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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/31/the-democratic-field-right-now/#comment-2454051</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2019 03:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Always glad to see that someone in the punditocracy agrees with me!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/02/trumps-tightened-labor-market-wins-dream-jobs-for-disabled-americans/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Always glad to see that someone in the punditocracy agrees with me!</p>
<p><a href="https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/02/trumps-tightened-labor-market-wins-dream-jobs-for-disabled-americans/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/09/02/trumps-tightened-labor-market-wins-dream-jobs-for-disabled-americans/</a></p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/31/the-democratic-field-right-now/#comment-2454029</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 21:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; I’m not going to even considers supporting someone that wants to do Universal Healthcare and Green New Deal and Universal College and Universal Basic Income and Reparations. If they could just pick one scheme, maybe I could get on board. But all of that? No way. Not even two&lt;/i&gt;

&#039;Green New Deal&#039; is mostly a sloganeering gimmick and mo&#039; subsidies for well-connected businesses to the extent that it isn&#039;t.  &#039;Reparations&#039; is a bad idea tout court and should never be enacted.  &#039;Universal college&#039; is a complete waste and should also never be enacted.  Public financing of medical care, l/t care, and schooling is properly restricted to a fixed % of total personal income and delivered through vouchers, insurance and allowances.  In medical care (and l/t care) you benefit from high deductibles and an out-of-pocket market segment where real prices can emerge.  In schooling, you benefit from a voucher-financed sector (operating within a global budget of public financing) and a tuition-financed sector which is unsubsidized and in which real prices can emerge.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I’m not going to even considers supporting someone that wants to do Universal Healthcare and Green New Deal and Universal College and Universal Basic Income and Reparations. If they could just pick one scheme, maybe I could get on board. But all of that? No way. Not even two</i></p>
<p>&#8216;Green New Deal&#8217; is mostly a sloganeering gimmick and mo&#8217; subsidies for well-connected businesses to the extent that it isn&#8217;t.  &#8216;Reparations&#8217; is a bad idea tout court and should never be enacted.  &#8216;Universal college&#8217; is a complete waste and should also never be enacted.  Public financing of medical care, l/t care, and schooling is properly restricted to a fixed % of total personal income and delivered through vouchers, insurance and allowances.  In medical care (and l/t care) you benefit from high deductibles and an out-of-pocket market segment where real prices can emerge.  In schooling, you benefit from a voucher-financed sector (operating within a global budget of public financing) and a tuition-financed sector which is unsubsidized and in which real prices can emerge.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/31/the-democratic-field-right-now/#comment-2454027</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 21:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;That doesn’t look like a stable curve to me. I&lt;/i&gt;

It has varied between 0.55 and 0.65 throughout the entire post-war period. And the question at hand is not whether it is &#039;stable&#039;, but whether there has been a secular decline.  


&lt;i&gt;Nice, but as a chart reader I’d say that looks like an overall downward trend since 2000 and the current 60.7% is only 3% over 1955 when women were mostly not working. &lt;/i&gt;

There hasn&#039;t been an &#039;overall downward trend&#039;.  It was unusually elevated in 2000, as you can see.  

About 1/3 of the working population in 1957 was female.  The composition of the working population has changed since 1957 as more married women are working and fewer elderly and disabled men are working.  The change in the composition was all but complete by 1995, by which time 46% of the working population was female (v. 47% today).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That doesn’t look like a stable curve to me. I</i></p>
<p>It has varied between 0.55 and 0.65 throughout the entire post-war period. And the question at hand is not whether it is &#8216;stable&#8217;, but whether there has been a secular decline.  </p>
<p><i>Nice, but as a chart reader I’d say that looks like an overall downward trend since 2000 and the current 60.7% is only 3% over 1955 when women were mostly not working. </i></p>
<p>There hasn&#8217;t been an &#8216;overall downward trend&#8217;.  It was unusually elevated in 2000, as you can see.  </p>
<p>About 1/3 of the working population in 1957 was female.  The composition of the working population has changed since 1957 as more married women are working and fewer elderly and disabled men are working.  The change in the composition was all but complete by 1995, by which time 46% of the working population was female (v. 47% today).</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/31/the-democratic-field-right-now/#comment-2454025</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 20:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[These very likely ill-educated, spoiled, usually doped up Hollywood lemmings, parroting what they have been told are the &quot;approved&quot; progressive thoughts, are really a joke, and despicable. 

Why anyone would look to them for any informed analysis, wisdom, or take anything they said seriously is a mystery.  

It&#039;s just the omnipresent and powerful influence of TV and the movies--the &quot;Entertainment Industry,&quot; I guess.  

The Lemmings dress the part, with all of their surgeries look the part, and when they read the lines that someone else wrote for them and are presented at their best, they seem like they&#039;re smart, informed, empathetic, wise; great-hearted, and great human beings.

But, alas, that is all make believe, and the truth is far less noble and happy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These very likely ill-educated, spoiled, usually doped up Hollywood lemmings, parroting what they have been told are the &#8220;approved&#8221; progressive thoughts, are really a joke, and despicable. </p>
<p>Why anyone would look to them for any informed analysis, wisdom, or take anything they said seriously is a mystery.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just the omnipresent and powerful influence of TV and the movies&#8211;the &#8220;Entertainment Industry,&#8221; I guess.  </p>
<p>The Lemmings dress the part, with all of their surgeries look the part, and when they read the lines that someone else wrote for them and are presented at their best, they seem like they&#8217;re smart, informed, empathetic, wise; great-hearted, and great human beings.</p>
<p>But, alas, that is all make believe, and the truth is far less noble and happy.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/31/the-democratic-field-right-now/#comment-2454016</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 20:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Snow on Pine on September 2, 2019 at 11:09 am said:
...
In this context, here is Sen. Cruz’ answer to Alyssa Milano’s taunt, asking where is the “right to self defense” mentioned/justified in the Bible.
* * *
The only time the Left acknowledges the moral stature of the Bible is when they think they can use it against believers.  I wonder if Milano has ever read any of it?

Cruz, as always, gives a superb answer.
He was my first choice, although I am not yet dissatisfied with the President we got.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow on Pine on September 2, 2019 at 11:09 am said:<br />
&#8230;<br />
In this context, here is Sen. Cruz’ answer to Alyssa Milano’s taunt, asking where is the “right to self defense” mentioned/justified in the Bible.<br />
* * *<br />
The only time the Left acknowledges the moral stature of the Bible is when they think they can use it against believers.  I wonder if Milano has ever read any of it?</p>
<p>Cruz, as always, gives a superb answer.<br />
He was my first choice, although I am not yet dissatisfied with the President we got.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/31/the-democratic-field-right-now/#comment-2454014</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 19:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Society can pay a UBI (and to an extent already is.) The problem is that people without meaningful activity go down the tubes. It’s a serious problem.&quot; - Huxley

It&#039;s the primary problem.
Handouts without meaningful employment are never a good idea, but the government cannot take the place of a robust workplace that provides jobs, because that&#039;s where the innovation surfaces that might possibly take into account the limitations of some people who aren&#039;t able to &quot;move up&quot; the scale to more sophisticated careers.
For instance, most of the supermarkets I shop at employ mildly handicapped people as baggers; they are quite competent, and provide a useful service for the shoppers who want it, and earn their income instead of having it given to them.
Win-win situation, IMHO.
(I think it&#039;s even possible that the government subsidizes their wages, but it&#039;s still not a direct handout, with the attendant problems.)

Reinstituting the WPA and CCC programs, or some kind of &quot;American Peace Corps&quot; wouldn&#039;t even work now, because the jobs those programs provided are among the ones being automated out of existence.
According to a story generally attributed to Milton Friedman about a jobs program in China,* once technology has changed the way a job is done, you really can&#039;t go backwards just to employ more people.

It is a moral, philosophical, and ideological conundrum indeed.

*
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/10/spoons-shovels/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Society can pay a UBI (and to an extent already is.) The problem is that people without meaningful activity go down the tubes. It’s a serious problem.&#8221; &#8211; Huxley</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the primary problem.<br />
Handouts without meaningful employment are never a good idea, but the government cannot take the place of a robust workplace that provides jobs, because that&#8217;s where the innovation surfaces that might possibly take into account the limitations of some people who aren&#8217;t able to &#8220;move up&#8221; the scale to more sophisticated careers.<br />
For instance, most of the supermarkets I shop at employ mildly handicapped people as baggers; they are quite competent, and provide a useful service for the shoppers who want it, and earn their income instead of having it given to them.<br />
Win-win situation, IMHO.<br />
(I think it&#8217;s even possible that the government subsidizes their wages, but it&#8217;s still not a direct handout, with the attendant problems.)</p>
<p>Reinstituting the WPA and CCC programs, or some kind of &#8220;American Peace Corps&#8221; wouldn&#8217;t even work now, because the jobs those programs provided are among the ones being automated out of existence.<br />
According to a story generally attributed to Milton Friedman about a jobs program in China,* once technology has changed the way a job is done, you really can&#8217;t go backwards just to employ more people.</p>
<p>It is a moral, philosophical, and ideological conundrum indeed.</p>
<p>*<br />
<a href="https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/10/spoons-shovels/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/10/10/spoons-shovels/</a></p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/31/the-democratic-field-right-now/#comment-2453988</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 15:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apparently Beto is now saying he is for forcible by backs, and the outright banning of AR-15s and AK-47s. 

In this context, here is Sen. Cruz&#039; answer to Alyssa Milano&#039;s taunt, asking where is the &quot;right to self defense&quot; mentioned/justified in the Bible.  

In giving his decisive answer, Cruz uses some brilliant quotes I&#039;ve never seen before.

See  https://www.dailywire.com/news/51284/milano-wants-know-why-self-defense-god-given-right-ryan-saavedra

Milano one Hollywood&#039;s pretty on the surface plastic faces hiding a whole lotta stupid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently Beto is now saying he is for forcible by backs, and the outright banning of AR-15s and AK-47s. </p>
<p>In this context, here is Sen. Cruz&#8217; answer to Alyssa Milano&#8217;s taunt, asking where is the &#8220;right to self defense&#8221; mentioned/justified in the Bible.  </p>
<p>In giving his decisive answer, Cruz uses some brilliant quotes I&#8217;ve never seen before.</p>
<p>See  <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/51284/milano-wants-know-why-self-defense-god-given-right-ryan-saavedra" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dailywire.com/news/51284/milano-wants-know-why-self-defense-god-given-right-ryan-saavedra</a></p>
<p>Milano one Hollywood&#8217;s pretty on the surface plastic faces hiding a whole lotta stupid.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/31/the-democratic-field-right-now/#comment-2453987</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 14:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley:

You proposed UBI for the great unknown threat of AI and economic change and then complain about being reminded about history.  Current events (immigration and education/indoctrination)  will &quot;we all know&quot; render UBI bankrupt but it would be mostly fair in that everyone (except the Yangs and party elites) will be eating garbage and sleeping on dirt (we had paved roads and sidewalks before UBI).  Welcome to San Francisco.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley:</p>
<p>You proposed UBI for the great unknown threat of AI and economic change and then complain about being reminded about history.  Current events (immigration and education/indoctrination)  will &#8220;we all know&#8221; render UBI bankrupt but it would be mostly fair in that everyone (except the Yangs and party elites) will be eating garbage and sleeping on dirt (we had paved roads and sidewalks before UBI).  Welcome to San Francisco.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 05:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om: Tell me something I don&#039;t know.

My point, and I could be wrong, is that the computer revolution in all its guises is consuming more jobs than it creates. If that is the case, more and more people will be able to find employment, so what do you do with them?

Shrug and say &quot;Life continues to be hard for them&quot;? Sleep in the parks and eat garbage?

The upside of the computer revolution is that overall it makes society richer. Most jobs being automated, I&#039;m happy to see people not having to do. Society can pay a UBI (and to an extent already is.) The problem is that people without meaningful activity go down the tubes. It&#039;s a serious problem.

So, what&#039;s your solution, within the constraints I&#039;ve outlined?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om: Tell me something I don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>My point, and I could be wrong, is that the computer revolution in all its guises is consuming more jobs than it creates. If that is the case, more and more people will be able to find employment, so what do you do with them?</p>
<p>Shrug and say &#8220;Life continues to be hard for them&#8221;? Sleep in the parks and eat garbage?</p>
<p>The upside of the computer revolution is that overall it makes society richer. Most jobs being automated, I&#8217;m happy to see people not having to do. Society can pay a UBI (and to an extent already is.) The problem is that people without meaningful activity go down the tubes. It&#8217;s a serious problem.</p>
<p>So, what&#8217;s your solution, within the constraints I&#8217;ve outlined?</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 05:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[UBI also won&#039;t solve the problem of individuals who are drug addled from adolescence onward, or who never had sufficient innate intelligence, and consequently are not trainable or teachable.   Life continues to be hard for them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UBI also won&#8217;t solve the problem of individuals who are drug addled from adolescence onward, or who never had sufficient innate intelligence, and consequently are not trainable or teachable.   Life continues to be hard for them.</p>
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