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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 12:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Art Deco: When it comes to seeing the future I am a Stable Genius.&lt;/i&gt;

IOW, you haven&#039;t a clue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Art Deco: When it comes to seeing the future I am a Stable Genius.</i></p>
<p>IOW, you haven&#8217;t a clue.</p>
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		By: Dick Illyes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 12:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:  When it comes to seeing the future I am a Stable Genius.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:  When it comes to seeing the future I am a Stable Genius.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 11:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;A new Democratic Party led by people like Yang and McCready will take both houses in 2022. Trump will work well with them.&lt;/i&gt;

Mr. Yang is currently polling at about 3%.  Whatever partisan Democrats want, it&#039;s not him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A new Democratic Party led by people like Yang and McCready will take both houses in 2022. Trump will work well with them.</i></p>
<p>Mr. Yang is currently polling at about 3%.  Whatever partisan Democrats want, it&#8217;s not him.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 11:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; She will never enter any primaries but IMO will take the convention.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m fascinated to know your understanding of the mechanics of this.  Hubert Humphrey managed  that, but at that time, few delegates were allocated in primaries and competitive caucuses weren&#039;t omnipresent either.  Most were slated in occult ways by local political bosses.  About 1/3 of the delegates to the 1968 convention had been selected the previous year.  It&#039;s nothing like that anymore.  It&#039;s a completely candidate-centered process and (except when you have an uncontested incumbent) a highly competitive process.  You&#039;re expecting just what, that Warren and Buttigieg win a boatload of delegates after barnstorming the country for a year and a half and then just evaporate? When has that ever happened?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> She will never enter any primaries but IMO will take the convention.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m fascinated to know your understanding of the mechanics of this.  Hubert Humphrey managed  that, but at that time, few delegates were allocated in primaries and competitive caucuses weren&#8217;t omnipresent either.  Most were slated in occult ways by local political bosses.  About 1/3 of the delegates to the 1968 convention had been selected the previous year.  It&#8217;s nothing like that anymore.  It&#8217;s a completely candidate-centered process and (except when you have an uncontested incumbent) a highly competitive process.  You&#8217;re expecting just what, that Warren and Buttigieg win a boatload of delegates after barnstorming the country for a year and a half and then just evaporate? When has that ever happened?</p>
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		By: Dick Illyes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Illyes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 11:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Blue Bubble is impenetrable from the inside, they really have no idea how far their opinions are from those outside it.  Read the NYT any morning, the outer world is invisible to them.

Inside that bubble, Hillary is a victim and an heroic figure.  By the time the Convention rolls around praise of her will be the only politically correct position.  She will never enter any primaries but IMO will take the convention.

This may be necessary for a much larger series of events to manifest.  To reform DC, discussion of specific goals must become part of the public debate.  (Public debate in the non-TDS world).

Trump will take both houses in 2020 with a clear Swamp Draining agenda, and will enact it.  2020 will also destroy what I call the Boomer Democrat Party, which has become so casually and totally corrupt that it cannot be reformed.

The early 2020&#039;s will probably be recession years, as well as years where technological disruption as described by Yang becomes obvious.  Swamp draining will provide work for the legislature but economic recovery will be difficult.

An event that has been missed by most is the total takeover of all GOP Party positions, from precinct committee persons to all state level positions, by single issue pro-lifers.  It is no longer the small government free market party.  Those now running it want to outlaw sin.  They have no intellectual convictions about small government or free market principles.  They are willing to embrace any Democrat position if they think it will attract Democrat voters to overturn Roe.  

They have zero chance of doing this and are as divorced from reality as the Blue Bubble people, just on different issues.  When the Texas GOP goes soft on guns and government spending, as it did in the last session, it is obvious that something has changed.  

A notable GOP development in the last cycle was the ejection of campaign volunteers who were not pro-life enough.  Anyone volunteering was immediately queried about their position on Life, and if not suitably devoted was attacked and driven out, often in a way to provide points among the believers to the person doing the driving out.

I think this will result in another major realignment.  The retirement of large numbers of traditional GOP legislators will open the door to a new crop of hard core social conservative candidates in 2022.  They will make finally ending Roe their dominant issue, and will fail.  

A new Democratic Party led by people like Yang and McCready will take both houses in 2022.  Trump will work well with them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Blue Bubble is impenetrable from the inside, they really have no idea how far their opinions are from those outside it.  Read the NYT any morning, the outer world is invisible to them.</p>
<p>Inside that bubble, Hillary is a victim and an heroic figure.  By the time the Convention rolls around praise of her will be the only politically correct position.  She will never enter any primaries but IMO will take the convention.</p>
<p>This may be necessary for a much larger series of events to manifest.  To reform DC, discussion of specific goals must become part of the public debate.  (Public debate in the non-TDS world).</p>
<p>Trump will take both houses in 2020 with a clear Swamp Draining agenda, and will enact it.  2020 will also destroy what I call the Boomer Democrat Party, which has become so casually and totally corrupt that it cannot be reformed.</p>
<p>The early 2020&#8217;s will probably be recession years, as well as years where technological disruption as described by Yang becomes obvious.  Swamp draining will provide work for the legislature but economic recovery will be difficult.</p>
<p>An event that has been missed by most is the total takeover of all GOP Party positions, from precinct committee persons to all state level positions, by single issue pro-lifers.  It is no longer the small government free market party.  Those now running it want to outlaw sin.  They have no intellectual convictions about small government or free market principles.  They are willing to embrace any Democrat position if they think it will attract Democrat voters to overturn Roe.  </p>
<p>They have zero chance of doing this and are as divorced from reality as the Blue Bubble people, just on different issues.  When the Texas GOP goes soft on guns and government spending, as it did in the last session, it is obvious that something has changed.  </p>
<p>A notable GOP development in the last cycle was the ejection of campaign volunteers who were not pro-life enough.  Anyone volunteering was immediately queried about their position on Life, and if not suitably devoted was attacked and driven out, often in a way to provide points among the believers to the person doing the driving out.</p>
<p>I think this will result in another major realignment.  The retirement of large numbers of traditional GOP legislators will open the door to a new crop of hard core social conservative candidates in 2022.  They will make finally ending Roe their dominant issue, and will fail.  </p>
<p>A new Democratic Party led by people like Yang and McCready will take both houses in 2022.  Trump will work well with them.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 04:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley:

You are today&#039;s winner of the internet.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley:</p>
<p>You are today&#8217;s winner of the internet.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 03:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;But who is behind the intelligence corps?&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;Could it be ... SATAN?&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But who is behind the intelligence corps?</i></p>
<p>&#8220;Could it be &#8230; SATAN?&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_mePjkQW_c</a></p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/10/07/and-then-theres-hillary-clinton-on-impeachment-watergate-and-whistlegate/#comment-2458371</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 02:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;The difference between the process then and the process now is extreme. During Watergate, Congress was reacting to an event, and launched a bipartisan investigation. Now, one party is using the intelligence corps to create the appearance of an event, with the long-stated goal – one made clear even before Donald Trump became president – of removing this president from office.&lt;/b&gt;

From my intuition and intel assessment/research, there&#039;s not a whole lot different between the past coup de tat and the current coup de tat (attempted).

The previous one was the intelligence corps, in the form of Mark felt and other factions, using Americans gullible as they are, to get rid of Nixon.

The current one is still about the same.

But who is behind the intelligence corps? It&#039;s not the Constitution. It&#039;s not Congress. It&#039;s not the President. It&#039;s the Deep State. And who is behind or rather what is the Deep State?

Have Americans figured this one out yet...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The difference between the process then and the process now is extreme. During Watergate, Congress was reacting to an event, and launched a bipartisan investigation. Now, one party is using the intelligence corps to create the appearance of an event, with the long-stated goal – one made clear even before Donald Trump became president – of removing this president from office.</b></p>
<p>From my intuition and intel assessment/research, there&#8217;s not a whole lot different between the past coup de tat and the current coup de tat (attempted).</p>
<p>The previous one was the intelligence corps, in the form of Mark felt and other factions, using Americans gullible as they are, to get rid of Nixon.</p>
<p>The current one is still about the same.</p>
<p>But who is behind the intelligence corps? It&#8217;s not the Constitution. It&#8217;s not Congress. It&#8217;s not the President. It&#8217;s the Deep State. And who is behind or rather what is the Deep State?</p>
<p>Have Americans figured this one out yet&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 02:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Support for the left is now support for evil. Truly, “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”&lt;/b&gt;

That eventually morphs to &quot;those that disagree with our plan to fight the Left are traitors/cucks that need to be purged, as the anti Left is the only true revolution&quot;.

Human ego shenanigans and tribal wars eventually devolve to that level. 

If support for the Leftist alliance is evil, then what about people who oppose Trum? Trum is fighting the Leftist alliance so since the Leftists are evil, by definition anyone against Trum is evil.

The good intentions of fighting the Left, thus results in people becoming the Left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Support for the left is now support for evil. Truly, “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”</b></p>
<p>That eventually morphs to &#8220;those that disagree with our plan to fight the Left are traitors/cucks that need to be purged, as the anti Left is the only true revolution&#8221;.</p>
<p>Human ego shenanigans and tribal wars eventually devolve to that level. </p>
<p>If support for the Leftist alliance is evil, then what about people who oppose Trum? Trum is fighting the Leftist alliance so since the Leftists are evil, by definition anyone against Trum is evil.</p>
<p>The good intentions of fighting the Left, thus results in people becoming the Left.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2019 23:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Nixon and his minions were guilty of actual crimes.

No use investing in Nixon. He was an intelligent man and inventive on certain occasions, but his Administration was a stew of cock-ups and, yes, crimes.&lt;/b&gt;

It&#039;s useful to contrast and compare the &quot;crimes&quot; people committed, based on what the DS thinks.

In the early 1970s, Felt had supervised Operation COINTELPRO, initiated by Hoover in the 1950s. This period of FBI history has generated great controversy for its abuses of private citizens&#039; rights. The FBI was pursuing leftist groups, such as the Weather Underground, which had planted bombs at the Capitol, the Pentagon, and the State Department building. Felt, along with Edward S. Miller, authorized FBI agents to break into homes secretly in 1972 and 1973, without a search warrant, on nine separate occasions. These kinds of FBI operations were known as &quot;black bag jobs.&quot; The break-ins occurred at five addresses in New York and New Jersey, at the homes of relatives and acquaintances of Weather Underground members. They did not contribute to the capture of any fugitives. The use of &quot;black bag jobs&quot; by the FBI was declared unconstitutional by the United States Supreme Court in the Plamondon case, 407 U.S. 297 (1972).

The Church Committee of Congress revealed the FBI&#039;s illegal activities, and many agents were investigated. In 1976, Felt publicly stated he had ordered break-ins, and recommended against punishment of individual agents who had carried out orders. Felt also stated that Patrick Gray had also authorized the break-ins, but Gray denied this. Felt said on the CBS television program Face the Nation he would probably be a &quot;scapegoat&quot; for the Bureau&#039;s work.[55] &quot;I think this is justified and I&#039;d do it again tomorrow,&quot; he said on the program. While admitting the break-ins were &quot;extralegal&quot;, he justified them as protecting the &quot;greater good.&quot; Felt said:

To not take action against these people and know of a bombing in advance would simply be to stick your fingers in your ears and protect your eardrums when the explosion went off and then start the investigation.

-----------That American memory problem that starts and begins with AP and the national media propaganda arms.

In June 1973, Ruckelshaus received a call from someone claiming to be a New York Times reporter, telling him that Felt was the source of this information.[54] On June 21, Ruckelshaus met privately with Felt and accused him of leaking information to The New York Times, a charge that Felt adamantly denied.[46] Ruckelshaus told Felt to &quot;sleep on it&quot; and let him know the next day what he wanted to do. Felt resigned from the Bureau the next day, June 22, 1973, ending his thirty-one year career.

In a 2013 interview, Ruckelshaus noted the possibility that the original caller was a hoax. He said that he considered Felt&#039;s resignation &quot;an admission of guilt&quot; anyway.[54]

-----Don&#039;t worry, spying on Americans is only a crime when it is Democrats doing it to their enemies and not the other way around.


President Ronald Reagan pardoned Felt and Miller.
In a phone call on January 30, 1981, Edwin Meese encouraged President Ronald Reagan to issue a pardon. After further encouragement from Felt&#039;s former colleagues, President Reagan pardoned Felt and Miller. The pardon was signed on March 26, but was not announced to the public until April 15, 1981.

In the pardon, Reagan wrote:

During their long careers, Mark Felt and Edward Miller served the Federal Bureau of Investigation and our nation with great distinction. To punish them further—after 3 years of criminal prosecution proceedings—would not serve the ends of justice.
Their convictions in the U.S. District Court, on appeal at the time I signed the pardons, grew out of their good-faith belief that their actions were necessary to preserve the security interests of our country. The record demonstrates that they acted not with criminal intent, but in the belief that they had grants of authority reaching to the highest levels of government.[64]

-----------The FBI determines which US Presidents gets to spy on which political parties and citizens.

So in retrospec, what is a crime for Nixon&#039;s pipeworkers, was called &quot;patriotism&quot; by Reagan, and many more were pardoned than Nixon was pardoned by the VP.

Things like that is why people think there is no Rule of Law in the USA. There is only the rule of the Deep State, and their American slaves/serfs that think themselves free citizens.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Nixon and his minions were guilty of actual crimes.</p>
<p>No use investing in Nixon. He was an intelligent man and inventive on certain occasions, but his Administration was a stew of cock-ups and, yes, crimes.</b></p>
<p>It&#8217;s useful to contrast and compare the &#8220;crimes&#8221; people committed, based on what the DS thinks.</p>
<p>In the early 1970s, Felt had supervised Operation COINTELPRO, initiated by Hoover in the 1950s. This period of FBI history has generated great controversy for its abuses of private citizens&#8217; rights. The FBI was pursuing leftist groups, such as the Weather Underground, which had planted bombs at the Capitol, the Pentagon, and the State Department building. Felt, along with Edward S. Miller, authorized FBI agents to break into homes secretly in 1972 and 1973, without a search warrant, on nine separate occasions. These kinds of FBI operations were known as &#8220;black bag jobs.&#8221; The break-ins occurred at five addresses in New York and New Jersey, at the homes of relatives and acquaintances of Weather Underground members. They did not contribute to the capture of any fugitives. The use of &#8220;black bag jobs&#8221; by the FBI was declared unconstitutional by the United States Supreme Court in the Plamondon case, 407 U.S. 297 (1972).</p>
<p>The Church Committee of Congress revealed the FBI&#8217;s illegal activities, and many agents were investigated. In 1976, Felt publicly stated he had ordered break-ins, and recommended against punishment of individual agents who had carried out orders. Felt also stated that Patrick Gray had also authorized the break-ins, but Gray denied this. Felt said on the CBS television program Face the Nation he would probably be a &#8220;scapegoat&#8221; for the Bureau&#8217;s work.[55] &#8220;I think this is justified and I&#8217;d do it again tomorrow,&#8221; he said on the program. While admitting the break-ins were &#8220;extralegal&#8221;, he justified them as protecting the &#8220;greater good.&#8221; Felt said:</p>
<p>To not take action against these people and know of a bombing in advance would simply be to stick your fingers in your ears and protect your eardrums when the explosion went off and then start the investigation.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;That American memory problem that starts and begins with AP and the national media propaganda arms.</p>
<p>In June 1973, Ruckelshaus received a call from someone claiming to be a New York Times reporter, telling him that Felt was the source of this information.[54] On June 21, Ruckelshaus met privately with Felt and accused him of leaking information to The New York Times, a charge that Felt adamantly denied.[46] Ruckelshaus told Felt to &#8220;sleep on it&#8221; and let him know the next day what he wanted to do. Felt resigned from the Bureau the next day, June 22, 1973, ending his thirty-one year career.</p>
<p>In a 2013 interview, Ruckelshaus noted the possibility that the original caller was a hoax. He said that he considered Felt&#8217;s resignation &#8220;an admission of guilt&#8221; anyway.[54]</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;Don&#8217;t worry, spying on Americans is only a crime when it is Democrats doing it to their enemies and not the other way around.</p>
<p>President Ronald Reagan pardoned Felt and Miller.<br />
In a phone call on January 30, 1981, Edwin Meese encouraged President Ronald Reagan to issue a pardon. After further encouragement from Felt&#8217;s former colleagues, President Reagan pardoned Felt and Miller. The pardon was signed on March 26, but was not announced to the public until April 15, 1981.</p>
<p>In the pardon, Reagan wrote:</p>
<p>During their long careers, Mark Felt and Edward Miller served the Federal Bureau of Investigation and our nation with great distinction. To punish them further—after 3 years of criminal prosecution proceedings—would not serve the ends of justice.<br />
Their convictions in the U.S. District Court, on appeal at the time I signed the pardons, grew out of their good-faith belief that their actions were necessary to preserve the security interests of our country. The record demonstrates that they acted not with criminal intent, but in the belief that they had grants of authority reaching to the highest levels of government.[64]</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;The FBI determines which US Presidents gets to spy on which political parties and citizens.</p>
<p>So in retrospec, what is a crime for Nixon&#8217;s pipeworkers, was called &#8220;patriotism&#8221; by Reagan, and many more were pardoned than Nixon was pardoned by the VP.</p>
<p>Things like that is why people think there is no Rule of Law in the USA. There is only the rule of the Deep State, and their American slaves/serfs that think themselves free citizens.</p>
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