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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/09/debunking-howard-zinn/#comment-2455280</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Banned Lizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Sep 2019 04:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Journalism ethics and standards&lt;/b&gt;
&lt;i&gt;While various existing codes have some differences, most share common elements including the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability, as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public.&lt;/i&gt;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards

Traditional journalists at least strove for objectivity, which made for a vastly superior product to that of today&#039;s advocacy journalists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Journalism ethics and standards</b><br />
<i>While various existing codes have some differences, most share common elements including the principles of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness, and public accountability, as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public.</i><br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards</a></p>
<p>Traditional journalists at least strove for objectivity, which made for a vastly superior product to that of today&#8217;s advocacy journalists.</p>
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		By: BrooklynBoy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/09/debunking-howard-zinn/#comment-2455189</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BrooklynBoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 18:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The first indication a book or a thing is Red is the use of the term &quot;People&#039;s&quot; in its title.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first indication a book or a thing is Red is the use of the term &#8220;People&#8217;s&#8221; in its title.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/09/debunking-howard-zinn/#comment-2455172</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The editions issued in the last 20 years have been under the imprint of HarperCollins.  Not sure about the earlier editions.  So, a trade publisher thought they could make money off this.  Again, there&#039;s an audience among a certain sort of bourgeois for verbose libels.  A great many sh!ts in this world.  


I think if he&#039;d wanted to place it with a university press he might have been compelled to incorporate a proper set of notes and bibliography.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The editions issued in the last 20 years have been under the imprint of HarperCollins.  Not sure about the earlier editions.  So, a trade publisher thought they could make money off this.  Again, there&#8217;s an audience among a certain sort of bourgeois for verbose libels.  A great many sh!ts in this world.  </p>
<p>I think if he&#8217;d wanted to place it with a university press he might have been compelled to incorporate a proper set of notes and bibliography.</p>
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		By: Forbes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/09/debunking-howard-zinn/#comment-2455167</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m 3/4 through &quot;Debunking.&quot; It is worthwhile and highly recommended. It&#039;s not a polemic--it&#039;s a true debunking, so it&#039;s filled with historical context missing in Zinn&#039;s book.

Zinn&#039;s book is filled with plagiarism, quotations out of context (in many cases, reversing meaning) and outright error and falsification, failing standards of historical and ethical scholarship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 3/4 through &#8220;Debunking.&#8221; It is worthwhile and highly recommended. It&#8217;s not a polemic&#8211;it&#8217;s a true debunking, so it&#8217;s filled with historical context missing in Zinn&#8217;s book.</p>
<p>Zinn&#8217;s book is filled with plagiarism, quotations out of context (in many cases, reversing meaning) and outright error and falsification, failing standards of historical and ethical scholarship.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/09/debunking-howard-zinn/#comment-2455156</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Grabar’s exhaustive research and documentation does just cites multiple alternative sources – heaps of sources and books that Zinn intentionally ignored. Willfully and intentionally ignored. And, unlike Zinn, she demonstrates how an author should source background material&lt;/i&gt;

Zinn didn&#039;t make a habit of constructing a proper architecture of references.  His dissertation advisor may have insisted on it in 1959, but it&#039;s usually absent from his books.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Grabar’s exhaustive research and documentation does just cites multiple alternative sources – heaps of sources and books that Zinn intentionally ignored. Willfully and intentionally ignored. And, unlike Zinn, she demonstrates how an author should source background material</i></p>
<p>Zinn didn&#8217;t make a habit of constructing a proper architecture of references.  His dissertation advisor may have insisted on it in 1959, but it&#8217;s usually absent from his books.</p>
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		By: Dan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/09/debunking-howard-zinn/#comment-2455155</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Left is very patient, good at playing the long game. Conservatives, not so much. Thus, turning the tide may be a futile effort.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Left is very patient, good at playing the long game. Conservatives, not so much. Thus, turning the tide may be a futile effort.</p>
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		By: No Justice, No Peace		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/09/debunking-howard-zinn/#comment-2455154</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[No Justice, No Peace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grabar’s book will force you to understand why Zinn’ book is so very destructive, so intentionally destructive. “Debunking Howard Zinn”, in almost every single sentence, unwinds and exhaustively documents the depths of Zinn&#039;s falsehoods and deceptive approach.
All three of my children were subjected to Zinn&#039;s &quot;history&quot;. Most parents, in a very good school district, were oblivious because it was only mentioned as an aside as a &quot;resource&quot; supplement. There were no other counter-factual resource supplements provided. I complained to the Department head, a highly respected &quot;educator&quot;. He said he used Zinn&#039;s book when he taught. He was shocked that anyone would question Zinn.

Similarly, my sister-in-law was also shocked when I pointed out how awful Zinn&#039;s false narrative is and how harmful it will be for her children. She has a graduate degree from Georgetown and thought the book the most influential she ever read.

Grabar&#039;s exhaustive research and documentation does just cites multiple alternative sources  - heaps of sources and books that Zinn intentionally ignored. Willfully and intentionally ignored. And, unlike Zinn, she demonstrates how an author should source background material

Ironically the mantra in the &#039;60&#039;s from radicals like Zinn was to not trust anyone over thirty and to question authority. Grabar makes the case. Zinn&#039;s work should never have ever been trusted and every word he wrote, and those of his sources should be questioned. It should be placed in the dust bin and ignored.

But it’s more than the future. The use of Zinn’s “history” in a public school, really any school, borders on criminal. Our children deserve better. Grabar’s book provides the antidote to remove the scales from the eyes of a generation of children who have been subjected to Zinn’s “work”. Buy this book and gift it to those who have been cheated out of an education! Buy it now. They need to begin questioning what they&#039;ve been taught!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grabar’s book will force you to understand why Zinn’ book is so very destructive, so intentionally destructive. “Debunking Howard Zinn”, in almost every single sentence, unwinds and exhaustively documents the depths of Zinn&#8217;s falsehoods and deceptive approach.<br />
All three of my children were subjected to Zinn&#8217;s &#8220;history&#8221;. Most parents, in a very good school district, were oblivious because it was only mentioned as an aside as a &#8220;resource&#8221; supplement. There were no other counter-factual resource supplements provided. I complained to the Department head, a highly respected &#8220;educator&#8221;. He said he used Zinn&#8217;s book when he taught. He was shocked that anyone would question Zinn.</p>
<p>Similarly, my sister-in-law was also shocked when I pointed out how awful Zinn&#8217;s false narrative is and how harmful it will be for her children. She has a graduate degree from Georgetown and thought the book the most influential she ever read.</p>
<p>Grabar&#8217;s exhaustive research and documentation does just cites multiple alternative sources  &#8211; heaps of sources and books that Zinn intentionally ignored. Willfully and intentionally ignored. And, unlike Zinn, she demonstrates how an author should source background material</p>
<p>Ironically the mantra in the &#8217;60&#8217;s from radicals like Zinn was to not trust anyone over thirty and to question authority. Grabar makes the case. Zinn&#8217;s work should never have ever been trusted and every word he wrote, and those of his sources should be questioned. It should be placed in the dust bin and ignored.</p>
<p>But it’s more than the future. The use of Zinn’s “history” in a public school, really any school, borders on criminal. Our children deserve better. Grabar’s book provides the antidote to remove the scales from the eyes of a generation of children who have been subjected to Zinn’s “work”. Buy this book and gift it to those who have been cheated out of an education! Buy it now. They need to begin questioning what they&#8217;ve been taught!</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/09/debunking-howard-zinn/#comment-2455151</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The common overarching theme among postmodernists i&lt;/i&gt;

Again, what he said was that &#039;objectivity&#039; is impossible, not that there is no truth.  And he&#039;s right.  Some sort of normative consideration is incorporated into what you deem salient and what you don&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The common overarching theme among postmodernists i</i></p>
<p>Again, what he said was that &#8216;objectivity&#8217; is impossible, not that there is no truth.  And he&#8217;s right.  Some sort of normative consideration is incorporated into what you deem salient and what you don&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Banned Lizard		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/09/debunking-howard-zinn/#comment-2455145</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Banned Lizard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Sep 2019 07:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zinn: &quot;I was not going to be an objective historian, because I didn’t really believe objectivity was possible, nor was it desirable...&quot;
Moreover,
&quot;Objectivity is impossible and it is also undesirable. That is, if it were possible it would be undesirable, because if you have any kind of a social aim, if you think history should serve society in some way; should serve the progress of the human race; should serve justice in some way, then it requires that you make your selection on the basis of what you think will advance causes of humanity.&quot;

The common overarching theme among postmodernists is their abiding belief that the narrow focus they are trapped in is inescapable by anyone.  As objectivity is the surest bridge to a changed perspective, it is the bridge they seek to deny and destroy if possible.  Yet quite obviously they cannot.  Best to avoid these chronically frustrated pissants.  They see enemies everywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zinn: &#8220;I was not going to be an objective historian, because I didn’t really believe objectivity was possible, nor was it desirable&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Moreover,<br />
&#8220;Objectivity is impossible and it is also undesirable. That is, if it were possible it would be undesirable, because if you have any kind of a social aim, if you think history should serve society in some way; should serve the progress of the human race; should serve justice in some way, then it requires that you make your selection on the basis of what you think will advance causes of humanity.&#8221;</p>
<p>The common overarching theme among postmodernists is their abiding belief that the narrow focus they are trapped in is inescapable by anyone.  As objectivity is the surest bridge to a changed perspective, it is the bridge they seek to deny and destroy if possible.  Yet quite obviously they cannot.  Best to avoid these chronically frustrated pissants.  They see enemies everywhere.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/09/09/debunking-howard-zinn/#comment-2455079</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2019 20:33:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Last night I watched &quot;The American President,&quot; directed by Rob Reiner and written by Aaron Sorkin. It&#039;s the movie which basically launched &quot;The West Wing&quot; TV show  and its script outtakes became much of WW&#039;s first season.

The odd thing, in retrospect, was the aristocratic grandeur and reverence Democrats had for the Presidency and America as the shining city on a hill. It seems so ... 1997.

The film is almost humorous for its hard-hitting liberal tropes, completely unexamined of course, that gun control and climate change were the obvious principled issues and the right guy as President, i.e. Michael Douglas at the peak of his powers, could make that right (and get the girl!) with a single speech.

Almost twenty years later that&#039;s still where Democrats are and no smarter that their signature issues haven&#039;t taken hold no matter what they do.

Democrats have become so anti-American that I question whether they can ever return to the &quot;West Wing-ish&quot; love for the United States they claimed not long ago.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night I watched &#8220;The American President,&#8221; directed by Rob Reiner and written by Aaron Sorkin. It&#8217;s the movie which basically launched &#8220;The West Wing&#8221; TV show  and its script outtakes became much of WW&#8217;s first season.</p>
<p>The odd thing, in retrospect, was the aristocratic grandeur and reverence Democrats had for the Presidency and America as the shining city on a hill. It seems so &#8230; 1997.</p>
<p>The film is almost humorous for its hard-hitting liberal tropes, completely unexamined of course, that gun control and climate change were the obvious principled issues and the right guy as President, i.e. Michael Douglas at the peak of his powers, could make that right (and get the girl!) with a single speech.</p>
<p>Almost twenty years later that&#8217;s still where Democrats are and no smarter that their signature issues haven&#8217;t taken hold no matter what they do.</p>
<p>Democrats have become so anti-American that I question whether they can ever return to the &#8220;West Wing-ish&#8221; love for the United States they claimed not long ago.</p>
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