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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/11/9-11-eighteen-years/#comment-2455350</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://nypost.com/2019/09/09/new-law-requires-ny-schools-to-observe-9-11-anniversary/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&#038;utm_medium=SocialFlow&#038;utm_campaign=SocialFlow]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://nypost.com/2019/09/09/new-law-requires-ny-schools-to-observe-9-11-anniversary/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&#038;utm_medium=SocialFlow&#038;utm_campaign=SocialFlow" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2019/09/09/new-law-requires-ny-schools-to-observe-9-11-anniversary/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&#038;utm_medium=SocialFlow&#038;utm_campaign=SocialFlow</a></p>
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		By: Roy Nathanson		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/11/9-11-eighteen-years/#comment-2455325</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roy Nathanson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 18:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Before 9-11 America was already at war. It was on that day that the vast majority of Americans realized it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before 9-11 America was already at war. It was on that day that the vast majority of Americans realized it.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/11/9-11-eighteen-years/#comment-2455315</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 15:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[American DNA in action.

https://www.breitbart.com/local/2019/09/11/florida-students-climb-100-flights-stairs-honor-9-11-victims/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>American DNA in action.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.breitbart.com/local/2019/09/11/florida-students-climb-100-flights-stairs-honor-9-11-victims/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/local/2019/09/11/florida-students-climb-100-flights-stairs-honor-9-11-victims/</a></p>
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		By: Doug Purdie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/11/9-11-eighteen-years/#comment-2455308</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 14:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Al Gore was the last Democrat I ever voted for (2000). I realized a few months after 9/11 that there were only 3 kinds of Democratic politicians:

1) The terrorist enemy threat is not a serious threat.

2) There is no enemy.

3) The enemy is us.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Gore was the last Democrat I ever voted for (2000). I realized a few months after 9/11 that there were only 3 kinds of Democratic politicians:</p>
<p>1) The terrorist enemy threat is not a serious threat.</p>
<p>2) There is no enemy.</p>
<p>3) The enemy is us.</p>
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		By: miklos000rosza		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/11/9-11-eighteen-years/#comment-2455290</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 09:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[9/11 was a huge turning point for me and ended up marking a before and after in a number of friendships in the literary and artistic world. Many people showed what one might call their &quot;true colors&quot; as they never had before. I don&#039;t even want to go into it all here case by case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>9/11 was a huge turning point for me and ended up marking a before and after in a number of friendships in the literary and artistic world. Many people showed what one might call their &#8220;true colors&#8221; as they never had before. I don&#8217;t even want to go into it all here case by case.</p>
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		By: parker		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/11/9-11-eighteen-years/#comment-2455279</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 04:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh my, there was no solidity 0.1 seconds after &quot;the airplanes did something&quot;. Any sense of solidity was just &#039;fake news&#039;. The left side was in between the sheets with radical islam before 9/11/01. They do not suspect that the alligator is saving them for dessert. Fools and idiots.

BTW, food fights are idiotic. You know who you are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my, there was no solidity 0.1 seconds after &#8220;the airplanes did something&#8221;. Any sense of solidity was just &#8216;fake news&#8217;. The left side was in between the sheets with radical islam before 9/11/01. They do not suspect that the alligator is saving them for dessert. Fools and idiots.</p>
<p>BTW, food fights are idiotic. You know who you are.</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 01:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo and Tommy J; I remember reading somewhere that Bid Laden had expected them to topple over like dominoes.  He didn&#039;t expect the straight down implosion which occurred.  Sorry, I cannot remember where it was that I read that.

Also, I considered it a small miracle that the towers stood as long as they did; allowing for most people (civilians anyway) below the floors of impact to get out and get away from the area.

It took about 4 hours to evacuate the towers when the bombing happened in 1993.  I&#039;m not sure how long it took on 9-11; but, I have no doubt that thousands more lived because the towers stood as long as they did.  Estimates I&#039;ve read say about 15,000 were in the towers at that time. Peak mid-day is about 40,000 or 50,000.  It was early enough that many were not at work yet and most tourists weren&#039;t there yet.  Thank God that the attack didn&#039;t happen later in the day or that the towers didn&#039;t come down sooner.

Today, I pass through the new WTC&#039;s Oculus every day.  There are simple reminders in the WTC PATH station which is that a couple of the train platforms have inlaid markings showing where the footprint of the original towers were; as well as a portion of one of the platforms is glass showing part of the original structure underneath.

While I would personally prefer to not have the daily reminder (every weekday at 7:16 AM on platform 4), I am glad that something has been saved to remind future generations of what happened, and, that it didn&#039;t happen in the abstract; but, it happened &quot;right here, under your feet.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo and Tommy J; I remember reading somewhere that Bid Laden had expected them to topple over like dominoes.  He didn&#8217;t expect the straight down implosion which occurred.  Sorry, I cannot remember where it was that I read that.</p>
<p>Also, I considered it a small miracle that the towers stood as long as they did; allowing for most people (civilians anyway) below the floors of impact to get out and get away from the area.</p>
<p>It took about 4 hours to evacuate the towers when the bombing happened in 1993.  I&#8217;m not sure how long it took on 9-11; but, I have no doubt that thousands more lived because the towers stood as long as they did.  Estimates I&#8217;ve read say about 15,000 were in the towers at that time. Peak mid-day is about 40,000 or 50,000.  It was early enough that many were not at work yet and most tourists weren&#8217;t there yet.  Thank God that the attack didn&#8217;t happen later in the day or that the towers didn&#8217;t come down sooner.</p>
<p>Today, I pass through the new WTC&#8217;s Oculus every day.  There are simple reminders in the WTC PATH station which is that a couple of the train platforms have inlaid markings showing where the footprint of the original towers were; as well as a portion of one of the platforms is glass showing part of the original structure underneath.</p>
<p>While I would personally prefer to not have the daily reminder (every weekday at 7:16 AM on platform 4), I am glad that something has been saved to remind future generations of what happened, and, that it didn&#8217;t happen in the abstract; but, it happened &#8220;right here, under your feet.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/11/9-11-eighteen-years/#comment-2455252</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 00:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If you think an author’s point is poorly expressed say so, but to tell any author what their point is is the height of narcissistic arrogance.&lt;/i&gt;

I quoted you verbatim and in context.  

&lt;i&gt;Secondly, you reduce commitment and bravery to recklessness (a simple willingness throw the dice).&lt;/i&gt;

No, I&#039;m using a metaphor to refer to decision-making under uncertainty.


&lt;i&gt;You are correct, we are not “talking” past each other, your’s appears to be a reckless argument that seems to devolve to a simple schoolyard taunt; “Art’s ancestors had it harder than T’s ancestors.”&lt;/i&gt;


The person who drew the distinction was the one who uttered this remark, 

&quot;Remember that many of us are here because of ancestors coming to this country who could not even speak its language upon arrival. To emigrate like that, with only the clothes on your back takes a level of belief, commitment, and bravery in the extreme. &quot;


Which wasn&#039;t, er, me.  


I&#039;ve pointed out to you that you rather overstated matters, as can be seen from comparing one migrant population to another.  Which I gather I&#039;m not permitted to do because reasons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If you think an author’s point is poorly expressed say so, but to tell any author what their point is is the height of narcissistic arrogance.</i></p>
<p>I quoted you verbatim and in context.  </p>
<p><i>Secondly, you reduce commitment and bravery to recklessness (a simple willingness throw the dice).</i></p>
<p>No, I&#8217;m using a metaphor to refer to decision-making under uncertainty.</p>
<p><i>You are correct, we are not “talking” past each other, your’s appears to be a reckless argument that seems to devolve to a simple schoolyard taunt; “Art’s ancestors had it harder than T’s ancestors.”</i></p>
<p>The person who drew the distinction was the one who uttered this remark, </p>
<p>&#8220;Remember that many of us are here because of ancestors coming to this country who could not even speak its language upon arrival. To emigrate like that, with only the clothes on your back takes a level of belief, commitment, and bravery in the extreme. &#8221;</p>
<p>Which wasn&#8217;t, er, me.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve pointed out to you that you rather overstated matters, as can be seen from comparing one migrant population to another.  Which I gather I&#8217;m not permitted to do because reasons.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 00:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Nothing will change until it is no longer socially acceptable to deny that the source of Islamic terrorism is Islam itself.&lt;/i&gt;

No, the source of Islamic terrorism is Islamic terrorists, whose numbers rise and decline according to cultural dynamics, political strategy, and defensive response.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nothing will change until it is no longer socially acceptable to deny that the source of Islamic terrorism is Islam itself.</i></p>
<p>No, the source of Islamic terrorism is Islamic terrorists, whose numbers rise and decline according to cultural dynamics, political strategy, and defensive response.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/11/9-11-eighteen-years/#comment-2455249</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 23:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay:

I have no idea where I read about it or how reliable it was, but my recollection is that yes, Bin Laden et al hoped the towers would be tremendously damaged and &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; even be brought down, but they were surprised that it actually happened.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay:</p>
<p>I have no idea where I read about it or how reliable it was, but my recollection is that yes, Bin Laden et al hoped the towers would be tremendously damaged and <i>might</i> even be brought down, but they were surprised that it actually happened.</p>
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