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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; The name of the firm which designed the bridge is known (FIGG Bridge Engineers) as well as the name of the lead engineer on the project (W. Denney Pate). Guy has some miles on his odometer.&lt;/i&gt;

The female Engineer who bragged about designing this &quot;beautiful bridge&quot; has vanished.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> The name of the firm which designed the bridge is known (FIGG Bridge Engineers) as well as the name of the lead engineer on the project (W. Denney Pate). Guy has some miles on his odometer.</i></p>
<p>The female Engineer who bragged about designing this &#8220;beautiful bridge&#8221; has vanished.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2019 01:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pressthink has a long piece on this.  I made the point--didn&#039;t register--that the NYT was in the position of a movie character charging a door which is opened at just the moment of impact by a guy inside.  The character flies across the room ending up against the far wall amidst broken furniture.
So the collusion thing fell apart despite their best efforts to report on and inflate a hoax.  Their response; we need a new hoax.
If you read Rosen&#039;s article and the responses, the tell is the number of times the words &quot;racist&quot; and &quot;racism&quot; are used.  Far too often.  If it were a valid accusation, the words could be profitably used far less often. Instead, the pixels/letters/keystrokes are slathered on in order to impose by repetition a subliminal belief in the reader.
IOW, they know they have nothing.
But they&#039;re going to lie.  And they know they&#039;re going to lie.  And they don&#039;t care who knows they&#039;re lying.  And the commenters don&#039;t care.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pressthink has a long piece on this.  I made the point&#8211;didn&#8217;t register&#8211;that the NYT was in the position of a movie character charging a door which is opened at just the moment of impact by a guy inside.  The character flies across the room ending up against the far wall amidst broken furniture.<br />
So the collusion thing fell apart despite their best efforts to report on and inflate a hoax.  Their response; we need a new hoax.<br />
If you read Rosen&#8217;s article and the responses, the tell is the number of times the words &#8220;racist&#8221; and &#8220;racism&#8221; are used.  Far too often.  If it were a valid accusation, the words could be profitably used far less often. Instead, the pixels/letters/keystrokes are slathered on in order to impose by repetition a subliminal belief in the reader.<br />
IOW, they know they have nothing.<br />
But they&#8217;re going to lie.  And they know they&#8217;re going to lie.  And they don&#8217;t care who knows they&#8217;re lying.  And the commenters don&#8217;t care.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 18:36:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;We now have departments of “Engineering Education” in good Engineering schools like Purdue. The department chair does not have an Engineering education, as one might expect, &lt;/i&gt;

It looks like a BS program run by teachers&#039; college faculty.  NB the &lt;i&gt;Digest of Education Statistics&lt;/i&gt; reports 106,000 baccalaureate degrees in engineering were awarded in 2017 and 17,000 in engineering technology.  It reports no degrees awarded  in &#039;engineering education&#039; or anything similar.  About 1,500 degrees in 
&#039;engineering, other&#039; and &#039;engineering technology, other&#039; were awarded, so maybe it&#039;s a subset of the miscelland.  


&lt;i&gt;NASA does not have a successful mission in 50 years but spends it budget. &lt;/i&gt;

?


&lt;i&gt;Bridges that are “beautiful” fall down and kill people but there is no public investigation. &lt;/i&gt;

The National Transportation Safety Board did investigate and produced a report.  Litigation is also ongoing and one of the contractors has been through Chapter 11.    The name of the firm which designed the bridge is known (FIGG Bridge Engineers) as well as the name of the lead engineer on the project (W. Denney Pate).  Guy has some miles on his odometer.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/denney-denny-pate-figg-florida-fiu-bridge-collapse/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We now have departments of “Engineering Education” in good Engineering schools like Purdue. The department chair does not have an Engineering education, as one might expect, </i></p>
<p>It looks like a BS program run by teachers&#8217; college faculty.  NB the <i>Digest of Education Statistics</i> reports 106,000 baccalaureate degrees in engineering were awarded in 2017 and 17,000 in engineering technology.  It reports no degrees awarded  in &#8216;engineering education&#8217; or anything similar.  About 1,500 degrees in<br />
&#8216;engineering, other&#8217; and &#8216;engineering technology, other&#8217; were awarded, so maybe it&#8217;s a subset of the miscelland.  </p>
<p><i>NASA does not have a successful mission in 50 years but spends it budget. </i></p>
<p>?</p>
<p><i>Bridges that are “beautiful” fall down and kill people but there is no public investigation. </i></p>
<p>The National Transportation Safety Board did investigate and produced a report.  Litigation is also ongoing and one of the contractors has been through Chapter 11.    The name of the firm which designed the bridge is known (FIGG Bridge Engineers) as well as the name of the lead engineer on the project (W. Denney Pate).  Guy has some miles on his odometer.</p>
<p><a href="https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/denney-denny-pate-figg-florida-fiu-bridge-collapse/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/denney-denny-pate-figg-florida-fiu-bridge-collapse/</a></p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 18:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;We now have departments of “Engineering Education” in good Engineering schools like Purdue. The department chair does not have an Engineering education, as one might expect, &lt;/i&gt;

It looks like a BS program run by teachers&#039; college faculty.  NB the &lt;i&gt;Digest of Education Statistics reports 106,000 baccalaureate degrees in engineering were awarded in 2017 and 17,000 in engineering technology.  It reports no degrees awarded  in &#039;engineering education&#039; or anything similar.  About 1,500 degrees in 
&#039;engineering, other&#039; and &#039;engineering technology, other&#039; were awarded, so maybe it&#039;s a subset of the miscellandy.  


&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;NASA does not have a successful mission in 50 years but spends it budget. &lt;/i&gt;

?


&lt;i&gt;Bridges that are “beautiful” fall down and kill people but there is no public investigation. &lt;/i&gt;

The National Transportation Safety Board did investigate and produced a report.  Litigation is also ongoing and one of the contractors has been through Chapter 11.    The name of the firm which designed the bridge is known (FIGG Bridge Engineers) as well as the name of the lead engineer on the project (W. Denney Pate).  Guy has some miles on his odometer.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/denney-denny-pate-figg-florida-fiu-bridge-collapse/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We now have departments of “Engineering Education” in good Engineering schools like Purdue. The department chair does not have an Engineering education, as one might expect, </i></p>
<p>It looks like a BS program run by teachers&#8217; college faculty.  NB the <i>Digest of Education Statistics reports 106,000 baccalaureate degrees in engineering were awarded in 2017 and 17,000 in engineering technology.  It reports no degrees awarded  in &#8216;engineering education&#8217; or anything similar.  About 1,500 degrees in<br />
&#8216;engineering, other&#8217; and &#8216;engineering technology, other&#8217; were awarded, so maybe it&#8217;s a subset of the miscellandy.  </p>
<p></i><i>NASA does not have a successful mission in 50 years but spends it budget. </i></p>
<p>?</p>
<p><i>Bridges that are “beautiful” fall down and kill people but there is no public investigation. </i></p>
<p>The National Transportation Safety Board did investigate and produced a report.  Litigation is also ongoing and one of the contractors has been through Chapter 11.    The name of the firm which designed the bridge is known (FIGG Bridge Engineers) as well as the name of the lead engineer on the project (W. Denney Pate).  Guy has some miles on his odometer.</p>
<p><a href="https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/denney-denny-pate-figg-florida-fiu-bridge-collapse/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://heavy.com/news/2018/03/denney-denny-pate-figg-florida-fiu-bridge-collapse/</a></p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Then &quot;1619 Project&quot; is to be incorporated in school children&#039;s history books. We now have departments of &quot;Engineering Education&quot; in good Engineering schools like Purdue. The department chair does not have an Engineering education, as one might expect,  This is a small part of the war on merit in this society. NASA does not have a successful mission in 50 years but spends it budget. Bridges that are &quot;beautiful&quot; fall down and kill people but there is no public investigation. Navy ships collide and sailors die but the identities of the officers (Guess what sex.) remain secret for over a year while the male captain is dismissed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then &#8220;1619 Project&#8221; is to be incorporated in school children&#8217;s history books. We now have departments of &#8220;Engineering Education&#8221; in good Engineering schools like Purdue. The department chair does not have an Engineering education, as one might expect,  This is a small part of the war on merit in this society. NASA does not have a successful mission in 50 years but spends it budget. Bridges that are &#8220;beautiful&#8221; fall down and kill people but there is no public investigation. Navy ships collide and sailors die but the identities of the officers (Guess what sex.) remain secret for over a year while the male captain is dismissed.</p>
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		By: Amadeus 48		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amadeus 48]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 04:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Furthermore, there are lots of ways that an intelligent news organization could explore the controversial aspects of the Trump presidency without defaulting to &quot;Racist Orange Man Bad&quot;!
For instance, why can&#039;t anyone explore the consequences and performance of the essentially transactional nature of Trump&#039;s decisions? Is there really a strategy there, or is it just the thought that the USA is so strong that we can get a better deal in any bilateral negotiation? And what does Trump think is a &quot;better deal&quot;? What does he mean when he says &quot;we lost money in China&quot; when we entered into voluntary transactions in which we got things we wanted? Are tariffs a good way to resolve disputes about theft of intellectual property? Will the USA or the world be better off with China hurt, angry, and desperate? Will the US consumer end up paying for all the interventions by the US government into voluntary international trade transactions?
These are all questions that could be probed with outcomes favorable to Trump very much in doubt. But even if Trump emerges on the winning side of such arguments, the discussion would be worth having, because it would bring clarity.
Are there any intelligent news organizations left? The NYT certainly has a case of the dumb-dumbs, but maybe they always did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Furthermore, there are lots of ways that an intelligent news organization could explore the controversial aspects of the Trump presidency without defaulting to &#8220;Racist Orange Man Bad&#8221;!<br />
For instance, why can&#8217;t anyone explore the consequences and performance of the essentially transactional nature of Trump&#8217;s decisions? Is there really a strategy there, or is it just the thought that the USA is so strong that we can get a better deal in any bilateral negotiation? And what does Trump think is a &#8220;better deal&#8221;? What does he mean when he says &#8220;we lost money in China&#8221; when we entered into voluntary transactions in which we got things we wanted? Are tariffs a good way to resolve disputes about theft of intellectual property? Will the USA or the world be better off with China hurt, angry, and desperate? Will the US consumer end up paying for all the interventions by the US government into voluntary international trade transactions?<br />
These are all questions that could be probed with outcomes favorable to Trump very much in doubt. But even if Trump emerges on the winning side of such arguments, the discussion would be worth having, because it would bring clarity.<br />
Are there any intelligent news organizations left? The NYT certainly has a case of the dumb-dumbs, but maybe they always did.</p>
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		By: Amadeus 48		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amadeus 48]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 04:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This all gets down to NYT&#039;s execution of its &quot;powerful history of adversarial journalism&quot;. They saw nothing to be adversarial about during the Obama years. They see nothing wrong with the inanity and insanity being spouted by the Democratic presidential field. In other words, they are Pravda for Democrats. In the NYT&#039;s view, the home team always wins or its opponents cheat. The refs stole the game. The umpire is blind. Chamberlain stuck his eye in Russell&#039;s elbow.*
OK. The NYT can be whatever its ownership wants it to be. Just don&#039;t tell me they are still doing great journalism, because they aren&#039;t. They are propagandists of the first order. They are lick-spittles of the Democrat Party, which is having a breakdown over Donald Trump.
*Classical reference. See Johnny Most, radio man for the Boston Celtics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all gets down to NYT&#8217;s execution of its &#8220;powerful history of adversarial journalism&#8221;. They saw nothing to be adversarial about during the Obama years. They see nothing wrong with the inanity and insanity being spouted by the Democratic presidential field. In other words, they are Pravda for Democrats. In the NYT&#8217;s view, the home team always wins or its opponents cheat. The refs stole the game. The umpire is blind. Chamberlain stuck his eye in Russell&#8217;s elbow.*<br />
OK. The NYT can be whatever its ownership wants it to be. Just don&#8217;t tell me they are still doing great journalism, because they aren&#8217;t. They are propagandists of the first order. They are lick-spittles of the Democrat Party, which is having a breakdown over Donald Trump.<br />
*Classical reference. See Johnny Most, radio man for the Boston Celtics.</p>
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		By: Mary Catelli		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Catelli]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 03:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is the paper of Walter Duranty.  There is literally nothing it will not do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the paper of Walter Duranty.  There is literally nothing it will not do.</p>
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		By: Yankee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yankee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 00:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s also the forthcoming 1619 Project, which is all about the legacy of slavery in America.  As far as I can tell, it&#039;s just more bad history combined with an anti-white bias, because it&#039;s more important nowadays to have the right feelings than to think about how people really lived, and why they acted as they did.

Besides, everyone knows the first slave in America was actually Cabeza de Vaca, who as one of the very few survivors of the Narvaez expedition was taken captive by Indians (sorry, I mean Native Americans, or First Peoples) in what is now the state of Texas.  This was in 1527, and after years of wandering and suffering, acting as a medicine man and holy pilgrim, he made his way back to Spanish Mexico in 1536.

Fortunately, he was able to return to Spain, and write a very engaging account of his travels and what he saw along the way.  So take that New York Times, as Cabeza de Vaca has 92 years of precedence and a far better story to tell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also the forthcoming 1619 Project, which is all about the legacy of slavery in America.  As far as I can tell, it&#8217;s just more bad history combined with an anti-white bias, because it&#8217;s more important nowadays to have the right feelings than to think about how people really lived, and why they acted as they did.</p>
<p>Besides, everyone knows the first slave in America was actually Cabeza de Vaca, who as one of the very few survivors of the Narvaez expedition was taken captive by Indians (sorry, I mean Native Americans, or First Peoples) in what is now the state of Texas.  This was in 1527, and after years of wandering and suffering, acting as a medicine man and holy pilgrim, he made his way back to Spanish Mexico in 1536.</p>
<p>Fortunately, he was able to return to Spain, and write a very engaging account of his travels and what he saw along the way.  So take that New York Times, as Cabeza de Vaca has 92 years of precedence and a far better story to tell.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 22:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;One way of looking at this process of attack, subversion, destruction, devolution, and replacement/parasitization is to view it as the process of turning what used to be our almost uniquely successful “high-trust” culture–particularly here in the U.S. –into the type of “low-trust,” much less successful culture that prevails in most of the world.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Snow on Pine 

&lt;i&gt;‘America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.’&lt;/i&gt; Abraham Lincoln 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The NYT is no longer a serious newspaper; it is a propaganda rag.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Cornhead

Arguably, it hasn&#039;t been a serious newspaper since the 30s. If by serious... you mean objective.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The Democratic Party is now a weird socio-political cult, mostly devoted to contriving insults and harassment directed at disfavored social strata.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Art Deco 

That&#039;s true of liberals and of true believer leftists. Not of hard core leftists of the &#039;Stalinist&#039; persuasion. Does anyone imagine that strident American femi-nazis are actually unaware of their ignoring the treatment of women in the Muslim world? 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Where it really goes off the rails is the readership which is apparently too sheltered to recognize propaganda when they see it. Or, they only want to read propaganda. Either way they’re not what we would call “informed” in the true sense of the word.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Jeff Brokaw

The indoctrinated are only interested in what they want to hear, the ideology they&#039;ve embraced shelters them from all that contradicts that ideology. The primary difference between indoctrination and an informed education may be that indoctrination purports to have attained all truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;One way of looking at this process of attack, subversion, destruction, devolution, and replacement/parasitization is to view it as the process of turning what used to be our almost uniquely successful “high-trust” culture–particularly here in the U.S. –into the type of “low-trust,” much less successful culture that prevails in most of the world.&#8221;</i> Snow on Pine </p>
<p><i>‘America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.’</i> Abraham Lincoln </p>
<p><i>&#8220;The NYT is no longer a serious newspaper; it is a propaganda rag.&#8221;</i> Cornhead</p>
<p>Arguably, it hasn&#8217;t been a serious newspaper since the 30s. If by serious&#8230; you mean objective.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The Democratic Party is now a weird socio-political cult, mostly devoted to contriving insults and harassment directed at disfavored social strata.&#8221;</i> Art Deco </p>
<p>That&#8217;s true of liberals and of true believer leftists. Not of hard core leftists of the &#8216;Stalinist&#8217; persuasion. Does anyone imagine that strident American femi-nazis are actually unaware of their ignoring the treatment of women in the Muslim world? </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Where it really goes off the rails is the readership which is apparently too sheltered to recognize propaganda when they see it. Or, they only want to read propaganda. Either way they’re not what we would call “informed” in the true sense of the word.&#8221;</i> Jeff Brokaw</p>
<p>The indoctrinated are only interested in what they want to hear, the ideology they&#8217;ve embraced shelters them from all that contradicts that ideology. The primary difference between indoctrination and an informed education may be that indoctrination purports to have attained all truth.</p>
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