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		By: huxley		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tom Grey: You are right, of course, about the practical reality. I&#039;m just wondering how a constitutional lawyer would explain how we get around the Constitution.

Is it just a matter of appointing enough critical legal lawyers to the courts, as high up as possible, so they can make stuff up ... nod, nod, wink, wink ... to push the leftist agenda?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Grey: You are right, of course, about the practical reality. I&#8217;m just wondering how a constitutional lawyer would explain how we get around the Constitution.</p>
<p>Is it just a matter of appointing enough critical legal lawyers to the courts, as high up as possible, so they can make stuff up &#8230; nod, nod, wink, wink &#8230; to push the leftist agenda?</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;How do you decide some laws apply and some laws don’t without following the laws about laws?&lt;/i&gt;

This is exactly what PC selectivity allows.  If it&#039;s a law, like obstruction of justice or mishandling confidential info, and it&#039;s Dems who violate it -- those are the laws not enforced.  If its Reps who violate, THEN it&#039;s enforced.

Quite like Khordokovsky, almost certainly guilty of bribing tax officials and failing to pay taxes.  Like all the rich in Russia.  But also, stupidly?, going against Putin.  Guilty of the charges, but only tried because of opposition to Putin.

HR Clinton was guilty of the crimes, but NOT tried because she&#039;s a PC Dem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How do you decide some laws apply and some laws don’t without following the laws about laws?</i></p>
<p>This is exactly what PC selectivity allows.  If it&#8217;s a law, like obstruction of justice or mishandling confidential info, and it&#8217;s Dems who violate it &#8212; those are the laws not enforced.  If its Reps who violate, THEN it&#8217;s enforced.</p>
<p>Quite like Khordokovsky, almost certainly guilty of bribing tax officials and failing to pay taxes.  Like all the rich in Russia.  But also, stupidly?, going against Putin.  Guilty of the charges, but only tried because of opposition to Putin.</p>
<p>HR Clinton was guilty of the crimes, but NOT tried because she&#8217;s a PC Dem.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2019 01:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Democrats have been ending discussions with “What difference (at this point?) does that make?” for a long time already.&lt;/i&gt;

AesopFan: That&#039;s true. And I was intentionally echoing Hillary with that question.

I&#039;m still curious how deligitimizing the Constitution would work, if, for the sake of argument, Americans decided to go that way. How do you decide some laws apply and some laws don&#039;t without following the laws about laws? In fact, going against some laws about laws.

I have a friend who made a summer project of rethinking the Electoral College. He concluded the EC should be abolished. But he&#039;s frustrated that the EC can&#039;t be abolished without the enormously difficult lift of amending the Constitution. So maybe we should make the Constitution easier to amend. Which presents the same problem as getting rid of the EC -- too many Americans must be convinced it&#039;s a good idea. 

It just doesn&#039;t seem fair!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Democrats have been ending discussions with “What difference (at this point?) does that make?” for a long time already.</i></p>
<p>AesopFan: That&#8217;s true. And I was intentionally echoing Hillary with that question.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still curious how deligitimizing the Constitution would work, if, for the sake of argument, Americans decided to go that way. How do you decide some laws apply and some laws don&#8217;t without following the laws about laws? In fact, going against some laws about laws.</p>
<p>I have a friend who made a summer project of rethinking the Electoral College. He concluded the EC should be abolished. But he&#8217;s frustrated that the EC can&#8217;t be abolished without the enormously difficult lift of amending the Constitution. So maybe we should make the Constitution easier to amend. Which presents the same problem as getting rid of the EC &#8212; too many Americans must be convinced it&#8217;s a good idea. </p>
<p>It just doesn&#8217;t seem fair!</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2019 00:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Democrats have been ending discussions with &quot;What difference (at this point?) does that make?&quot; for a long time already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08uk99L8oqQ
&lt;blockquote&gt;FLASHBACK: When Asked Where the Constitution Authorizes Congress to Order Americans To Buy Health Insurance, Pelosi Says: &#039;Are You Serious?&#039;
CNSNews.com originally published this story in which House Speaker Nancy Pelosi dismissed the question of whether Obamacare was constitutional on Oct. 22, 2009.
Monday, December 13, 2010
By Matt Cover
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not too oddly, considering the flexibility of Democrats, the results from my search for that clip turned up numerous current appeals by Pelosi to restrain Trump from acting unConstitutionally.
Maybe she didn&#039;t think he following the requirments with enough respect.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/08/pelosi-trump-senate-guns-1453347
&lt;blockquote&gt;Pelosi to Trump: Use the Constitution to force Senate action on guns
By HEATHER CAYGLE 08/08/2019 05:23 PM EDT Updated 08/08/2019 07:59 PM EDT
Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday called on President Donald Trump to use his constitutional powers to bring the Senate back into session, ramping up her efforts to force Republicans to act against gun violence.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/9419-1
&lt;blockquote&gt;Trump Violates the Constitution, Lavish Properties are a Cesspool of Corruption
SEPTEMBER 4, 2019 BLOG
President Trump is violating the Constitution by making money off of his lavish, ritzy resort properties, ultimately prioritizing his profits over the interests of the American people.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democrats have been ending discussions with &#8220;What difference (at this point?) does that make?&#8221; for a long time already.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08uk99L8oqQ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08uk99L8oqQ</a></p>
<blockquote><p>FLASHBACK: When Asked Where the Constitution Authorizes Congress to Order Americans To Buy Health Insurance, Pelosi Says: &#8216;Are You Serious?&#8217;<br />
CNSNews.com originally published this story in which House Speaker Nancy Pelosi dismissed the question of whether Obamacare was constitutional on Oct. 22, 2009.<br />
Monday, December 13, 2010<br />
By Matt Cover
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<p>Not too oddly, considering the flexibility of Democrats, the results from my search for that clip turned up numerous current appeals by Pelosi to restrain Trump from acting unConstitutionally.<br />
Maybe she didn&#8217;t think he following the requirments with enough respect.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/08/pelosi-trump-senate-guns-1453347" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/08/pelosi-trump-senate-guns-1453347</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Pelosi to Trump: Use the Constitution to force Senate action on guns<br />
By HEATHER CAYGLE 08/08/2019 05:23 PM EDT Updated 08/08/2019 07:59 PM EDT<br />
Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Thursday called on President Donald Trump to use his constitutional powers to bring the Senate back into session, ramping up her efforts to force Republicans to act against gun violence.
</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/9419-1" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/9419-1</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Trump Violates the Constitution, Lavish Properties are a Cesspool of Corruption<br />
SEPTEMBER 4, 2019 BLOG<br />
President Trump is violating the Constitution by making money off of his lavish, ritzy resort properties, ultimately prioritizing his profits over the interests of the American people.
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2019 22:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;This is not to say that we should disobey all constitutional commands. &lt;b&gt;Freedom of speech and religion, equal protection of the laws and protections against governmental deprivation of life, liberty or property are important, whether or not they are in the Constitution.&lt;/b&gt; We should continue to follow those requirements out of respect, not obligation.

--Michael Seidman
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constitution.html&lt;/i&gt;

Seidman&#039;s interview is less than seven years old and already reverence for freedom of speech and religion have acquired sizeable asterisks on his side of the aisle.

It&#039;s a curious piece. He argues we shouldn&#039;t slavishly follow the Constitution, but then what happens? Who decides what happens and how? He seems to assume that 21st Century Americans will all reach the same conclusions, like a school of fish wheeling around, and say, decide to ignore the Electoral College because it&#039;s the perfectly obvious thing to do, so why not?

But what if we aren&#039;t united -- and we certainly aren&#039;t on the EC -- do we just let the right people like Seidman make the decision? And if we were that united we could just amend the Constitution.

I can only understand it as battlespace prep for future conflicts in which Democrats want to do something unconstitutional and Republicans say, &quot;But that&#039;s unconstitutional...&quot; and Democrats end the discussion by saying, &quot;What difference does that make?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is not to say that we should disobey all constitutional commands. <b>Freedom of speech and religion, equal protection of the laws and protections against governmental deprivation of life, liberty or property are important, whether or not they are in the Constitution.</b> We should continue to follow those requirements out of respect, not obligation.</p>
<p>&#8211;Michael Seidman<br />
<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constitution.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/31/opinion/lets-give-up-on-the-constitution.html</a></i></p>
<p>Seidman&#8217;s interview is less than seven years old and already reverence for freedom of speech and religion have acquired sizeable asterisks on his side of the aisle.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a curious piece. He argues we shouldn&#8217;t slavishly follow the Constitution, but then what happens? Who decides what happens and how? He seems to assume that 21st Century Americans will all reach the same conclusions, like a school of fish wheeling around, and say, decide to ignore the Electoral College because it&#8217;s the perfectly obvious thing to do, so why not?</p>
<p>But what if we aren&#8217;t united &#8212; and we certainly aren&#8217;t on the EC &#8212; do we just let the right people like Seidman make the decision? And if we were that united we could just amend the Constitution.</p>
<p>I can only understand it as battlespace prep for future conflicts in which Democrats want to do something unconstitutional and Republicans say, &#8220;But that&#8217;s unconstitutional&#8230;&#8221; and Democrats end the discussion by saying, &#8220;What difference does that make?&#8221;</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2019 21:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW Michael Savage is another conservative who came out of the Beat/Hippie scene.  He was with Timothy Leary at Millbrook and later lived in North Beach (San Francisco) and was friends with Allen Ginsberg and Lawrence Ferlinghetti.

There are a fair number of us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW Michael Savage is another conservative who came out of the Beat/Hippie scene.  He was with Timothy Leary at Millbrook and later lived in North Beach (San Francisco) and was friends with Allen Ginsberg and Lawrence Ferlinghetti.</p>
<p>There are a fair number of us.</p>
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		By: richf		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richf]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2019 15:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IMO, the &quot;Constitution is Racist !&quot; argument is a red herring. The Left wants to expand the power of the government. The whole point of the Constitution is to limit the power of government; that&#039;s what it&#039;s FOR.

Therefore the Left isn&#039;t just opposed to the content of the Constitution; they&#039;re opposed to the whole idea of a Constitution.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, the &#8220;Constitution is Racist !&#8221; argument is a red herring. The Left wants to expand the power of the government. The whole point of the Constitution is to limit the power of government; that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s FOR.</p>
<p>Therefore the Left isn&#8217;t just opposed to the content of the Constitution; they&#8217;re opposed to the whole idea of a Constitution.</p>
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		By: Roy Nathanson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2019 03:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is, indeed an attack on the Constitution. And consider this... If you delegitimize the Constitution, you delegitimize SCOTUS. The left knows that the Court will be conservative for a long time to come. Therefore they need to set the stage for the eventual overthrow of constitutional order.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is, indeed an attack on the Constitution. And consider this&#8230; If you delegitimize the Constitution, you delegitimize SCOTUS. The left knows that the Court will be conservative for a long time to come. Therefore they need to set the stage for the eventual overthrow of constitutional order.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Sep 2019 01:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco on September 14, 2019 at 3:48 pm said:
Actually, liberals ceased to have much respect for the Constitution 80-odd years ago,
* * *
Some of those years have been very odd indeed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco on September 14, 2019 at 3:48 pm said:<br />
Actually, liberals ceased to have much respect for the Constitution 80-odd years ago,<br />
* * *<br />
Some of those years have been very odd indeed.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Sep 2019 23:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo: ....... But that would be wrong, IMHO. It’s the other way around. Calling them old dead white racist men is a way to attack the Constitution.........

no... no..  its BOTH... a desert topping AND a floor wax!! 
and you use &quot;Shimmer&quot; to put the shine on.. 
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/shimmer-floor-wax/n8625

put a shine on
Pretending to be happy when you&#039;re really not.
To make the best of a bad situation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo: &#8230;&#8230;. But that would be wrong, IMHO. It’s the other way around. Calling them old dead white racist men is a way to attack the Constitution&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>no&#8230; no..  its BOTH&#8230; a desert topping AND a floor wax!!<br />
and you use &#8220;Shimmer&#8221; to put the shine on..<br />
<a href="https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/shimmer-floor-wax/n8625" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/shimmer-floor-wax/n8625</a></p>
<p>put a shine on<br />
Pretending to be happy when you&#8217;re really not.<br />
To make the best of a bad situation.</p>
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