>ie&#8230; the smell doesnt change the faces they like&#8230; </p>
<p>This is nothing new&#8230; as women dont select men by beauty like men select women&#8230;  women look at things like status, carry, even hands and feet&#8230; as much if not more than the face&#8230;  </p>
<p>ergo the saying:<br />
Power is the greatest aphrodisiac</p>
<p>obviously if power makes your blood go whoo whoo&#8230; face has to be secondary</p>
<p>but of course, they are now selling that being a man is being a &#8220;twink&#8221;<br />
the Asians using a term translated loosely as &#8220;Little Fresh Meat&#8221;</p>
<p><i>Little Fresh Meat (????is an internet buzz word in China used to describe handsome young males. It is most commonly used for celebrities, particularly a rising star</i><br />
<b>As the term &#8220;little fresh meat&#8221; has been used by women to express their desire/hunger for young, good-looking men, a psychologist stated that it is a progress for women to recognize their sexual needs and self-gratification in the otherwise restrained society in China</b></p>
<p>[except that when they follow a dictated fad, they end up even less happy as the cougers lose their young men, and the young men get older&#8230; they do not build a lasting loving relationship as they did before, they build surface shallow relationships that have little to bond them]</p>
<p>The popularity of the &#8220;little fresh meat&#8221; have also saw a change in tide, where beauty and cosmetic companies in China are starting to ask young male celebrities to endorse their products instead of female celebrities</p>
<p>Black Pigeon Speaks explores the relationship between moonbattery and metrosexual unmanliness, which the ChiCommies suspect the USA of having weaponized<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&#038;v=3tr43h-N7hc&#038;feature=emb_logo" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&#038;v=3tr43h-N7hc&#038;feature=emb_logo</a></p>
<p>they been trying to metrosexualize since the 1980s&#8230;<br />
as they think women want lesbian relationships, and men should be more like a woman with a penis&#8230; or a woman with a penis that doesnt believe they are male?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 15:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding &quot;Sin&quot; and &quot;Fine&quot;, this is kind of out there and I&#039;m presenting it as an observation rather than an argument, but :

Benny Hill once did a routine based on the fact that in some old texts the characters for &quot;s&quot; and &quot;f&quot; were basically identical. 

Throw in the vagaries of spelling that were common in Shakespeare&#039;s time (Walt Kelly&#039;s Pogo once observed that he didn&#039;t even spell his own name consistently), and &quot;sinne&quot; might have been misread as &quot;finne&quot;, or vice versa.

Regarding love at first sight, I think it does happen but it only works if it&#039;s mutual, which is probably pretty rare.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding &#8220;Sin&#8221; and &#8220;Fine&#8221;, this is kind of out there and I&#8217;m presenting it as an observation rather than an argument, but :</p>
<p>Benny Hill once did a routine based on the fact that in some old texts the characters for &#8220;s&#8221; and &#8220;f&#8221; were basically identical. </p>
<p>Throw in the vagaries of spelling that were common in Shakespeare&#8217;s time (Walt Kelly&#8217;s Pogo once observed that he didn&#8217;t even spell his own name consistently), and &#8220;sinne&#8221; might have been misread as &#8220;finne&#8221;, or vice versa.</p>
<p>Regarding love at first sight, I think it does happen but it only works if it&#8217;s mutual, which is probably pretty rare.</p>
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