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		By: stan Brown		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/12/epstein-suicide-murder-conspiracy/#comment-2450681</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The references to Epstein&#039;s Orgy Island have been around for a long time. The references to his plane being used for sex parties have been out there.  Hard to believe there isn&#039;t any truth to the claims.

Clinton reportedly went to the island repeatedly and rode on the plane often. Supposedly he ditched his Secret Service detail often to do so. 

We KNOW Clinton was a horndog (whose purpose in life appears to be to screw as many women as possible). We KNOW he ditched his Secret Service detail while president in order to have assignations with women.

Why wouldn&#039;t people think he went to the island and on the plane for sex? I would find a claim that he didn&#039;t to be much harder to believe. Heck, I would be shocked if he ever went anywhere on vacation without arrangements having been made to take care of his sexual desires.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The references to Epstein&#8217;s Orgy Island have been around for a long time. The references to his plane being used for sex parties have been out there.  Hard to believe there isn&#8217;t any truth to the claims.</p>
<p>Clinton reportedly went to the island repeatedly and rode on the plane often. Supposedly he ditched his Secret Service detail often to do so. </p>
<p>We KNOW Clinton was a horndog (whose purpose in life appears to be to screw as many women as possible). We KNOW he ditched his Secret Service detail while president in order to have assignations with women.</p>
<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t people think he went to the island and on the plane for sex? I would find a claim that he didn&#8217;t to be much harder to believe. Heck, I would be shocked if he ever went anywhere on vacation without arrangements having been made to take care of his sexual desires.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/12/epstein-suicide-murder-conspiracy/#comment-2450219</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco. But he was also proximate to a guy he wanted to shoot.  Which could only be done at one place at one time.  All of the other issues you mention could have happened at other places and other times.  So either he just got lucky--calculate that--or he had some inside information.


Neo. I saw the piece.  I&#039;m interested in the insider thing.  I knew guys like that in junior high.  The knowing sneer.  It occurs to me that a lot of it doesn&#039;t involve much research.  You find out what the ordinary people think and reverse it.  I suspect that a lot of the liberal, Zinnified, black-armband view of American history comes from that.  Gone around with a number of folks.  Got a couple of history teachers on their heels and they decided I must be a &quot;patriot&quot;.  IOW, not worthy of further time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco. But he was also proximate to a guy he wanted to shoot.  Which could only be done at one place at one time.  All of the other issues you mention could have happened at other places and other times.  So either he just got lucky&#8211;calculate that&#8211;or he had some inside information.</p>
<p>Neo. I saw the piece.  I&#8217;m interested in the insider thing.  I knew guys like that in junior high.  The knowing sneer.  It occurs to me that a lot of it doesn&#8217;t involve much research.  You find out what the ordinary people think and reverse it.  I suspect that a lot of the liberal, Zinnified, black-armband view of American history comes from that.  Gone around with a number of folks.  Got a couple of history teachers on their heels and they decided I must be a &#8220;patriot&#8221;.  IOW, not worthy of further time.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;and places put you moments away from Oswald’s walk to transport is the improbability. Hence suspicious.&lt;/i&gt;

There were dozens of little stories that day during that interval in time proximate to that post office.  A man leaving work early because he was fired from his job.  A couple having lunch at a diner, the wife telling the husband she wants a divorce.  A man with a headache feeling the earliest signs of a catastrophic stroke.  He was proximate to all of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>and places put you moments away from Oswald’s walk to transport is the improbability. Hence suspicious.</i></p>
<p>There were dozens of little stories that day during that interval in time proximate to that post office.  A man leaving work early because he was fired from his job.  A couple having lunch at a diner, the wife telling the husband she wants a divorce.  A man with a headache feeling the earliest signs of a catastrophic stroke.  He was proximate to all of them.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/12/epstein-suicide-murder-conspiracy/#comment-2450197</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey; Richard Saunders:

Did you see my comment &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2019/08/12/epstein-suicide-murder-conspiracy/#comment-2450146&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey; Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>Did you see my comment <a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2019/08/12/epstein-suicide-murder-conspiracy/#comment-2450146">here</a>?</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/12/epstein-suicide-murder-conspiracy/#comment-2450194</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco.  Missed the point. There&#039;s no suspicious in being at a bank buying a money order. You have to do it and you have to do it sometime and you have to do it someplace. Not suspicious at all.   But having all those have to dos and times and places put you moments away from Oswald&#039;s walk to transport is the improbability.  Hence suspicious.
As I say, enormously improbable or...Ruby knew from someplace what was going to happen and when.
People think conspiracies need to have vast numbers of people involved.  Big events must have big causes.  But this could have been done by one of Ruby&#039;s cop friends--he was reputedly a cop aficionado.  &quot;Man, I just want to see the son of a bitch.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco.  Missed the point. There&#8217;s no suspicious in being at a bank buying a money order. You have to do it and you have to do it sometime and you have to do it someplace. Not suspicious at all.   But having all those have to dos and times and places put you moments away from Oswald&#8217;s walk to transport is the improbability.  Hence suspicious.<br />
As I say, enormously improbable or&#8230;Ruby knew from someplace what was going to happen and when.<br />
People think conspiracies need to have vast numbers of people involved.  Big events must have big causes.  But this could have been done by one of Ruby&#8217;s cop friends&#8211;he was reputedly a cop aficionado.  &#8220;Man, I just want to see the son of a bitch.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/12/epstein-suicide-murder-conspiracy/#comment-2450189</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders.  Exactly.   Sometimes reality is so improbable that the saying which ends, &quot;and tell me it&#039;s raining&quot; is the only response.

However, wrt Epstein.  From what we know, he was not watched very carefully.  He should have been watched very carefully.  I don&#039;t think anybody would doubt that, given who he is and his baggage, going a step or two above the protocols in place would occur to whomever was in charge.  From current reports, that didn&#039;t happen, which is to generate whythehellnot.  And if it&#039;s correct that the protocols were followed more loosely than prescribed when everybody with half a brain in the place knew that, if you weren&#039;t going to more you sure weren&#039;t going to do less, then questions arise.
it could be that protocols as written were never followed and what we see is what happened every night, procedures manual notwithstanding.  But this is EPSTEIN, guys.  Hello?   Maybe there&#039;s somebody a couple of levels up who didn&#039;t have to actually do the work who might not mind going down there and suggesting the boys actually follow procedure.  You know.  Supervision.  Because this is EPSTEIN.
This is the dog which didn&#039;t bark.
Again, not taking sides but pointing out that what is needed for conspiracy theories is present here. Wasn&#039;t my idea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders.  Exactly.   Sometimes reality is so improbable that the saying which ends, &#8220;and tell me it&#8217;s raining&#8221; is the only response.</p>
<p>However, wrt Epstein.  From what we know, he was not watched very carefully.  He should have been watched very carefully.  I don&#8217;t think anybody would doubt that, given who he is and his baggage, going a step or two above the protocols in place would occur to whomever was in charge.  From current reports, that didn&#8217;t happen, which is to generate whythehellnot.  And if it&#8217;s correct that the protocols were followed more loosely than prescribed when everybody with half a brain in the place knew that, if you weren&#8217;t going to more you sure weren&#8217;t going to do less, then questions arise.<br />
it could be that protocols as written were never followed and what we see is what happened every night, procedures manual notwithstanding.  But this is EPSTEIN, guys.  Hello?   Maybe there&#8217;s somebody a couple of levels up who didn&#8217;t have to actually do the work who might not mind going down there and suggesting the boys actually follow procedure.  You know.  Supervision.  Because this is EPSTEIN.<br />
This is the dog which didn&#8217;t bark.<br />
Again, not taking sides but pointing out that what is needed for conspiracy theories is present here. Wasn&#8217;t my idea.</p>
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		By: Richard Saunders		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Saunders]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo -- I wasn&#039;t saying that Ruby&#039;s shooting of Oswald was the result of a conspiracy.  I agree that it was happenstance.  What I said was, the improbability of Ruby&#039;s appearing at that moment and shooting Oswald is so great that it gave rise to decades of conspiracy theories, as will Epstein&#039;s death.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo &#8212; I wasn&#8217;t saying that Ruby&#8217;s shooting of Oswald was the result of a conspiracy.  I agree that it was happenstance.  What I said was, the improbability of Ruby&#8217;s appearing at that moment and shooting Oswald is so great that it gave rise to decades of conspiracy theories, as will Epstein&#8217;s death.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco; Richard Saunders:

The probability that a particular individual will be born---the union of that egg and that sperm---is near zero.

And yet here we each are.

So the question being asked---will this particular person be born?---is the wrong one.  And most of the questions asked by JFK conspiracy theorists are the wrong ones, as well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco; Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>The probability that a particular individual will be born&#8212;the union of that egg and that sperm&#8212;is near zero.</p>
<p>And yet here we each are.</p>
<p>So the question being asked&#8212;will this particular person be born?&#8212;is the wrong one.  And most of the questions asked by JFK conspiracy theorists are the wrong ones, as well.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/12/epstein-suicide-murder-conspiracy/#comment-2450145</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I’m suggesting that buying a money order at the location at that exact time is either a highly improbable coincidence, or the fix was in.&lt;/i&gt;

I buy a money order.  I&#039;m in line at the post office.  It takes three minutes.  The probability I will be there during any given three minute interval on that day.  is about 0.6%.  By your logic, the presence of any individual you could name (bar those employed at the station or journalists covering the event) is &#039;suspicious&#039;.  


I have no clue why some &lt;i&gt;Man From U.N.C.L.E&lt;/i&gt;-type secret agency would employ someone as erratic and garrulous as Jack Ruby as a &#039;sleeper agent&#039;.  Or why a 51 year old man (who would have had a life expectancy of about 22 years at that time) would coldly elect to spend those years in prison at the behest of whomever.  (Ruby was diagnosed with lung cancer shortly thereafter, but he did not know he was a terminal patient when went to the P.O. that day).  But, again, &#039;tis not my trade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m suggesting that buying a money order at the location at that exact time is either a highly improbable coincidence, or the fix was in.</i></p>
<p>I buy a money order.  I&#8217;m in line at the post office.  It takes three minutes.  The probability I will be there during any given three minute interval on that day.  is about 0.6%.  By your logic, the presence of any individual you could name (bar those employed at the station or journalists covering the event) is &#8216;suspicious&#8217;.  </p>
<p>I have no clue why some <i>Man From U.N.C.L.E</i>-type secret agency would employ someone as erratic and garrulous as Jack Ruby as a &#8216;sleeper agent&#8217;.  Or why a 51 year old man (who would have had a life expectancy of about 22 years at that time) would coldly elect to spend those years in prison at the behest of whomever.  (Ruby was diagnosed with lung cancer shortly thereafter, but he did not know he was a terminal patient when went to the P.O. that day).  But, again, &#8217;tis not my trade.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/08/12/epstein-suicide-murder-conspiracy/#comment-2450141</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Saunders:

I wasn&#039;t meaning to indicate that you subscribed to conspiracy theories about it. My point, however is that people who do subscribe to the ones about the JFK&#039;s killing (and Ruby&#039;s role) do not actually know the facts. I am preparing a new post on this right now.  To be continued...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Saunders:</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t meaning to indicate that you subscribed to conspiracy theories about it. My point, however is that people who do subscribe to the ones about the JFK&#8217;s killing (and Ruby&#8217;s role) do not actually know the facts. I am preparing a new post on this right now.  To be continued&#8230;</p>
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