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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aesop, 

A blast from the past for sure!  I haven&#039;t heard &#039;fershluginner&#039; since my Honey finished his postdoc in 1974.  Music to these old ears.  And much heard amongst the denizens of the ivy-covered halls of math and science at the U. of Chicago.

Bless you, my child!   :&#062;)))]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aesop, </p>
<p>A blast from the past for sure!  I haven&#8217;t heard &#8216;fershluginner&#8217; since my Honey finished his postdoc in 1974.  Music to these old ears.  And much heard amongst the denizens of the ivy-covered halls of math and science at the U. of Chicago.</p>
<p>Bless you, my child!   :&gt;)))</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 20:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh I hadn&#039;t mentioned that my genius friend had worked at Northwest Airlines on an Operations Research kind of project:
revenue maximization thru differential pricing.

He was involved in helping create the plethora of different revenue classes so that the airlines could &quot;optimize&quot; their pricing policy.  Northwest licensed that code to many other airlines.
My friend got lots of free pass flying to Slovakia, including coming for my wedding, and even getting tickets for my mother and one sister to come.
Big heart, ready to give a lot to friends, but demanding on those friends.

Roy, I&#039;m pretty sure business class (2 or 3x more expensive?) is wide enough.  But who wants to pay out of pocket &quot;so much&quot; more, just for a little more comfort for just a couple of hours?

On the other hand, why aren&#039;t there some wider economy plus seats only 20% more expensive, for 15% more legspace?

Genius friend long ago left the airlines, and the PC dominated bosses -- I&#039;d guess they&#039;re now afraid to adjust the 30-25 year old &quot;legacy code&quot;, which works but most are afraid to change anything.

As some stagnant situation gets more optimized, thru more complex computerized algorithms, it gets more and more expensive to make adjustments or enhancements.  This is still not much talked about in public. 

Please provide feedback to the airlines whenever you can, complaining about the inflexibility of getting better service from them.  They all monitor their feedback comments now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I hadn&#8217;t mentioned that my genius friend had worked at Northwest Airlines on an Operations Research kind of project:<br />
revenue maximization thru differential pricing.</p>
<p>He was involved in helping create the plethora of different revenue classes so that the airlines could &#8220;optimize&#8221; their pricing policy.  Northwest licensed that code to many other airlines.<br />
My friend got lots of free pass flying to Slovakia, including coming for my wedding, and even getting tickets for my mother and one sister to come.<br />
Big heart, ready to give a lot to friends, but demanding on those friends.</p>
<p>Roy, I&#8217;m pretty sure business class (2 or 3x more expensive?) is wide enough.  But who wants to pay out of pocket &#8220;so much&#8221; more, just for a little more comfort for just a couple of hours?</p>
<p>On the other hand, why aren&#8217;t there some wider economy plus seats only 20% more expensive, for 15% more legspace?</p>
<p>Genius friend long ago left the airlines, and the PC dominated bosses &#8212; I&#8217;d guess they&#8217;re now afraid to adjust the 30-25 year old &#8220;legacy code&#8221;, which works but most are afraid to change anything.</p>
<p>As some stagnant situation gets more optimized, thru more complex computerized algorithms, it gets more and more expensive to make adjustments or enhancements.  This is still not much talked about in public. </p>
<p>Please provide feedback to the airlines whenever you can, complaining about the inflexibility of getting better service from them.  They all monitor their feedback comments now.</p>
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		By: Fred the Fourth		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,
&quot;Security lines are ridiculously abysmal; European airports are just too small for the traffic.&quot;
It&#039;s not the smallness. Not the physical smallness, anyway...
We entered France at DeGaulle on Bastille Day, 2015. The passport check hall was huge, with maybe 15 booths.
Exactly one of which was manned.
As successive planes arrived, the hall filled beyond capacity. Grumbling began, then loud grumbling.
Aha! New staff arrive! Yay!
Wait...Turns out the new staff are actually security cops, who stand at the front of the hall glaring at the potential mob.
After another half hour or so, a handful of additional staff show up and the lines start to move. Riot averted.
I figured, hey, it&#039;s Bastille Day!  Staff gets the day off! We&#039;re too cheap to pay time-and-a-half (or whatever french law requires, but I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a lot). Never mind that it&#039;s one of the biggest travel days in the country. And need I mention that the Tour de France was in progress?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,<br />
&#8220;Security lines are ridiculously abysmal; European airports are just too small for the traffic.&#8221;<br />
It&#8217;s not the smallness. Not the physical smallness, anyway&#8230;<br />
We entered France at DeGaulle on Bastille Day, 2015. The passport check hall was huge, with maybe 15 booths.<br />
Exactly one of which was manned.<br />
As successive planes arrived, the hall filled beyond capacity. Grumbling began, then loud grumbling.<br />
Aha! New staff arrive! Yay!<br />
Wait&#8230;Turns out the new staff are actually security cops, who stand at the front of the hall glaring at the potential mob.<br />
After another half hour or so, a handful of additional staff show up and the lines start to move. Riot averted.<br />
I figured, hey, it&#8217;s Bastille Day!  Staff gets the day off! We&#8217;re too cheap to pay time-and-a-half (or whatever french law requires, but I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a lot). Never mind that it&#8217;s one of the biggest travel days in the country. And need I mention that the Tour de France was in progress?</p>
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		By: CaptDMO		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CaptDMO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Recently saw an &quot;exciting&quot; ad on tee vee touting how Reese&#039;s is making Peanut butter cups THINNER!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recently saw an &#8220;exciting&#8221; ad on tee vee touting how Reese&#8217;s is making Peanut butter cups THINNER!</p>
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		By: Roy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 17:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Most travelers want two things above all - comfort and reliability. The airlines no longer deliver either one - at least not at the current price point.

Security is a hassle, but that has nothing to do with delayed or cancelled flights, overbooking, or lost bags.

The airlines have been in a service death spiral for years. The seats keep getting smaller and smaller and the seat pitch keeps getting shorter to the point that my thigh is longer than the space between seats making me have to sit a little sideways for the entire flight. (I&#039;m 6&#039;2&quot;) It seems to me that the only people who can ride in comfort in coach anymore are little kids.

These days, the only way I will fly rather than drive is if time is a factor or it&#039;s impossible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most travelers want two things above all &#8211; comfort and reliability. The airlines no longer deliver either one &#8211; at least not at the current price point.</p>
<p>Security is a hassle, but that has nothing to do with delayed or cancelled flights, overbooking, or lost bags.</p>
<p>The airlines have been in a service death spiral for years. The seats keep getting smaller and smaller and the seat pitch keeps getting shorter to the point that my thigh is longer than the space between seats making me have to sit a little sideways for the entire flight. (I&#8217;m 6&#8217;2&#8243;) It seems to me that the only people who can ride in comfort in coach anymore are little kids.</p>
<p>These days, the only way I will fly rather than drive is if time is a factor or it&#8217;s impossible.</p>
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		By: Sarah Rolph		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah Rolph]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Southwest still has no change fees. Even if you cancel a non-refundable flight, you can re-use those funds for another flight for up to a year (the funds stay in your Southwest account).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southwest still has no change fees. Even if you cancel a non-refundable flight, you can re-use those funds for another flight for up to a year (the funds stay in your Southwest account).</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 12:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A jacket with pockets is definitely good for another half-bag.  I think one carry-on is now standard, perhaps required by EU(?), on all EU flights.  The size of carry-on does vary.  Most also allow a purse.
 Pay extra for check in luggage ($35 or so).
All with size &#038; weight limits.

This will continue as long as most travellers choose the first &quot;cheapest&quot; flight.  Airlines experiment with higher prices plus more perks, vs lower prices with less, and virtually always get more business &#038; profit with the lower prices.

Our Helsinki - Heathrow flight was delayed on take off, and also in air before landing, due to Heathrow traffic.  We missed our connection to NYC; Finnaire paid for a good night in their airport hotel, but we missed a day in America.

One gets used to the silly security, tho there seems little justification for the long lines.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A jacket with pockets is definitely good for another half-bag.  I think one carry-on is now standard, perhaps required by EU(?), on all EU flights.  The size of carry-on does vary.  Most also allow a purse.<br />
 Pay extra for check in luggage ($35 or so).<br />
All with size &amp; weight limits.</p>
<p>This will continue as long as most travellers choose the first &#8220;cheapest&#8221; flight.  Airlines experiment with higher prices plus more perks, vs lower prices with less, and virtually always get more business &amp; profit with the lower prices.</p>
<p>Our Helsinki &#8211; Heathrow flight was delayed on take off, and also in air before landing, due to Heathrow traffic.  We missed our connection to NYC; Finnaire paid for a good night in their airport hotel, but we missed a day in America.</p>
<p>One gets used to the silly security, tho there seems little justification for the long lines.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 03:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have started wearing a photographer&#039;s jacket in lieu of a carry-on bag; becuae of the multitude of pockets, everything I need is on my person and close at hand. One small bag holds book, extra food, blanket, neck pillow, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have started wearing a photographer&#8217;s jacket in lieu of a carry-on bag; becuae of the multitude of pockets, everything I need is on my person and close at hand. One small bag holds book, extra food, blanket, neck pillow, etc.</p>
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		By: MBunge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MBunge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Nov 2019 02:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is mass air travel actually a money-making proposition?

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is mass air travel actually a money-making proposition?</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Nov 2019 23:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[physicsguy,

I&#039;m with you regarding checking luggage. It&#039;s so much more civilized. But, then again I almost always wear a sport coat when flying. Even to or from warm destinations. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever flown in short pants.

Seeing all these people fret about hand luggage, and struggle with it at the gate, and on the plane... It&#039;s degrading. The airlines fostered the situation by charging higher and higher fees for checking bags. However, they seemed to have realized it creates more problems than it has solved and are now discouraging any carry on other than a briefcase or purse.

TSA is a joke. A sad joke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>physicsguy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you regarding checking luggage. It&#8217;s so much more civilized. But, then again I almost always wear a sport coat when flying. Even to or from warm destinations. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever flown in short pants.</p>
<p>Seeing all these people fret about hand luggage, and struggle with it at the gate, and on the plane&#8230; It&#8217;s degrading. The airlines fostered the situation by charging higher and higher fees for checking bags. However, they seemed to have realized it creates more problems than it has solved and are now discouraging any carry on other than a briefcase or purse.</p>
<p>TSA is a joke. A sad joke.</p>
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