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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2019 05:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So, really, who &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; McCain working for?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/mccain-donors-flip-to-mark-kelly-over-republican-incumbent-in-key-arizona-senate-race]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, really, who <em>was</em> McCain working for?</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 19:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I think Manju is right — many Reps, including me, were happy the AZ GOP censured McCain.&lt;/i&gt;

McCain verbally attacked other Republicans (&quot;wacko birds&quot;), eventually sticking a shiv into Sarah Palin of all people.  He also created trouble at inopportune times for no very defensible reason.  In a dozen years of reading complaints about the man, I never saw someone complain that he cast a pro forma vote to confirm some random nominee to a position in the executive branch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I think Manju is right — many Reps, including me, were happy the AZ GOP censured McCain.</i></p>
<p>McCain verbally attacked other Republicans (&#8220;wacko birds&#8221;), eventually sticking a shiv into Sarah Palin of all people.  He also created trouble at inopportune times for no very defensible reason.  In a dozen years of reading complaints about the man, I never saw someone complain that he cast a pro forma vote to confirm some random nominee to a position in the executive branch.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 18:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AD - manju isn’t “playing” dumb if you follow my drift.  But think fool *and* knave.  It fits so much of the left these days.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AD &#8211; manju isn’t “playing” dumb if you follow my drift.  But think fool *and* knave.  It fits so much of the left these days.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 17:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Dems are terrible BECAUSE they think group membership is more important than ML King’s individual “character”. This group/tribal sickness is deadly to democracies, and to individual human rights. But the Dems increasingly favor it.&quot; - Tom Grey

I am listening to a Jordan Peterson interview today in fits and starts between chores, and was impressed by his rationale for writing his first book, “Maps of Meaning.” IIRC He undertook an investigation of how and why people acquiesce in the atrocities of authoritarian regimes, most notably Nazis and Soviets, in order to understand the psychology of — my phrasing — why good people do bad things.
His goal was to learn to do just the opposite, so that, if the challenge came, he would not become one of those people. His opposition to the Canadian speech coercion law came out of that decision.

About 10 minutes in. The whole thing is worth watching, of course. He seems to pack more good sense into any given ten minutes of verbiage than anyone I know of. Lewis &#038; Chesterton &#038; and others certainly have as much good to impart, but they do it more liesurely, I think, even when speaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6H2HmKDbZA
From the Aspen Ideas Festival, recorded Tuesday, June 26, 2018. Jordan Peterson, author of the best-selling 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, may be one of the most famous intellectuals in North America today. He also may be among the most misunderstood. His fans say that he’s saved their lives, and detractors say that he’s the gateway drug to the alt-right. Who is this psychologist-philosopher whom so many of us had never heard of two years ago, and what does he really believe?

Featuring Jordan Peterson in conversation with Bari Weiss. Hosted in the St. Regis Hotel Ballroom, Aspen, Colorado.

(Bari, to her credit, asked infrequent but interesting questions, and then just got out of his way.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Dems are terrible BECAUSE they think group membership is more important than ML King’s individual “character”. This group/tribal sickness is deadly to democracies, and to individual human rights. But the Dems increasingly favor it.&#8221; &#8211; Tom Grey</p>
<p>I am listening to a Jordan Peterson interview today in fits and starts between chores, and was impressed by his rationale for writing his first book, “Maps of Meaning.” IIRC He undertook an investigation of how and why people acquiesce in the atrocities of authoritarian regimes, most notably Nazis and Soviets, in order to understand the psychology of — my phrasing — why good people do bad things.<br />
His goal was to learn to do just the opposite, so that, if the challenge came, he would not become one of those people. His opposition to the Canadian speech coercion law came out of that decision.</p>
<p>About 10 minutes in. The whole thing is worth watching, of course. He seems to pack more good sense into any given ten minutes of verbiage than anyone I know of. Lewis &amp; Chesterton &amp; and others certainly have as much good to impart, but they do it more liesurely, I think, even when speaking.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6H2HmKDbZA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6H2HmKDbZA</a><br />
From the Aspen Ideas Festival, recorded Tuesday, June 26, 2018. Jordan Peterson, author of the best-selling 12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos, may be one of the most famous intellectuals in North America today. He also may be among the most misunderstood. His fans say that he’s saved their lives, and detractors say that he’s the gateway drug to the alt-right. Who is this psychologist-philosopher whom so many of us had never heard of two years ago, and what does he really believe?</p>
<p>Featuring Jordan Peterson in conversation with Bari Weiss. Hosted in the St. Regis Hotel Ballroom, Aspen, Colorado.</p>
<p>(Bari, to her credit, asked infrequent but interesting questions, and then just got out of his way.)</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 17:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin on September 19, 2019 at 6:19 am said:	

&lt;blockquote&gt;Maybe it’s the heat….
http://archive.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20140125arizona-republican-party-mccain-censure-gop.html&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&quot;The heat&quot; .... &#039;&lt;i&gt;hehehe&lt;/i&gt;&#039;

Well, Senator Media Maverick Darling did it &lt;b&gt;his way&lt;/b&gt; after all. He sabotaged his own party, back stabbed his former running mate, took great relish in doing it all, made sure everyone knew it, and then had his corpse borne out to the strains of that famous narcissist&#039;s anthem of similar name  My Way ... I did it MY way ... .Yeah, the same song Frank Sinatra claimed to have found embarrassing in retrospect.

Unfortunately there was not a Church of McCain for the national obsequies to be performed in, so they had to make do with an Episcopalian edifice which before the transformation of Episcopalianism into a lesbian earth cult, once sustained some identification with Christianity.

If there is an afterlife, and a God, I would suppose that Senator McCain same now as ever before, is warmly informing Him how it should be, and just where to get off on the next stop.

I think he is probably happy. 

Are there mirrors in Hell, do they say?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meislin on September 19, 2019 at 6:19 am said:	</p>
<blockquote><p>Maybe it’s the heat….<br />
<a href="http://archive.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20140125arizona-republican-party-mccain-censure-gop.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://archive.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20140125arizona-republican-party-mccain-censure-gop.html</a>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;The heat&#8221; &#8230;. &#8216;<i>hehehe</i>&#8216;</p>
<p>Well, Senator Media Maverick Darling did it <b>his way</b> after all. He sabotaged his own party, back stabbed his former running mate, took great relish in doing it all, made sure everyone knew it, and then had his corpse borne out to the strains of that famous narcissist&#8217;s anthem of similar name  My Way &#8230; I did it MY way &#8230; .Yeah, the same song Frank Sinatra claimed to have found embarrassing in retrospect.</p>
<p>Unfortunately there was not a Church of McCain for the national obsequies to be performed in, so they had to make do with an Episcopalian edifice which before the transformation of Episcopalianism into a lesbian earth cult, once sustained some identification with Christianity.</p>
<p>If there is an afterlife, and a God, I would suppose that Senator McCain same now as ever before, is warmly informing Him how it should be, and just where to get off on the next stop.</p>
<p>I think he is probably happy. </p>
<p>Are there mirrors in Hell, do they say?</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 16:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A censure vote from the progressive caucus, or by the whole party, really doesn&#039;t mean a lot.  In North Carolina, there&#039;s a more effective move underway.  Thom Tillis has a primary opponent who&#039;s making considerable progress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A censure vote from the progressive caucus, or by the whole party, really doesn&#8217;t mean a lot.  In North Carolina, there&#8217;s a more effective move underway.  Thom Tillis has a primary opponent who&#8217;s making considerable progress.</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 13:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think Manju is right -- many Reps, including me, were happy the AZ GOP censured McCain.  For his votes, despite his consistent &quot;good GOP&quot; record of total votes.

&lt;i&gt;McCain&#039;s offenses cited in the resolution included working on comprehensive immigration reform, or &quot;amnesty,&quot; and not going along with last year&#039;s conservative strategy to &quot;defund&quot; President Obama&#039;s signature health-care law.&lt;/i&gt;

The GOP was against amnesty, and against the health-care law.  I own that.  Most Trump-supporters and Rep voters are like that -- and are accurately described that way in the press.  McCain, in campaigning as being against Obama&#039;s health-care, but then voting to keep it, violated the Rep trust.  (Tho I think the censure came before that nearly final vote of his).

Today, the Democrats are &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt; against any and all Republicans, and whenever they can, they vote against them.  Few Dems or Dem voters will agree with that &quot;truth&quot;.  They will, as with Kavanaugh, believe in evidence-free accusations against the character of a Rep, rather than admit they hate all Reps.

This public censure of a moderate Dem is more public, and more honest, that the Democratic Party is against virtually all Republicans, and does not support them, will not vote for them, and will censure any Dem who tries to judge a Rep as an individual instead of merely judging their group membership as Rep.

The Dems are terrible BECAUSE they think group membership is more important than ML King&#039;s individual &quot;character&quot;.  This group/tribal sickness is deadly to democracies, and to individual human rights.  But the Dems increasingly favor it.

As famous Dem journalist George Packer is finding out with the &quot;hate America&quot; indoctrination his own kids are getting in NYC schools.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Manju is right &#8212; many Reps, including me, were happy the AZ GOP censured McCain.  For his votes, despite his consistent &#8220;good GOP&#8221; record of total votes.</p>
<p><i>McCain&#8217;s offenses cited in the resolution included working on comprehensive immigration reform, or &#8220;amnesty,&#8221; and not going along with last year&#8217;s conservative strategy to &#8220;defund&#8221; President Obama&#8217;s signature health-care law.</i></p>
<p>The GOP was against amnesty, and against the health-care law.  I own that.  Most Trump-supporters and Rep voters are like that &#8212; and are accurately described that way in the press.  McCain, in campaigning as being against Obama&#8217;s health-care, but then voting to keep it, violated the Rep trust.  (Tho I think the censure came before that nearly final vote of his).</p>
<p>Today, the Democrats are <i>de facto</i> against any and all Republicans, and whenever they can, they vote against them.  Few Dems or Dem voters will agree with that &#8220;truth&#8221;.  They will, as with Kavanaugh, believe in evidence-free accusations against the character of a Rep, rather than admit they hate all Reps.</p>
<p>This public censure of a moderate Dem is more public, and more honest, that the Democratic Party is against virtually all Republicans, and does not support them, will not vote for them, and will censure any Dem who tries to judge a Rep as an individual instead of merely judging their group membership as Rep.</p>
<p>The Dems are terrible BECAUSE they think group membership is more important than ML King&#8217;s individual &#8220;character&#8221;.  This group/tribal sickness is deadly to democracies, and to individual human rights.  But the Dems increasingly favor it.</p>
<p>As famous Dem journalist George Packer is finding out with the &#8220;hate America&#8221; indoctrination his own kids are getting in NYC schools.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;My God! They’re going to formally express their disapproval? &lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re either playing dumb or it&#039;s not an act. You &#039;censure&#039; someone for misconduct, not because you disagree on some ancillary matter.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My God! They’re going to formally express their disapproval? </i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re either playing dumb or it&#8217;s not an act. You &#8216;censure&#8217; someone for misconduct, not because you disagree on some ancillary matter.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 12:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Sinema is to Democrats as Collins is to Republicans.&lt;/i&gt;

Doubt it.  Collins is a programmatic and ideological temporizer who, over a period of &#062; two decades, has established herself as the member of the Senate Republican caucus most troublesome to party whips.  She doesn&#039;t have a liberal voting record by any means, and Democrats whose voting record bears any resemblance to hers are few .  Per the American Conservative Union, Collins&#039; disposition used to be the mode in the Senate Republican caucus and was favored by Hugh Scott, the Republican floor leader from 1969 to 1977.  Nowadays, she&#039;s in the tail of the bell curve with a few other Republicans, among them Sleaza Murkowski (R - Her Daddy), Mark Kirk (Illinois, now gone), John Hoeven (North Dakota, low profile), and Kelly Ayotte (Little Miss Janusface of New Hampshire, voted out as well).  John McCain had a habit of throwing a spanner into the works at inopportune times, but his voting record was normal-range for a Republican senator.  

It&#039;s too early to tell what Sinema&#039;s voting record&#039;s gonna look like, but there&#039;s currently no Democrat in the Senate as out of step with the caucus as Collins is with hers, and two of the three dissenting Democrats sitting in the last Congress (Nelson, Manchin, Donnelly) were ejected by voters (both in favor of Republicans).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sinema is to Democrats as Collins is to Republicans.</i></p>
<p>Doubt it.  Collins is a programmatic and ideological temporizer who, over a period of &gt; two decades, has established herself as the member of the Senate Republican caucus most troublesome to party whips.  She doesn&#8217;t have a liberal voting record by any means, and Democrats whose voting record bears any resemblance to hers are few .  Per the American Conservative Union, Collins&#8217; disposition used to be the mode in the Senate Republican caucus and was favored by Hugh Scott, the Republican floor leader from 1969 to 1977.  Nowadays, she&#8217;s in the tail of the bell curve with a few other Republicans, among them Sleaza Murkowski (R &#8211; Her Daddy), Mark Kirk (Illinois, now gone), John Hoeven (North Dakota, low profile), and Kelly Ayotte (Little Miss Janusface of New Hampshire, voted out as well).  John McCain had a habit of throwing a spanner into the works at inopportune times, but his voting record was normal-range for a Republican senator.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s too early to tell what Sinema&#8217;s voting record&#8217;s gonna look like, but there&#8217;s currently no Democrat in the Senate as out of step with the caucus as Collins is with hers, and two of the three dissenting Democrats sitting in the last Congress (Nelson, Manchin, Donnelly) were ejected by voters (both in favor of Republicans).</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 10:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Maybe it&#039;s the heat....
http://archive.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20140125arizona-republican-party-mccain-censure-gop.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s the heat&#8230;.<br />
<a href="http://archive.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20140125arizona-republican-party-mccain-censure-gop.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://archive.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20140125arizona-republican-party-mccain-censure-gop.html</a></p>
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