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		By: Julie near Chicago		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/22/a-small-detail-the-times-left-out-of-the-1619-project/#comment-2453005</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Julie near Chicago]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 21:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t know if this is the video you had in mind, Neo, but it&#039;s from Aug. 21, with Miss Ingraham and Mr. D&#039;Souza on the Unspeakable Project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiFNnSILFiI]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if this is the video you had in mind, Neo, but it&#8217;s from Aug. 21, with Miss Ingraham and Mr. D&#8217;Souza on the Unspeakable Project.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiFNnSILFiI" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiFNnSILFiI</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/22/a-small-detail-the-times-left-out-of-the-1619-project/#comment-2452946</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 15:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Manju:

Your example was an irrelevant one, as I said.  It doesn&#039;t address the point.

This entire post is a report by me on what Dinesh D&#039;Souza said was in it or not in it, coupled with other summaries I&#039;ve read about it.  The reason I tried so hard to get the D&#039;Souza video into the post was that it provided the documentation on the &lt;i&gt;Times&#039;&lt;/i&gt; 1619 Project&#039;s recent publication and what it said and didn&#039;t say.  You or anyone else are perfectly free to criticize D&#039;Souza&#039;s analysis and statements and provide examples of how the &lt;i&gt;Times&lt;/i&gt; discussed &quot;the fact that the Democrats were the party of slavery as well as the party of Jim Crow and segregation, and the Republicans were the anti-slavery party.&quot;  It is an extremely salient fact and should have been a major focus of the 1619 Project.  You have failed to provide a counter to D&#039;Souza&#039;s contention that it wasn&#039;t dealt with.  That doesn&#039;t mean what he says can&#039;t be countered, but it does mean that you have failed to do so.

The Democrats were the party of slavery, both before the Civil War and after.  The Republicans were the anti-slavery party. It&#039;s not just a moment or a few years that this was true.  It was true for a long, long, long time.  That fact is virtually ignored by the MSM in general and/or even distorted at times, so much so that when you say to most people that the Democrats were the party of slavery and the GOP the anti-slavery party they think you are lying or mistaken.  I have had that happen to me several times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manju:</p>
<p>Your example was an irrelevant one, as I said.  It doesn&#8217;t address the point.</p>
<p>This entire post is a report by me on what Dinesh D&#8217;Souza said was in it or not in it, coupled with other summaries I&#8217;ve read about it.  The reason I tried so hard to get the D&#8217;Souza video into the post was that it provided the documentation on the <i>Times&#8217;</i> 1619 Project&#8217;s recent publication and what it said and didn&#8217;t say.  You or anyone else are perfectly free to criticize D&#8217;Souza&#8217;s analysis and statements and provide examples of how the <i>Times</i> discussed &#8220;the fact that the Democrats were the party of slavery as well as the party of Jim Crow and segregation, and the Republicans were the anti-slavery party.&#8221;  It is an extremely salient fact and should have been a major focus of the 1619 Project.  You have failed to provide a counter to D&#8217;Souza&#8217;s contention that it wasn&#8217;t dealt with.  That doesn&#8217;t mean what he says can&#8217;t be countered, but it does mean that you have failed to do so.</p>
<p>The Democrats were the party of slavery, both before the Civil War and after.  The Republicans were the anti-slavery party. It&#8217;s not just a moment or a few years that this was true.  It was true for a long, long, long time.  That fact is virtually ignored by the MSM in general and/or even distorted at times, so much so that when you say to most people that the Democrats were the party of slavery and the GOP the anti-slavery party they think you are lying or mistaken.  I have had that happen to me several times.</p>
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		By: Manju		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 08:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;there should be a lot of not just cryptic “mention” in a sentence like you offer, &lt;/blockquote&gt;Neo, when the author writes; “These black officials joined with white Republicans, some of whom came down from the North, to write the most egalitarian state constitutions the South had ever seen” she is indeed referencing the fact that &quot;the Republicans were the anti-slavery party.”

As to why there aren&#039;t more references. I don&#039;t know if there aren&#039;t. This is only the first installment. And I only read the first article in  the first installment. I don&#039;t know what in the rest and it doesn&#039;t appear that you do either.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>there should be a lot of not just cryptic “mention” in a sentence like you offer, </p></blockquote>
<p>Neo, when the author writes; “These black officials joined with white Republicans, some of whom came down from the North, to write the most egalitarian state constitutions the South had ever seen” she is indeed referencing the fact that &#8220;the Republicans were the anti-slavery party.”</p>
<p>As to why there aren&#8217;t more references. I don&#8217;t know if there aren&#8217;t. This is only the first installment. And I only read the first article in  the first installment. I don&#8217;t know what in the rest and it doesn&#8217;t appear that you do either.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/22/a-small-detail-the-times-left-out-of-the-1619-project/#comment-2452903</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 04:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oops - bolding fail.
Where is EDIT when you need it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops &#8211; bolding fail.<br />
Where is EDIT when you need it?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2019 04:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[(slightly edited, as the posted lyrics did not match the rhyme scheme Lehrer, ahem, invented)

Tom Lehrer - We Will All Go Together When We Go - with intro ...
https://www.youtube.com › watch
Lyrics
&lt;b&gt;I am reminded at this point of a fellow I used to know
whose name was Henry, only to give you an idea of what
a individualist he was, he spelled it H-E-N-3-R-Y –
the three was silent, you see.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;b&gt;
Henry was financially independent, having inherited his
father&#039;s tar-and-feather business, and was therefore
able to devote his full time to such intellectual pursuits
as writing. I particularly remember a heartwarming novel
of his about a young necrophiliac who finally achieved his
boyhood ambition by becoming coroner... (The rest of you
can look it up when you get home.)

In addition to writing, he indulged in a good deal of
philosophizing. Like so many contemporary philosophers, he
especially enjoyed giving helpful advice to people who were
happier than he was. And one particular bit of advice which
I recall – which is the reason I bring up this whole dreary
story – is something he said once, before they took him away
to the &quot;Massachusetts State Home for the Bewildered&quot;.

He said: &quot;Life is like a sewer – what you get out of it depends
on what you put into it.&quot; It&#039;s always seemed to me that this
is precisely the sort of dynamic, positive thinking that we so
desperately need today in these trying times of crisis and
universal brouhaha. And so with this in mind, I have here a
modern, positive, dynamic, uplifting song, in the tradition
of the great old revival hymns. This one might more accurately
be termed a survival hymn. It goes like this:

When you attend a funeral
It is sad to think that sooner o&#039; L-
ater those you love will do the same for you
And you may have thought it tragic
Not to mention other adject-
ives, to think of all the weeping they will do
(But don&#039;t you worry.)

No more ashes, no more sackcloth
And an armband made of black cloth
Will some day never more adorn a sleeve
For if the bomb that drops on you
Gets your friends and neighbors too
There&#039;ll be nobody left behind to grieve

And we will all go together when we go
What a comforting fact that is to know
Universal bereavement
An inspiring achievement
Yes, we all will go together when we go

We will all go together when we go
All suffuse with an incandescent glow
No one will have the endurance
To collect on his insurance
Lloyd&#039;s of London will be loaded when they go.

Oh we will all fry together when we fry
We&#039;ll be french fried potatoes by and by
There will be no more misery
When the world is our rotisserie
Yes, we will all fry together when we fry
(tune change)
Down by the old maelstrom
There&#039;ll be a storm before the calm
(back to main tune)
And we will all bake together when we bake
There&#039;ll be nobody present at the wake
With complete participation
In that grand incineration
Nearly three billion hunks of well-done steak

Oh we will all char together when we char
And let there be no moaning of the bar
Just sing out a Te Deum
When you see that I.C.B.M.
And the party will be &quot;come-as-you-are.&quot;

Oh we will all burn together when we burn
There&#039;ll be no need to stand and wait your turn
When it&#039;s time for the fallout
And Saint Peter calls us all out
We&#039;ll just drop our agendas and adjourn.

(semi-chant)
You will all go directly to your respective Valhallas
Go directly, do not pass Go, do not collect two hundred dolla&#039;s

And we will all go together when we go
Ev&#039;ry Hottenhot an&#039; ev&#039;ry Eskimo
When the air becomes uranious
And we will all go simultaneous
Yes we all will go together
When we all go together
Yes, we all will go together when we go.

Source: Musixmatch
Songwriters: Tom Lehrer&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(slightly edited, as the posted lyrics did not match the rhyme scheme Lehrer, ahem, invented)</p>
<p>Tom Lehrer &#8211; We Will All Go Together When We Go &#8211; with intro &#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com</a> › watch<br />
Lyrics<br />
<b>I am reminded at this point of a fellow I used to know<br />
whose name was Henry, only to give you an idea of what<br />
a individualist he was, he spelled it H-E-N-3-R-Y –<br />
the three was silent, you see.</b><b><br />
Henry was financially independent, having inherited his<br />
father&#8217;s tar-and-feather business, and was therefore<br />
able to devote his full time to such intellectual pursuits<br />
as writing. I particularly remember a heartwarming novel<br />
of his about a young necrophiliac who finally achieved his<br />
boyhood ambition by becoming coroner&#8230; (The rest of you<br />
can look it up when you get home.)</p>
<p>In addition to writing, he indulged in a good deal of<br />
philosophizing. Like so many contemporary philosophers, he<br />
especially enjoyed giving helpful advice to people who were<br />
happier than he was. And one particular bit of advice which<br />
I recall – which is the reason I bring up this whole dreary<br />
story – is something he said once, before they took him away<br />
to the &#8220;Massachusetts State Home for the Bewildered&#8221;.</p>
<p>He said: &#8220;Life is like a sewer – what you get out of it depends<br />
on what you put into it.&#8221; It&#8217;s always seemed to me that this<br />
is precisely the sort of dynamic, positive thinking that we so<br />
desperately need today in these trying times of crisis and<br />
universal brouhaha. And so with this in mind, I have here a<br />
modern, positive, dynamic, uplifting song, in the tradition<br />
of the great old revival hymns. This one might more accurately<br />
be termed a survival hymn. It goes like this:</p>
<p>When you attend a funeral<br />
It is sad to think that sooner o&#8217; L-<br />
ater those you love will do the same for you<br />
And you may have thought it tragic<br />
Not to mention other adject-<br />
ives, to think of all the weeping they will do<br />
(But don&#8217;t you worry.)</p>
<p>No more ashes, no more sackcloth<br />
And an armband made of black cloth<br />
Will some day never more adorn a sleeve<br />
For if the bomb that drops on you<br />
Gets your friends and neighbors too<br />
There&#8217;ll be nobody left behind to grieve</p>
<p>And we will all go together when we go<br />
What a comforting fact that is to know<br />
Universal bereavement<br />
An inspiring achievement<br />
Yes, we all will go together when we go</p>
<p>We will all go together when we go<br />
All suffuse with an incandescent glow<br />
No one will have the endurance<br />
To collect on his insurance<br />
Lloyd&#8217;s of London will be loaded when they go.</p>
<p>Oh we will all fry together when we fry<br />
We&#8217;ll be french fried potatoes by and by<br />
There will be no more misery<br />
When the world is our rotisserie<br />
Yes, we will all fry together when we fry<br />
(tune change)<br />
Down by the old maelstrom<br />
There&#8217;ll be a storm before the calm<br />
(back to main tune)<br />
And we will all bake together when we bake<br />
There&#8217;ll be nobody present at the wake<br />
With complete participation<br />
In that grand incineration<br />
Nearly three billion hunks of well-done steak</p>
<p>Oh we will all char together when we char<br />
And let there be no moaning of the bar<br />
Just sing out a Te Deum<br />
When you see that I.C.B.M.<br />
And the party will be &#8220;come-as-you-are.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh we will all burn together when we burn<br />
There&#8217;ll be no need to stand and wait your turn<br />
When it&#8217;s time for the fallout<br />
And Saint Peter calls us all out<br />
We&#8217;ll just drop our agendas and adjourn.</p>
<p>(semi-chant)<br />
You will all go directly to your respective Valhallas<br />
Go directly, do not pass Go, do not collect two hundred dolla&#8217;s</p>
<p>And we will all go together when we go<br />
Ev&#8217;ry Hottenhot an&#8217; ev&#8217;ry Eskimo<br />
When the air becomes uranious<br />
And we will all go simultaneous<br />
Yes we all will go together<br />
When we all go together<br />
Yes, we all will go together when we go.</p>
<p>Source: Musixmatch<br />
Songwriters: Tom Lehrer</b></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 19:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW:

Actually, I think the main function is to keep people busy answering and answering, and re-inventing the wheel over and over, which is distracting and time-consuming and often frustrating for people to do.

But I think it can be clarifying and edifying to have someone like Manju here.  It keeps people on their toes and also instructs on the latest leftist talking points, hot off the press as it were.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW:</p>
<p>Actually, I think the main function is to keep people busy answering and answering, and re-inventing the wheel over and over, which is distracting and time-consuming and often frustrating for people to do.</p>
<p>But I think it can be clarifying and edifying to have someone like Manju here.  It keeps people on their toes and also instructs on the latest leftist talking points, hot off the press as it were.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 19:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That said, I&#039;d recommend that you continue to let Manju comment. You don&#039;t want an echo chamber, and the prospect of getting a leftist here who will debate fundamental anthropological issues and overtly try to establish its claims to your life and energies, is nil anyway.

It&#039;s not how they work in the big scheme of things as many of them have themselves noted repeatedly. They do not engage that way because 1., Their conclusions cannot be defended as entailed from premisses which are themselves indubitable (Rorty&#039;s admission) ; and 2, to debate an opponent is to dignify that opponent as someone with a position that deserves to be heard out. That kind of tolerance has no place in the matured leftist scheme of things.(Marcuse)

Thus, hit and run, and make you do the work of chasing links and arguing with insinuations. A strategy not intended to resolve an issue, but to discredit an opponent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That said, I&#8217;d recommend that you continue to let Manju comment. You don&#8217;t want an echo chamber, and the prospect of getting a leftist here who will debate fundamental anthropological issues and overtly try to establish its claims to your life and energies, is nil anyway.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not how they work in the big scheme of things as many of them have themselves noted repeatedly. They do not engage that way because 1., Their conclusions cannot be defended as entailed from premisses which are themselves indubitable (Rorty&#8217;s admission) ; and 2, to debate an opponent is to dignify that opponent as someone with a position that deserves to be heard out. That kind of tolerance has no place in the matured leftist scheme of things.(Marcuse)</p>
<p>Thus, hit and run, and make you do the work of chasing links and arguing with insinuations. A strategy not intended to resolve an issue, but to discredit an opponent.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 19:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW:

As I said, whatever they pay Manju (including nothing), it&#039;s too much.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW:</p>
<p>As I said, whatever they pay Manju (including nothing), it&#8217;s too much.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 19:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;What’s more, do you really not understand that in a huge lengthy multi-faceted treatment of the influence of slavery and discrimination against black people in the US, there should be a lot of not just cryptic “mention” in a sentence like you offer ...&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The mention, the arch insinuation, and what&#039;s contentiously left unsaid, is bait; meant to provoke a bite, not a real debate.

That&#039;s why it&#039;s called trolling. 

You can only use a troll for your own ends, to make your own point. You cannot talk to one as if it is a real person, much less as a worthy peer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;What’s more, do you really not understand that in a huge lengthy multi-faceted treatment of the influence of slavery and discrimination against black people in the US, there should be a lot of not just cryptic “mention” in a sentence like you offer &#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>The mention, the arch insinuation, and what&#8217;s contentiously left unsaid, is bait; meant to provoke a bite, not a real debate.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s called trolling. </p>
<p>You can only use a troll for your own ends, to make your own point. You cannot talk to one as if it is a real person, much less as a worthy peer.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2019 16:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Manju:

The jury is still out on whether you&#039;re really as dense as you seem.  

You response is laughable.  A person has to have a lot of extra knowledge to figure out what you describe here.  What&#039;s more, do you really not understand that in a huge lengthy multi-faceted treatment of the influence of slavery and discrimination against black people in the US, there should be a lot of not just cryptic &quot;mention&quot; in a sentence like you offer, but discussion and presentation of (and I repeat myself) &quot;the fact that the Democrats were the party of slavery as well as the party of Jim Crow and segregation, and the Republicans were the anti-slavery party.&quot;

I repeat: whatever they pay you (even if it&#039;s nothing) they&#039;re not getting their money&#039;s worth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manju:</p>
<p>The jury is still out on whether you&#8217;re really as dense as you seem.  </p>
<p>You response is laughable.  A person has to have a lot of extra knowledge to figure out what you describe here.  What&#8217;s more, do you really not understand that in a huge lengthy multi-faceted treatment of the influence of slavery and discrimination against black people in the US, there should be a lot of not just cryptic &#8220;mention&#8221; in a sentence like you offer, but discussion and presentation of (and I repeat myself) &#8220;the fact that the Democrats were the party of slavery as well as the party of Jim Crow and segregation, and the Republicans were the anti-slavery party.&#8221;</p>
<p>I repeat: whatever they pay you (even if it&#8217;s nothing) they&#8217;re not getting their money&#8217;s worth.</p>
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