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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/10/04/on-the-current-state-of-whistlegate/#comment-2458350</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Oct 2019 00:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Thus, rather than just a mere “conspiracy of shared values,” I would surmise that there had to be some sort of leader or leadership cadre, some headquarters, some sort of war room, or at least a series of clandestine meetings—electronic and/or in person—that—to one extent or the other—gamed, planned, orchestrated, and coordinated some, or all, of the actions and events that have occurred since President Trump announced his candidacy, and which have gnawed at him, blocked his way, and battered him like a gigantic shitstorm of a hurricane.

Find out who that leader is, who the members of that cadre are, or pinpoint those meetings and who attended them.&lt;/b&gt;

An interesting line of thought, Snow.

I suggest you look up the Nazi founders of Never a Straight Answer, NASA, as well as the foundation of the Federal Reserve Act + Wilson + Titanic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Thus, rather than just a mere “conspiracy of shared values,” I would surmise that there had to be some sort of leader or leadership cadre, some headquarters, some sort of war room, or at least a series of clandestine meetings—electronic and/or in person—that—to one extent or the other—gamed, planned, orchestrated, and coordinated some, or all, of the actions and events that have occurred since President Trump announced his candidacy, and which have gnawed at him, blocked his way, and battered him like a gigantic shitstorm of a hurricane.</p>
<p>Find out who that leader is, who the members of that cadre are, or pinpoint those meetings and who attended them.</b></p>
<p>An interesting line of thought, Snow.</p>
<p>I suggest you look up the Nazi founders of Never a Straight Answer, NASA, as well as the foundation of the Federal Reserve Act + Wilson + Titanic.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/10/04/on-the-current-state-of-whistlegate/#comment-2458328</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2019 21:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump was asked; “Have you asked foreign leaders for any corruption investigations that don’t involve your political opponents?”

He could not name any. 
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All of the corruption involves Trump&#039;s political opponents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump was asked; “Have you asked foreign leaders for any corruption investigations that don’t involve your political opponents?”</p>
<p>He could not name any.<br />
* * *<br />
All of the corruption involves Trump&#8217;s political opponents.</p>
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		By: sdferr		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/10/04/on-the-current-state-of-whistlegate/#comment-2458189</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2019 13:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;. . . a crime that isn&#039;t&quot; 

There&#039;s been a lot of those out there the last three years. Here&#039;s a beaut of a thread looking back at the corrupt FBI/MSM attempts to take down the Trump administration through the FISA on Carter Page: &lt;a href=&quot;https://mobile.twitter.com/MonsieurAmerica/status/1180269754159812610&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MonsieurAmerica&lt;/a&gt;, twitter: How 20yr Counterintelligence Asset Carter Page Mopped Up Peter Strzok’s “Leak Strategy”

For those who dislike reading straight twitter threads, the &lt;a href=&quot;https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1180269754159812610.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Threadreaderapp&lt;/a&gt; version.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;. . . a crime that isn&#8217;t&#8221; </p>
<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of those out there the last three years. Here&#8217;s a beaut of a thread looking back at the corrupt FBI/MSM attempts to take down the Trump administration through the FISA on Carter Page: <a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/MonsieurAmerica/status/1180269754159812610" rel="nofollow">MonsieurAmerica</a>, twitter: How 20yr Counterintelligence Asset Carter Page Mopped Up Peter Strzok’s “Leak Strategy”</p>
<p>For those who dislike reading straight twitter threads, the <a href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1180269754159812610.html" rel="nofollow">Threadreaderapp</a> version.</p>
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		By: Yankee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/10/04/on-the-current-state-of-whistlegate/#comment-2458187</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2019 13:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Before we go much further, I would like to say that &quot;whistlegate&quot; is not the best term for this matter.  It just sounds silly in itself, and it is not informative for the broader public who may be less familiar with what happened.

&quot;Phonegate&quot; may be a better term to use, as it shows that President Trump is under threat of impeachment for making a telephone call.  That&#039;s simpler and easier to understand, and it doesn&#039;t sound stupid.  It also places the action on Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before we go much further, I would like to say that &#8220;whistlegate&#8221; is not the best term for this matter.  It just sounds silly in itself, and it is not informative for the broader public who may be less familiar with what happened.</p>
<p>&#8220;Phonegate&#8221; may be a better term to use, as it shows that President Trump is under threat of impeachment for making a telephone call.  That&#8217;s simpler and easier to understand, and it doesn&#8217;t sound stupid.  It also places the action on Trump.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/10/04/on-the-current-state-of-whistlegate/#comment-2458186</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2019 13:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sundance very clearly explains the legal chicanery being used in service of the Democrat&#039;s phony &quot;Impeachment,&quot; as they construct a crime that isn&#039;t.

See  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/05/nancy-pelosi-is-grubering-the-american-electorate-on-impeachment-committee-requests-aka-subpoenas-constructed-to-manufacture-obstruction/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sundance very clearly explains the legal chicanery being used in service of the Democrat&#8217;s phony &#8220;Impeachment,&#8221; as they construct a crime that isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>See  <a href="https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/05/nancy-pelosi-is-grubering-the-american-electorate-on-impeachment-committee-requests-aka-subpoenas-constructed-to-manufacture-obstruction/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/10/05/nancy-pelosi-is-grubering-the-american-electorate-on-impeachment-committee-requests-aka-subpoenas-constructed-to-manufacture-obstruction/</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/10/04/on-the-current-state-of-whistlegate/#comment-2458172</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2019 04:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Manju:

As usual, you either have not read or have not understood what I wrote.  

I wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The entire fact situation regarding Hunter Biden had already started to be prosecuted by Ukraine long before Trump was president, and it was dropped by a prosecutor who replaced the prosecutor Biden as VP had fired (with a direct quid pro quo threat to withhold foreign aid if that prosecutor was not fired). Biden says it was for other reasons, but it has the appearance of tremendous impropriety and corruption. It is perfectly proper to ask for help in investigating that. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Such a request is &quot;singular&quot; only in that the entire fact situation is singular - that is, unique.  Biden was NOT &quot;singled out&quot; in the sense of there being other people in the same fact situation who have not been asked to be investigated.  Nor was he &quot;singled out&quot; in the sense that Trump brought up corruption that Ukraine was previously unaware of; au contraire, they had already done some investigating of the matter of Hunter Biden and possible corruption when Joe Biden got the prosecutor fired. 

If there had been another fact situation like that involving someone else in high office using a threat of a foreign aid cutoff to dump a prosecutor investigating that politician&#039;s son, in Ukraine or any other country, Trump (or I hope, any other president of whatever party) would do well to ask that both people be investigated.  

Also, this is what Trump actually said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it… It sounds horrible to me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is the sum total of what Trump said about either Hunter of Joe Biden during that phone call, a call in which Zelensky had already talked about Ukraine stepping up its own attempt to end corruption in Ukraine. 

Here is a quote from Zelensky earlier in the conversation:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a new format and a new type of government...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 What Trump said involved two things.  The first was cooperating with the US investigation into 2016 election influence of the US by Ukraine, which had nothing to do with either Biden but had to do with corruption.  The second involved Ukraine&#039;s own concern with rooting out corruption and its own past corruption in Ukraine. It is in that latter context that the Bidens came up, and rightly so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manju:</p>
<p>As usual, you either have not read or have not understood what I wrote.  </p>
<p>I wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>The entire fact situation regarding Hunter Biden had already started to be prosecuted by Ukraine long before Trump was president, and it was dropped by a prosecutor who replaced the prosecutor Biden as VP had fired (with a direct quid pro quo threat to withhold foreign aid if that prosecutor was not fired). Biden says it was for other reasons, but it has the appearance of tremendous impropriety and corruption. It is perfectly proper to ask for help in investigating that. </p></blockquote>
<p>Such a request is &#8220;singular&#8221; only in that the entire fact situation is singular &#8211; that is, unique.  Biden was NOT &#8220;singled out&#8221; in the sense of there being other people in the same fact situation who have not been asked to be investigated.  Nor was he &#8220;singled out&#8221; in the sense that Trump brought up corruption that Ukraine was previously unaware of; au contraire, they had already done some investigating of the matter of Hunter Biden and possible corruption when Joe Biden got the prosecutor fired. </p>
<p>If there had been another fact situation like that involving someone else in high office using a threat of a foreign aid cutoff to dump a prosecutor investigating that politician&#8217;s son, in Ukraine or any other country, Trump (or I hope, any other president of whatever party) would do well to ask that both people be investigated.  </p>
<p>Also, this is what Trump actually said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The other thing, there’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it… It sounds horrible to me.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is the sum total of what Trump said about either Hunter of Joe Biden during that phone call, a call in which Zelensky had already talked about Ukraine stepping up its own attempt to end corruption in Ukraine. </p>
<p>Here is a quote from Zelensky earlier in the conversation:</p>
<blockquote><p>Well yes, to tell you the truth, we are trying to work hard because we wanted to drain the swamp here in our country. We brought in many many new people. Not the old politicians, not the typical politicians, because we want to have a new format and a new type of government&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p> What Trump said involved two things.  The first was cooperating with the US investigation into 2016 election influence of the US by Ukraine, which had nothing to do with either Biden but had to do with corruption.  The second involved Ukraine&#8217;s own concern with rooting out corruption and its own past corruption in Ukraine. It is in that latter context that the Bidens came up, and rightly so.</p>
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		By: Manju		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manju]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2019 03:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Biden was not singled out to be prosecuted.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Trump was asked; &quot;Have you asked foreign leaders for any corruption investigations that &lt;strong&gt;don&#039;t involve your political opponents?&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.vox.com/2019/10/4/20899087/trump-corruption-investigation-ukraine-china-scandal&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;He could not name any. &lt;/a&gt; Trump singled out Biden.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Biden was not singled out to be prosecuted.</p></blockquote>
<p>Trump was asked; &#8220;Have you asked foreign leaders for any corruption investigations that <strong>don&#8217;t involve your political opponents?</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.vox.com/2019/10/4/20899087/trump-corruption-investigation-ukraine-china-scandal" rel="nofollow">He could not name any. </a> Trump singled out Biden.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2019 01:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Ol’ Yeller gotta yell.&lt;/i&gt;

When I first heard Ol&#039; Yeller applied to Sanders, I jumped to the conclusion that it was because Ol&#039; Yeller in the book had become rabid and the poor boy, Travis, had to put Yeller down.

Not that I bear Sanders any personal ill will.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Ol’ Yeller gotta yell.</i></p>
<p>When I first heard Ol&#8217; Yeller applied to Sanders, I jumped to the conclusion that it was because Ol&#8217; Yeller in the book had become rabid and the poor boy, Travis, had to put Yeller down.</p>
<p>Not that I bear Sanders any personal ill will.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/10/04/on-the-current-state-of-whistlegate/#comment-2458099</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2019 19:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, 10/5 at 2:29 pm:  Exactly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, 10/5 at 2:29 pm:  Exactly.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2019 19:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Evaluating the continually accumulating mountain of the evidence so far, we aren’t just looking—as I had at first thought—at a piddly little conspiracy, one composed of just a handful of Obama holdovers at the CIA, DOJ, the FBI, the State Department, and NSA, plus some members of Congress, some holdover leakers in the White House, and a few leftist judges; all of their actions aided, abetted, and reinforced by the MSM.

No, we are talking about the increasingly revealed power of the Deep State at work; of a deep, large, well-organized, multi-faceted conspiracy that is international in scope, and reportedly involves conspirators in several foreign governments which are supposed to be our “Allies.”   

This is the power, the methods, the procedures, the tools, and the law of the Federal government turned against this President, and the office of the Presidency.  

You notice, don’t you, that—as far as I am aware of—there has been nothing in the way of even one substantial, publicly revealed leak of information that would work against this conspiracy coming from any of the government Department or Agencies that are involved?  

What does that tell us?

This conspiracy, this attempted coup d’etat is the supposed “It Can’t Happen Here” stuff of spy novels become real.

Such an apparently intricate and wide-spread conspiracy, one would think, involved a lot of planning and coordination, and was probably hatched and initiated quite some time ago. 

Thus, I’m thinking we’re not talking a couple of dozen, we’re much more likely talking about a hundred, or perhaps even more people, perhaps many more actors—with parts large and small. 

Thus, rather than just a mere “conspiracy of shared values,” I would surmise that there had to be some sort of leader or leadership cadre, some headquarters, some sort of war room, or at least a series of clandestine meetings—electronic and/or in person—that—to one extent or the other—gamed, planned, orchestrated, and coordinated some, or all, of the actions and events that have occurred since President Trump announced his candidacy, and which have gnawed at him, blocked his way, and battered him like a gigantic shitstorm of a hurricane.

Find out who that leader is, who the members of that cadre are, or pinpoint those meetings and who attended them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evaluating the continually accumulating mountain of the evidence so far, we aren’t just looking—as I had at first thought—at a piddly little conspiracy, one composed of just a handful of Obama holdovers at the CIA, DOJ, the FBI, the State Department, and NSA, plus some members of Congress, some holdover leakers in the White House, and a few leftist judges; all of their actions aided, abetted, and reinforced by the MSM.</p>
<p>No, we are talking about the increasingly revealed power of the Deep State at work; of a deep, large, well-organized, multi-faceted conspiracy that is international in scope, and reportedly involves conspirators in several foreign governments which are supposed to be our “Allies.”   </p>
<p>This is the power, the methods, the procedures, the tools, and the law of the Federal government turned against this President, and the office of the Presidency.  </p>
<p>You notice, don’t you, that—as far as I am aware of—there has been nothing in the way of even one substantial, publicly revealed leak of information that would work against this conspiracy coming from any of the government Department or Agencies that are involved?  </p>
<p>What does that tell us?</p>
<p>This conspiracy, this attempted coup d’etat is the supposed “It Can’t Happen Here” stuff of spy novels become real.</p>
<p>Such an apparently intricate and wide-spread conspiracy, one would think, involved a lot of planning and coordination, and was probably hatched and initiated quite some time ago. </p>
<p>Thus, I’m thinking we’re not talking a couple of dozen, we’re much more likely talking about a hundred, or perhaps even more people, perhaps many more actors—with parts large and small. </p>
<p>Thus, rather than just a mere “conspiracy of shared values,” I would surmise that there had to be some sort of leader or leadership cadre, some headquarters, some sort of war room, or at least a series of clandestine meetings—electronic and/or in person—that—to one extent or the other—gamed, planned, orchestrated, and coordinated some, or all, of the actions and events that have occurred since President Trump announced his candidacy, and which have gnawed at him, blocked his way, and battered him like a gigantic shitstorm of a hurricane.</p>
<p>Find out who that leader is, who the members of that cadre are, or pinpoint those meetings and who attended them.</p>
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