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		By: Surellin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Surellin]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[I well remember the hostage crisis.  I was a freshman in college when it began, and as I recall it was 444 days interrupted by the death of John Lennon.  And the weather sucked and the economy was awful.  And when they finally settled the hostage issue Nightline continued by covering Reagan&#039;s shooting.  Bad times, amigos.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I well remember the hostage crisis.  I was a freshman in college when it began, and as I recall it was 444 days interrupted by the death of John Lennon.  And the weather sucked and the economy was awful.  And when they finally settled the hostage issue Nightline continued by covering Reagan&#8217;s shooting.  Bad times, amigos.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; But there’s very little doubt about the identity of another former hostage-taker who’s riding high at present: Hussein Sheikholeslam, recently an Iranian diplomat and legislator.&lt;/i&gt;

When I was working on  Gulf Coast rigs at a time  when the Shah was still in power, fellow employees told me of their former supervisor, an Iranian named &quot;Sheikoslami&quot;  - phonetic spelling. He was, they told me, very competent and also not afraid to disagree on technical matters with  HIS superiors- and also to be later be proven right in those disagreements. (Before getting on the &#039;copter one week for days off, he left a prediction on the cafeteria chalkboard about the depth at which the well would blow out. He was proven correct.) Some years later, I was laid off and in grad school.  &quot;Sheikoslami&quot; was in one of my classes, and also employed with another company- at a substantial raise in salary.

I wonder if petroleum engineer  &quot;Sheikoslami&quot; was related to  hostage-taker and diplomat Hussein Sheikholeslam.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> But there’s very little doubt about the identity of another former hostage-taker who’s riding high at present: Hussein Sheikholeslam, recently an Iranian diplomat and legislator.</i></p>
<p>When I was working on  Gulf Coast rigs at a time  when the Shah was still in power, fellow employees told me of their former supervisor, an Iranian named &#8220;Sheikoslami&#8221;  &#8211; phonetic spelling. He was, they told me, very competent and also not afraid to disagree on technical matters with  HIS superiors- and also to be later be proven right in those disagreements. (Before getting on the &#8216;copter one week for days off, he left a prediction on the cafeteria chalkboard about the depth at which the well would blow out. He was proven correct.) Some years later, I was laid off and in grad school.  &#8220;Sheikoslami&#8221; was in one of my classes, and also employed with another company- at a substantial raise in salary.</p>
<p>I wonder if petroleum engineer  &#8220;Sheikoslami&#8221; was related to  hostage-taker and diplomat Hussein Sheikholeslam.</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 19:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson:
&lt;i&gt;Neo’s comments about revolutions consuming their own reminded me of General Raul Baduel of Venezuela. He was one of Hugo Chavez’s closest friends and allies.&lt;/i&gt;

Good point. Here is an earlier example of another General breaking with Hugo Chávez. When Chávez campaigned for President in 1998, one of his main talking points was a crackdown on corruption. General Urdaneta made the mistake in 2000, of taking Hugo Chávez at his word.  From Rory Carroll&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.amazon.com/Comandante-Ch%C3%A1vezs-Venezuela-Rory-Carroll/dp/0143124889/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIx86toanW5QIVVh-tBh1dcgQjEAAYASAAEgKrR_D_BwE&#038;hvadid=241574171440&#038;hvdev=c&#038;hvlocphy=1024403&#038;hvnetw=s&#038;hvpos=1t1&#038;hvqmt=b&#038;hvrand=3279768746747951336&#038;hvtargid=kwd-821000539&#038;hydadcr=15271_10334722&#038;keywords=rory+carroll&#038;qid=1573068624&#038;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Comandante: Hugo Chávez&#039;s Venezuela.&lt;/a&gt;   &lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;With the rain clouds finally dissolved in early 2000, the Ávila, with its new topography, was once again visible from the palace terrace...... His longtime comrade and fellow coup conspirator General Jesús Urdaneta was unhappy. Chávez had appointed his friend, typically blunt and outspoken like people from the western state of Zulia, to head DISIP, the intelligence service. Urdaneta received reports that two of the president’s most important civilian allies, Luis Miquilena, head of the National Assembly, and José Vicente Rangel, the foreign minister, were lining their pockets. Both were veteran political operators who had guided the comandante, a political neophyte, after his release from jail on the hidden strings between state, media, and business interests in the so-called Fourth Republic. Urdaneta complained to Chávez that they were bringing the old, corrupt habits into the fledgling Fifth Republic. According to the general, the president acknowledged the duo’s corruption but said he needed their dark arts to consolidate power. The feud spilled into the Vargas aftermath when security forces were accused of executing looters. Of eight thousand men in the field, only sixty were from DISIP, but Urdaneta found his agency singled out and pilloried—allegedly due to Miquilena and Vicente Rangel pulling their invisible strings. (Years later Miquilena fell out with Chávez and was charged but acquitted of corruption. Vicente Rangel was never charged with any crime.) Chávez barred Urdaneta from speaking to the press. His old friend claimed he had been set up and resigned in protest, the revolution’s first major defection.

   &lt;/i&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;BTW, Rory Carroll works for The Guardian. Not all lefty journalists are fact-free ideologues. This is an excellent book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roy Nathanson:<br />
<i>Neo’s comments about revolutions consuming their own reminded me of General Raul Baduel of Venezuela. He was one of Hugo Chavez’s closest friends and allies.</i></p>
<p>Good point. Here is an earlier example of another General breaking with Hugo Chávez. When Chávez campaigned for President in 1998, one of his main talking points was a crackdown on corruption. General Urdaneta made the mistake in 2000, of taking Hugo Chávez at his word.  From Rory Carroll&#8217;s <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Comandante-Ch%C3%A1vezs-Venezuela-Rory-Carroll/dp/0143124889/ref=sr_1_1?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIx86toanW5QIVVh-tBh1dcgQjEAAYASAAEgKrR_D_BwE&amp;hvadid=241574171440&amp;hvdev=c&amp;hvlocphy=1024403&amp;hvnetw=s&amp;hvpos=1t1&amp;hvqmt=b&amp;hvrand=3279768746747951336&amp;hvtargid=kwd-821000539&amp;hydadcr=15271_10334722&amp;keywords=rory+carroll&amp;qid=1573068624&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Comandante: Hugo Chávez&#8217;s Venezuela.</a>   </p>
<blockquote><p><i>With the rain clouds finally dissolved in early 2000, the Ávila, with its new topography, was once again visible from the palace terrace&#8230;&#8230; His longtime comrade and fellow coup conspirator General Jesús Urdaneta was unhappy. Chávez had appointed his friend, typically blunt and outspoken like people from the western state of Zulia, to head DISIP, the intelligence service. Urdaneta received reports that two of the president’s most important civilian allies, Luis Miquilena, head of the National Assembly, and José Vicente Rangel, the foreign minister, were lining their pockets. Both were veteran political operators who had guided the comandante, a political neophyte, after his release from jail on the hidden strings between state, media, and business interests in the so-called Fourth Republic. Urdaneta complained to Chávez that they were bringing the old, corrupt habits into the fledgling Fifth Republic. According to the general, the president acknowledged the duo’s corruption but said he needed their dark arts to consolidate power. The feud spilled into the Vargas aftermath when security forces were accused of executing looters. Of eight thousand men in the field, only sixty were from DISIP, but Urdaneta found his agency singled out and pilloried—allegedly due to Miquilena and Vicente Rangel pulling their invisible strings. (Years later Miquilena fell out with Chávez and was charged but acquitted of corruption. Vicente Rangel was never charged with any crime.) Chávez barred Urdaneta from speaking to the press. His old friend claimed he had been set up and resigned in protest, the revolution’s first major defection.</p>
<p>   </i> </p></blockquote>
<p>BTW, Rory Carroll works for The Guardian. Not all lefty journalists are fact-free ideologues. This is an excellent book.</p>
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		By: LeClerc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeClerc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 18:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[*** Neo Alert ***

Neo - Given your expertise on the art of dance - I&#039;m soliciting your comments on Gia Kourlas review in the NYT re: Sean Spicer&#039;s performance on DWTS.

Do you agree with Ms. Kourlas that Spicer&#039;s green shirt was &quot;scary&quot; ?

Do you agree that Spicer exhibited a &quot;cold brutality&quot; ?

Thanks in advance for your assessment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*** Neo Alert ***</p>
<p>Neo &#8211; Given your expertise on the art of dance &#8211; I&#8217;m soliciting your comments on Gia Kourlas review in the NYT re: Sean Spicer&#8217;s performance on DWTS.</p>
<p>Do you agree with Ms. Kourlas that Spicer&#8217;s green shirt was &#8220;scary&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Do you agree that Spicer exhibited a &#8220;cold brutality&#8221; ?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance for your assessment.</p>
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		By: Roy Nathanson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo&#039;s comments about revolutions consuming their own reminded me of General Raul Baduel of Venezuela.  He was one of Hugo Chavez&#039;s closest friends and allies.  He was Minister of Defense. It was Baduel who, in 2002 after Chavez had resigned, reinstalled Chavez in the presidency after the Opposition made a political mess of taking over the government. 

In 2007 he publically questioned Chavez&#039;s Constitutional Referendum. After that Baduel slowly broke ranks with Chavez as he became uncontrollably megalomaniacal. In 2008, Baduel wrote his own Swan Song in the form of an Editorial that was published in the press. In this editorial he had the temerity to say that it was possible to discuss distribution of wealth, but that before wealth could be distributed it must first be produced.

Shortly after that, he was arrested on corruption charges. He remains in prison (without trial) to this day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo&#8217;s comments about revolutions consuming their own reminded me of General Raul Baduel of Venezuela.  He was one of Hugo Chavez&#8217;s closest friends and allies.  He was Minister of Defense. It was Baduel who, in 2002 after Chavez had resigned, reinstalled Chavez in the presidency after the Opposition made a political mess of taking over the government. </p>
<p>In 2007 he publically questioned Chavez&#8217;s Constitutional Referendum. After that Baduel slowly broke ranks with Chavez as he became uncontrollably megalomaniacal. In 2008, Baduel wrote his own Swan Song in the form of an Editorial that was published in the press. In this editorial he had the temerity to say that it was possible to discuss distribution of wealth, but that before wealth could be distributed it must first be produced.</p>
<p>Shortly after that, he was arrested on corruption charges. He remains in prison (without trial) to this day.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to interview applicants to UC, Irvine medical school.  I met some very interesting young people.  One was a young man from Iran who had served in an Iranian army aid station during the war with Iraq. He got interested in medicine and lost any enthusiasm for the regime, as twin results.  He immigrated to the US where he had a brother working in San Jose CA. He got a job working  nights at Sun Microsystems and went to junior college, then San Jose State during the day.  His work ethic was off the charts,  He was worried about bias against Iranians but I reassured him.  I never learned if he was admitted.  Some of the full time faculty had odd ideas about who should be medical students,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to interview applicants to UC, Irvine medical school.  I met some very interesting young people.  One was a young man from Iran who had served in an Iranian army aid station during the war with Iraq. He got interested in medicine and lost any enthusiasm for the regime, as twin results.  He immigrated to the US where he had a brother working in San Jose CA. He got a job working  nights at Sun Microsystems and went to junior college, then San Jose State during the day.  His work ethic was off the charts,  He was worried about bias against Iranians but I reassured him.  I never learned if he was admitted.  Some of the full time faculty had odd ideas about who should be medical students,</p>
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		By: Gringo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gringo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was working in Argentina at the time of the hostage crisis. Coincidentally, a week before the November 4, 1979 takeover, an Iranian employee of the company flew down from Houston for some equipment repair. An Argentine woman asked him about the new theocracy being installed in Iran. His reply was that if that was what the Iranian people wanted, that was their choice to make.  I never saw him again. I doubt he returned to Iran.

In 1978, an Iranian gave me ride when I was hitching around Houston. He told me about a protest against the Shah. I also suspect that he never returned to Iran.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was working in Argentina at the time of the hostage crisis. Coincidentally, a week before the November 4, 1979 takeover, an Iranian employee of the company flew down from Houston for some equipment repair. An Argentine woman asked him about the new theocracy being installed in Iran. His reply was that if that was what the Iranian people wanted, that was their choice to make.  I never saw him again. I doubt he returned to Iran.</p>
<p>In 1978, an Iranian gave me ride when I was hitching around Houston. He told me about a protest against the Shah. I also suspect that he never returned to Iran.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember being at Stanford, not knowing too much about the Iran situation, but hearing the anti-Shah protests in &#039;78 ish.

I did NOT like the SAVAK, nor the Pinochet secret police of Chile.  But in Chile I thought the socialists were worse, and suspected that in Iran the alternative would be worse.

The pro-human rights democrats plus the elite socialists plus the communists plus the Ayatollah Islamists were enough, thru protests, to get the Shah gone.  Then the commies, socialists, and democrats were purged, leaving the Ayatollah.  Far worse than the Shah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember being at Stanford, not knowing too much about the Iran situation, but hearing the anti-Shah protests in &#8217;78 ish.</p>
<p>I did NOT like the SAVAK, nor the Pinochet secret police of Chile.  But in Chile I thought the socialists were worse, and suspected that in Iran the alternative would be worse.</p>
<p>The pro-human rights democrats plus the elite socialists plus the communists plus the Ayatollah Islamists were enough, thru protests, to get the Shah gone.  Then the commies, socialists, and democrats were purged, leaving the Ayatollah.  Far worse than the Shah.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 12:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Freedom House has a scoring system to rate regimes by their injuries to civil liberties and political participation.  Iran in 1977 received a score that put it at the median of the bloc of countries in the Near East, North Africa, and Central Asia.  (There were lurid tales at the time about the SAVAK, but you have to wonder if they were largely urban legends, or at least tales of woe which were quite prevalent in that part of the world).  One of the Shah&#039;s last prime ministers, Gen. Golam Reza Azhari, supposedly told American officials at the end of 1978, &quot;The Shah cannot make up his mind, and for that reason the country is lost&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freedom House has a scoring system to rate regimes by their injuries to civil liberties and political participation.  Iran in 1977 received a score that put it at the median of the bloc of countries in the Near East, North Africa, and Central Asia.  (There were lurid tales at the time about the SAVAK, but you have to wonder if they were largely urban legends, or at least tales of woe which were quite prevalent in that part of the world).  One of the Shah&#8217;s last prime ministers, Gen. Golam Reza Azhari, supposedly told American officials at the end of 1978, &#8220;The Shah cannot make up his mind, and for that reason the country is lost&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2019 12:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I had quite a few friends, other doctors, who had fled Iran during the Shah&#039;s rule. They were young men and opposed the monarchy.  The only one I knew who went back is my friend.  We see each other still and he attended my 80th birthday party. He married a nurse named Dixie (of all things) during his orthopedic residency. They live in Pasadena, CA.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I had quite a few friends, other doctors, who had fled Iran during the Shah&#8217;s rule. They were young men and opposed the monarchy.  The only one I knew who went back is my friend.  We see each other still and he attended my 80th birthday party. He married a nurse named Dixie (of all things) during his orthopedic residency. They live in Pasadena, CA.</p>
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