It is only “fair” (by media circus/culture war standards) that this word be used now, rather than a more obscure term.

The Rolling Stones song Stray Cat Blues: “Well I can see that you’re just 15 years old / No I don’t want no ID” moving on to “Bet your mama never saw you spread like that / Bet she never saw you scratch my back.” These lyrics delighted me when I was 12, 13 years old. This kind of thing was why the Stones were the bad boys and the Beatles were not.

well, before that came “Itty Bitty Pretty One”
done by Thurston Harris, Jackson 5, Franky lymon, and tons and tons of others…

Thurston Harris – Little Bitty Pretty One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8j4mn4eF-c

and if i remember correct, heddy ledbetters song “good night irene”

And i have noticed that lyrics on google are not original lyrics on both these songs!!! if you read the lyrics that come up crediting ledbelly… your missing the lines “I asked your mother for you”… the Weavers version has that cut out much like “coochi snorcher that could” is cut out of the monologues…

or did we forget the hebephilia in the feminist play before scrubbing and lots of explaining?

in the lyrics there is a stanza which illustrates the pre feminist time of led belly and how we watched over and protected with evil beneficial patriarchy..

I asked your mother for you
She tole me that you was too young
I wish to the good Lord that I’d never seen your face
I’m sorry that you ere were born

With oppressive momma, what would have happened?
by the way… how many of Epstein’s girls had oppressive parents that said no?

oh… and if Neo knows her classics.. (i like to think so)..
what painting is hanging in the lower levels of the Museum of Art in Manhattan?
they dont have it on the wall, but its in the compact study sections..
i cant remember the name, but it waxes and wanes in controversy [or had]

hey… maybe feminists there was a reason for the oppressive nature of things
ie. to insure the lady wasnt put upon and could learn, grow, and mature…

but hey… if a guy has sex when he is 14 and 15…
he becomes a hebephile if he doesnt learn to like older as he gets older..

but note… not long ago, the age in which hebephile is illegal wasnt illegal in the past or now in some countries…. and the illegality of homosexuality is no more, though its illegal in some spaces…

now… if the two ‘kids’ were oppressed from having sex and imprinting
maybe we would have fewer of this, and fewer precocious women too

[who like in Nabokov book, learn they have a mysterious power no one will speak of before they will speak of it… and then deny it exists… ]

perhaps those old things when understood werent oppressions any more than cross at the green and not in between is… but hey, you have to have the long view and the desire to know, and when your remodeling society and people, you just demolish and throw it out.

Yeah, I judged him then.

I made it quite explicit that using the correct terms does not lessen the offense. It merely describes it more accurately.

And you are not describing what he did accurately, either. Epstein did not merely “have sex with underage girls.” He paid them, and he pimped them to others as well.

Led Zeppelin’s Jimmy Page famously was “in love” (or whatever) with a beautiful 15 year old groupie in LA. All the rock bands had young groupies who threw themselves at musicians not only in the 60s and 70s but forever.

So this is the culture. Brooke Shields in the movie Pretty Baby as a 13 year old prostitute in New Orleans. Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver.

Powerful rich males aren’t interested in having a meaningful conversation with a sex object. (Or: some of them aren’t.)

Jerry Lee Lewis married a 13 year old, whose name I believe was Myra.

We don’t even want to know what’s gone on with gangsta rappers through the years.

Jeffrey Epstein was far from unique.

Didn’t Moore marry one of the young women in whom he was interested … and *stay* married to her, even decades after she was no longer 16?