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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/15/the-broken-neck-bone-adds-to-the-suspicions/#comment-2451624</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve A.:

I keep pointing out---and I will point out again here---that we don&#039;t know what Epstein&#039;s injuries were.  We only know leaked anonymous reports---actually, unless I&#039;m mistaken, one report in the &lt;i&gt;WaPo&lt;/i&gt;.

I certainly am not familiar with &quot;Official Drop&quot; figures, but it seems to me from what you wrote that those figures are what is required to &lt;i&gt;reliably and almost certainly&lt;/i&gt; produce a broken neck bone of some sort.  With Epstein one only needs forces that &lt;i&gt;possibly&lt;/i&gt; produce a broken neck bone (plus, of course, we need to get official word that his neck bone was broken).  The studies I have read---and I have read many, and quoted them in comments and other posts---say it is possible to break a bone in any hanging or any strangulation, and it is even more common in an elderly male such as Epstein.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve A.:</p>
<p>I keep pointing out&#8212;and I will point out again here&#8212;that we don&#8217;t know what Epstein&#8217;s injuries were.  We only know leaked anonymous reports&#8212;actually, unless I&#8217;m mistaken, one report in the <i>WaPo</i>.</p>
<p>I certainly am not familiar with &#8220;Official Drop&#8221; figures, but it seems to me from what you wrote that those figures are what is required to <i>reliably and almost certainly</i> produce a broken neck bone of some sort.  With Epstein one only needs forces that <i>possibly</i> produce a broken neck bone (plus, of course, we need to get official word that his neck bone was broken).  The studies I have read&#8212;and I have read many, and quoted them in comments and other posts&#8212;say it is possible to break a bone in any hanging or any strangulation, and it is even more common in an elderly male such as Epstein.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VI9mUyG_f0

Even better.]]></description>
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<p>Even better.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwiBvZIApig


&lt;i&gt;Soooo, if I were writing the TV-movie-of-the-week, this is my plot:&lt;/i&gt;

Ha ha ha. You&#039;re showing your vintage.  Any Millennials posting her will draw a blank.]]></description>
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<p><i>Soooo, if I were writing the TV-movie-of-the-week, this is my plot:</i></p>
<p>Ha ha ha. You&#8217;re showing your vintage.  Any Millennials posting her will draw a blank.</p>
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		By: Steve A.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/15/the-broken-neck-bone-adds-to-the-suspicions/#comment-2451618</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve A.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My son is a Sr. Fire Fighter / EMS with 14+ years exp. 
He has ran his fair share of deliberate, accidental and &quot;assisted&quot; (concealed murder) suicides by hanging.  We has jaile Cell Hangings and etc.. He pointed me to a several articles that call in to question the physical neck injuries given the circumstances Epstein in died under (jail cell).

&quot;Suspended by the neck, the weight of the body is used to tighten the noose around the trachea and neck structure causing strangulation and subsequently death. This typically takes between 10 and 20 minutes, with unconsciousness occurring within 6–15 seconds.&quot;     (-- where were the guards? --)

The length of drop needed to produce the injury would be about 6? 5½&quot; according to the 
&quot;Official Table of Drops&quot;, which is the official guide to conducting a proper hanging. A multiple broken bone neck hanging requires allowing 1,000 foot-pounds force (1,400 J) of drop energy - and then in 1939. 

(-- But in the jail cell can person get 6.5 ft of drop? even a Bunk bed is only 5ft at the high point and that would require the victim to be laying down on the upper bunk the bunk bolted to the floor and jump off curled up to get 4.5 feet at best or 2 feet short of what needed to break all the reported bones. --)

The NY DOJ has long been a suspected Coverup and Political Hit man office for the Democrats. Just look at the numerous times they have ran cover for the Democrats and gone politically after their political rivals. Many feel they are close to being another 9th circuit court like in California.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son is a Sr. Fire Fighter / EMS with 14+ years exp.<br />
He has ran his fair share of deliberate, accidental and &#8220;assisted&#8221; (concealed murder) suicides by hanging.  We has jaile Cell Hangings and etc.. He pointed me to a several articles that call in to question the physical neck injuries given the circumstances Epstein in died under (jail cell).</p>
<p>&#8220;Suspended by the neck, the weight of the body is used to tighten the noose around the trachea and neck structure causing strangulation and subsequently death. This typically takes between 10 and 20 minutes, with unconsciousness occurring within 6–15 seconds.&#8221;     (&#8211; where were the guards? &#8211;)</p>
<p>The length of drop needed to produce the injury would be about 6? 5½&#8221; according to the<br />
&#8220;Official Table of Drops&#8221;, which is the official guide to conducting a proper hanging. A multiple broken bone neck hanging requires allowing 1,000 foot-pounds force (1,400 J) of drop energy &#8211; and then in 1939. </p>
<p>(&#8211; But in the jail cell can person get 6.5 ft of drop? even a Bunk bed is only 5ft at the high point and that would require the victim to be laying down on the upper bunk the bunk bolted to the floor and jump off curled up to get 4.5 feet at best or 2 feet short of what needed to break all the reported bones. &#8211;)</p>
<p>The NY DOJ has long been a suspected Coverup and Political Hit man office for the Democrats. Just look at the numerous times they have ran cover for the Democrats and gone politically after their political rivals. Many feel they are close to being another 9th circuit court like in California.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/15/the-broken-neck-bone-adds-to-the-suspicions/#comment-2451346</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://ktul.com/news/nation-world/medical-examiner-rules-epsteins-death-a-suicide

&lt;blockquote&gt;NEW YORK (AP) — New York City&#039;s medical examiner ruled Jeffrey Epstein&#039;s death a suicide Friday, confirming after nearly a week of speculation that the financier faced with sex trafficking charges hanged himself in his jail cell.

Epstein, 66, was found dead at the Metropolitan Correctional Center on Aug. 10, touching off outrage that such a high-profile prisoner could have gone unwatched at the Manhattan federal lockup where infamous inmates Mexican drug lord Joaquin &quot;El Chapo&quot; Guzman and Wall Street swindler Bernard Madoff came and went without incident.

Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Barbara Sampson said in a statement that she made the suicide determination &quot;after careful review of all investigative information, including complete autopsy findings.&quot;

&lt;em&gt;Sampson&#039;s announcement came as a Justice Department official told The Associated Press that some prison staffers believed to have relevant information aren&#039;t cooperating with investigators.&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Epstein&#039;s lawyers said they were &quot;not satisfied&quot; with Sampson&#039;s conclusions and that they would conduct their own investigation,&lt;/b&gt; including seeking to obtain any video of the area around Epstein&#039;s cell from the time leading to his death.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be the same lawyers who asked the prison to take Epstein off of the suicide watch list.
And it&#039;s interesting how so many &quot;careful reviews of all available ... information&quot; don&#039;t actually include all the information that should be available.
Maybe the clue is &quot;investigative&quot; -- if you don&#039;t investigate it, it isn&#039;t available.]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>NEW YORK (AP) — New York City&#8217;s medical examiner ruled Jeffrey Epstein&#8217;s death a suicide Friday, confirming after nearly a week of speculation that the financier faced with sex trafficking charges hanged himself in his jail cell.</p>
<p>Epstein, 66, was found dead at the Metropolitan Correctional Center on Aug. 10, touching off outrage that such a high-profile prisoner could have gone unwatched at the Manhattan federal lockup where infamous inmates Mexican drug lord Joaquin &#8220;El Chapo&#8221; Guzman and Wall Street swindler Bernard Madoff came and went without incident.</p>
<p>Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Barbara Sampson said in a statement that she made the suicide determination &#8220;after careful review of all investigative information, including complete autopsy findings.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Sampson&#8217;s announcement came as a Justice Department official told The Associated Press that some prison staffers believed to have relevant information aren&#8217;t cooperating with investigators.</em></p>
<p><b>Epstein&#8217;s lawyers said they were &#8220;not satisfied&#8221; with Sampson&#8217;s conclusions and that they would conduct their own investigation,</b> including seeking to obtain any video of the area around Epstein&#8217;s cell from the time leading to his death.
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<p>That would be the same lawyers who asked the prison to take Epstein off of the suicide watch list.<br />
And it&#8217;s interesting how so many &#8220;careful reviews of all available &#8230; information&#8221; don&#8217;t actually include all the information that should be available.<br />
Maybe the clue is &#8220;investigative&#8221; &#8212; if you don&#8217;t investigate it, it isn&#8217;t available.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/15/the-broken-neck-bone-adds-to-the-suspicions/#comment-2451345</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/epstein_reportedly_spent_2_hours_locked_in_a_private_room_with_an_attractive_young_woman_the_day_after_suicide_watch_ended.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;Yet another ‘irregularity’ in the handling of Jeffrey Epstein that surely must be on AG Barr’s radar. Richard Behar reports at Forbes: (follow the link)
...
The young female has not been identified publicly, but I presume she must have had to show some identification to get into the facility. But then again, there may be another “irregularity” here. 
...
It’s pretty clear from his behavior that Epstein was compulsive about sex, so it is not that hard to believe that with his mysterious powers he was able to arrange for a conjugal visit, though finding a 14-year-old plausible as an attorney may have been beyond even his abilities to bend the rules.

But don&#039;t forget that you must be a paranoid conspiracy theorist to doubt the autopsy verdict of suicide. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>Yet another ‘irregularity’ in the handling of Jeffrey Epstein that surely must be on AG Barr’s radar. Richard Behar reports at Forbes: (follow the link)<br />
&#8230;<br />
The young female has not been identified publicly, but I presume she must have had to show some identification to get into the facility. But then again, there may be another “irregularity” here.<br />
&#8230;<br />
It’s pretty clear from his behavior that Epstein was compulsive about sex, so it is not that hard to believe that with his mysterious powers he was able to arrange for a conjugal visit, though finding a 14-year-old plausible as an attorney may have been beyond even his abilities to bend the rules.</p>
<p>But don&#8217;t forget that you must be a paranoid conspiracy theorist to doubt the autopsy verdict of suicide.
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/15/the-broken-neck-bone-adds-to-the-suspicions/#comment-2451343</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://libertyunyielding.com/2019/08/16/its-official-epstein-death-ruled-a-suicide/

&lt;blockquote&gt;[Ed. -Does anything really need to be said? We all know this thing stinks every which way – whether it was a suicide, or wasn’t.]
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<blockquote><p>[Ed. -Does anything really need to be said? We all know this thing stinks every which way – whether it was a suicide, or wasn’t.]
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/15/the-broken-neck-bone-adds-to-the-suspicions/#comment-2451342</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ilion, you watch too much TV !!

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/was_epstein_gal_pal_ghislaine_maxwell_really_trying_to_hide_at_that_innout.html

Monica Showalter thinks not:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I don&#039;t believe for one minute this woman was hiding -- actually, it sounds like she wanted to be found, and what she really wanted was to set up a &#039;narrative.&#039;

Los Angeles has more than three million people with countless upper class neighborhoods, and endless exclusive suburbs, any of which would have been easy for someone like Ghislaine Maxwell to hide in if that was what she really wanted to do. She goes to a celebrity In-N-Out on Cahuenga, sits in a public place outdoors where cameras can spot her, lets a pap take her pic, reads a book on CIA operatives (instead of fiddles with her cell phone like most people do), and then claims she was surprised to have been spotted and didn&#039;t want to be?

Oh, give us a break.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ilion, you watch too much TV !!</p>
<p><a href="https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/was_epstein_gal_pal_ghislaine_maxwell_really_trying_to_hide_at_that_innout.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/08/was_epstein_gal_pal_ghislaine_maxwell_really_trying_to_hide_at_that_innout.html</a></p>
<p>Monica Showalter thinks not:</p>
<blockquote><p>I don&#8217;t believe for one minute this woman was hiding &#8212; actually, it sounds like she wanted to be found, and what she really wanted was to set up a &#8216;narrative.&#8217;</p>
<p>Los Angeles has more than three million people with countless upper class neighborhoods, and endless exclusive suburbs, any of which would have been easy for someone like Ghislaine Maxwell to hide in if that was what she really wanted to do. She goes to a celebrity In-N-Out on Cahuenga, sits in a public place outdoors where cameras can spot her, lets a pap take her pic, reads a book on CIA operatives (instead of fiddles with her cell phone like most people do), and then claims she was surprised to have been spotted and didn&#8217;t want to be?</p>
<p>Oh, give us a break.
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		By: Ilion		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ilion]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 05:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;&lt;i&gt;It’s murder, or at least assisted suicide, but not by the parties generally under suspicion at this time.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Except that, these days, we all know to expect the plot to be written that way.  So, this time around, the plot is written straight-up. 

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>It’s murder, or at least assisted suicide, but not by the parties generally under suspicion at this time.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that, these days, we all know to expect the plot to be written that way.  So, this time around, the plot is written straight-up. </p>
<p>😉</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Aug 2019 02:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Soooo, if I were writing the TV-movie-of-the-week, this is my plot:

It&#039;s murder, or at least assisted suicide, but not by the parties generally under suspicion at this time.

Epstein has lots of powerful friends (or victims), and he skated before, so it is not improbable for his victims and their supporters to assume he will get another gentle slap on the wrist this time as well, possibly a little more onerous because of the publicity, but nothing approaching what he deserves.

Someone in that group has connections to, or at least knowledge of, what goes on at that prison; OR (even better) has a covert relationship with one of the Epstein lawyers who cancelled the suicide watch. (Note to legal beagles: this is a work of fiction; I don&#039;t even know who his lawyers are, except they don&#039;t include Dershowitz this time).

Connect the dots.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Soooo, if I were writing the TV-movie-of-the-week, this is my plot:</p>
<p>It&#8217;s murder, or at least assisted suicide, but not by the parties generally under suspicion at this time.</p>
<p>Epstein has lots of powerful friends (or victims), and he skated before, so it is not improbable for his victims and their supporters to assume he will get another gentle slap on the wrist this time as well, possibly a little more onerous because of the publicity, but nothing approaching what he deserves.</p>
<p>Someone in that group has connections to, or at least knowledge of, what goes on at that prison; OR (even better) has a covert relationship with one of the Epstein lawyers who cancelled the suicide watch. (Note to legal beagles: this is a work of fiction; I don&#8217;t even know who his lawyers are, except they don&#8217;t include Dershowitz this time).</p>
<p>Connect the dots.</p>
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