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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jamie on August 28, 2019 at 7:44 am said:

My younger son watches videos the way I read blogs; I wonder if his thoughts are in movie form.
* * *
One of our sons had a great deal of difficulty with reading and spelling in grade school, which we managed but never really overcame until he got older.
He was eventually able to describe what was happening: he did not remember letters and words as such, but literally / visually as movies, and after he had (a real example from first grade) &quot;watched&quot; 9 spelling words, the 10th one exceeded his bandwidth and he forgot them all.
He does well at reading now, but still can&#039;t spell without great effort.
Curiously, the grandson of one of my friends, some years later, was having the same kinds of trouble in school, and when I talked to him I found out he also was one of the &quot;movie&quot; visualizers.
Both were very artistic, and I suspect here is a correlation between this quasi-synesthesia and that talent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie on August 28, 2019 at 7:44 am said:</p>
<p>My younger son watches videos the way I read blogs; I wonder if his thoughts are in movie form.<br />
* * *<br />
One of our sons had a great deal of difficulty with reading and spelling in grade school, which we managed but never really overcame until he got older.<br />
He was eventually able to describe what was happening: he did not remember letters and words as such, but literally / visually as movies, and after he had (a real example from first grade) &#8220;watched&#8221; 9 spelling words, the 10th one exceeded his bandwidth and he forgot them all.<br />
He does well at reading now, but still can&#8217;t spell without great effort.<br />
Curiously, the grandson of one of my friends, some years later, was having the same kinds of trouble in school, and when I talked to him I found out he also was one of the &#8220;movie&#8221; visualizers.<br />
Both were very artistic, and I suspect here is a correlation between this quasi-synesthesia and that talent.</p>
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		By: R.C.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2019 20:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Inner voice is a great part of reading comprehension, especially if you have some acting talent and can use the appropriate accents/delivery when reading poetry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inner voice is a great part of reading comprehension, especially if you have some acting talent and can use the appropriate accents/delivery when reading poetry.</p>
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		By: Tom G		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2019 12:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great Feynman example by Frederick - thinking is both in words and, at times, in visual images.  I haven&#039;t much thought about baby thoughts before, except for the idea of hooking up a direct implant into a brain that connects to a computer that, thru proper thinking, allows the brain to control an on-screen avatar.  With the next step being to substitute a real exo-skeleton / waldo device that follows the same brain commands.  Thought as action, with body response being the reaction to the thought.  I used to think that Computer Aided Telepathy would be a big thing, but now mobile phones do most of that better so there is little need, little market, little profit potential.

Not having a &quot;word&quot; for something certainly makes thinking of a concept more difficult.  We mostly us Leibniz&#039;s &quot;calculus&quot; math symbols rather than the more complex summation ones that Newton used as he invented it first. Maybe.  The Slovak language is often missing words that are common in English, like having the same word for &quot;borrow&quot; (/lend), where the difficult grammar indicates who is borrower and who is the one borrowed from.  An English word like &quot;cut&quot; might have different Slovak words depending on whether one cuts hair, or wood, or bread.  (Not to mention cards.)  As a language, the English acceptance of other words and concepts is unsurpassed.  C&#039;est la Vie.

I usually hold my internal conversations in silence, but my wife has mentioned I&#039;m doing too much of verbal talking to myself in the last few years.  I suspect that men are more often visual thinkers and women more verbal.

I&#039;m pretty sure Truth is not merely words; I&#039;m sure reality isn&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Feynman example by Frederick &#8211; thinking is both in words and, at times, in visual images.  I haven&#8217;t much thought about baby thoughts before, except for the idea of hooking up a direct implant into a brain that connects to a computer that, thru proper thinking, allows the brain to control an on-screen avatar.  With the next step being to substitute a real exo-skeleton / waldo device that follows the same brain commands.  Thought as action, with body response being the reaction to the thought.  I used to think that Computer Aided Telepathy would be a big thing, but now mobile phones do most of that better so there is little need, little market, little profit potential.</p>
<p>Not having a &#8220;word&#8221; for something certainly makes thinking of a concept more difficult.  We mostly us Leibniz&#8217;s &#8220;calculus&#8221; math symbols rather than the more complex summation ones that Newton used as he invented it first. Maybe.  The Slovak language is often missing words that are common in English, like having the same word for &#8220;borrow&#8221; (/lend), where the difficult grammar indicates who is borrower and who is the one borrowed from.  An English word like &#8220;cut&#8221; might have different Slovak words depending on whether one cuts hair, or wood, or bread.  (Not to mention cards.)  As a language, the English acceptance of other words and concepts is unsurpassed.  C&#8217;est la Vie.</p>
<p>I usually hold my internal conversations in silence, but my wife has mentioned I&#8217;m doing too much of verbal talking to myself in the last few years.  I suspect that men are more often visual thinkers and women more verbal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure Truth is not merely words; I&#8217;m sure reality isn&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Jamie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/26/inner-speech/#comment-2453410</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2019 11:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think I used to live inside my head, both in words and not, much more than I do now. Now, it seems I&#039;m never without this little tyrant I&#039;m typing on, so the inside of my head is seldom quiet enough for me to have a thought - or at least a thought that&#039;s not related to what I just read. 

My younger son watches videos the way I read blogs; I wonder if his thoughts are in movie form. My unprompted thoughts have pretty much always been spoken-word (never written-word), but then I was a constant reader from when I first learned to read, so I guess I don&#039;t have enough information to opine on whether how we shape those unprompted thoughts is innate or shaped in turn by how we prefer to experience the world.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I used to live inside my head, both in words and not, much more than I do now. Now, it seems I&#8217;m never without this little tyrant I&#8217;m typing on, so the inside of my head is seldom quiet enough for me to have a thought &#8211; or at least a thought that&#8217;s not related to what I just read. </p>
<p>My younger son watches videos the way I read blogs; I wonder if his thoughts are in movie form. My unprompted thoughts have pretty much always been spoken-word (never written-word), but then I was a constant reader from when I first learned to read, so I guess I don&#8217;t have enough information to opine on whether how we shape those unprompted thoughts is innate or shaped in turn by how we prefer to experience the world.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Aug 2019 06:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Do we think in words? Feynman had an example:

&lt;i&gt;I said, “But thinking is nothing but talking to yourself inside.”

“Oh yeah?” Bernie said. “Do you know the crazy shape of the crankshaft in a car?”

“Yeah, what of it?”

“Good. Now, tell me: how did you describe it when you were talking to yourself?”

So I learned from Bernie that thoughts can be visual as well as verbal.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do we think in words? Feynman had an example:</p>
<p><i>I said, “But thinking is nothing but talking to yourself inside.”</p>
<p>“Oh yeah?” Bernie said. “Do you know the crazy shape of the crankshaft in a car?”</p>
<p>“Yeah, what of it?”</p>
<p>“Good. Now, tell me: how did you describe it when you were talking to yourself?”</p>
<p>So I learned from Bernie that thoughts can be visual as well as verbal.</i></p>
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		By: Presbypoet		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2019 22:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Much we do we do without thinking, (finger-hot stove). Much of our day to day actions are done by our subconscious. That is who hits the ball. Driving is much harder if you try to think about it. You have to let your subconscious know what you want, and let it do it. I don&#039;t think about which keys to type, I think of the word I want, and my &quot;fingers&quot; do the work without my thinking about typing.  

The strange part of that is my subconscious has a mind of its own. I would fall asleep typing a novel, and wake, needing to edit extra words typed while &quot;I&quot; was sleeping. Real words, not just zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. One of my favorites was &quot;my blog is the frog i am not&quot; . We just ride the horse.

I fall asleep very easily, and touch type, so my fingers are able to type with my eyes closed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much we do we do without thinking, (finger-hot stove). Much of our day to day actions are done by our subconscious. That is who hits the ball. Driving is much harder if you try to think about it. You have to let your subconscious know what you want, and let it do it. I don&#8217;t think about which keys to type, I think of the word I want, and my &#8220;fingers&#8221; do the work without my thinking about typing.  </p>
<p>The strange part of that is my subconscious has a mind of its own. I would fall asleep typing a novel, and wake, needing to edit extra words typed while &#8220;I&#8221; was sleeping. Real words, not just zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. One of my favorites was &#8220;my blog is the frog i am not&#8221; . We just ride the horse.</p>
<p>I fall asleep very easily, and touch type, so my fingers are able to type with my eyes closed.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2019 16:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Can you imagine how terrible a baseball player would be if they tried to think in words about how to hit a pitch?&quot;

A centipede was happy, quite, 
until a frog in fun, 
said, &quot;Pray, which leg comes after which?&quot;
Which raised her mind to such a pitch
she lay distracted in a ditch
considering how to run.

(That&#039;s the way I learned it in grade school, so it must be right; however, I don&#039;t put a &quot;p&quot; in hamster unless it is a silent one.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Centipede%27s_Dilemma]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Can you imagine how terrible a baseball player would be if they tried to think in words about how to hit a pitch?&#8221;</p>
<p>A centipede was happy, quite,<br />
until a frog in fun,<br />
said, &#8220;Pray, which leg comes after which?&#8221;<br />
Which raised her mind to such a pitch<br />
she lay distracted in a ditch<br />
considering how to run.</p>
<p>(That&#8217;s the way I learned it in grade school, so it must be right; however, I don&#8217;t put a &#8220;p&#8221; in hamster unless it is a silent one.)<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Centipede%27s_Dilemma" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Centipede%27s_Dilemma</a></p>
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		By: Chester Draws		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2019 05:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Anyone who claims people don’t think in words is just not really understanding their own mental processes well enough to see it in action.&lt;/i&gt;

Clearly utterly incorrect. 

-- Am I hungry? How would I even put thinking about that into words? Do you honestly think your internal monologue goes &quot;Am I hungry? Stomach, give me your report. Ah, a bit of a pang. Maybe I should eat.&quot; 

-- Do I want my sandwich heated? I recall the tastes of the two, and make a decision. There are no words involved at any point. 

-- Do I want to walk the long way to work, or the faster but more tiring short way? I &quot;think&quot; about how each would make me &quot;feel&quot;, and make a decision. 

-- What am I going to wear? Where did I leave my keys? 

I would say that &lt;b&gt;most&lt;/b&gt; of our decisions are made without words. 

I know that when I watch football, that I basically stop thinking in words at all. I see the actions and know what I expect to happen, and then observe if it does happen, far faster than I could ever process in words. 

Can you imagine how terrible a baseball player would be if they tried to think in words about how to hit a pitch?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Anyone who claims people don’t think in words is just not really understanding their own mental processes well enough to see it in action.</i></p>
<p>Clearly utterly incorrect. </p>
<p>&#8212; Am I hungry? How would I even put thinking about that into words? Do you honestly think your internal monologue goes &#8220;Am I hungry? Stomach, give me your report. Ah, a bit of a pang. Maybe I should eat.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8212; Do I want my sandwich heated? I recall the tastes of the two, and make a decision. There are no words involved at any point. </p>
<p>&#8212; Do I want to walk the long way to work, or the faster but more tiring short way? I &#8220;think&#8221; about how each would make me &#8220;feel&#8221;, and make a decision. </p>
<p>&#8212; What am I going to wear? Where did I leave my keys? </p>
<p>I would say that <b>most</b> of our decisions are made without words. </p>
<p>I know that when I watch football, that I basically stop thinking in words at all. I see the actions and know what I expect to happen, and then observe if it does happen, far faster than I could ever process in words. </p>
<p>Can you imagine how terrible a baseball player would be if they tried to think in words about how to hit a pitch?</p>
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		By: Roy Nathanson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2019 04:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MJR,

With all my sympathy and respect... I find that fascinating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MJR,</p>
<p>With all my sympathy and respect&#8230; I find that fascinating.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Aug 2019 04:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OT: I just watched an excellent documentary on Heidegger, which provides more of a biographical view of the man than a summary of his daunting philosophy. 

&quot;Heidegger: Human, All Too Human -- Full BBC Documentary&quot;
https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/heidegger-thinking-the-unthinkable/

It pays particular attention to the new discoveries of Heidegger&#039;s involvement with Nazism, which bothered some viewers as a smear, but to me it&#039;s still essential, given Heidegger&#039;s position as an ultimate philosopher discoursing on what it is to be an authentic human being.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT: I just watched an excellent documentary on Heidegger, which provides more of a biographical view of the man than a summary of his daunting philosophy. </p>
<p>&#8220;Heidegger: Human, All Too Human &#8212; Full BBC Documentary&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/heidegger-thinking-the-unthinkable/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/heidegger-thinking-the-unthinkable/</a></p>
<p>It pays particular attention to the new discoveries of Heidegger&#8217;s involvement with Nazism, which bothered some viewers as a smear, but to me it&#8217;s still essential, given Heidegger&#8217;s position as an ultimate philosopher discoursing on what it is to be an authentic human being.</p>
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