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		By: om		</title>
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		By: Jaynie		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 13:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JE’s peculiar death is an appropriate closing act to his stupid life.
One resulting in a panoply of entertainment to the public.
Strange and odd how this brute got off so easy in the past. 
Crazy odd that ther is so much mystery about how he became so filthy rich. 
What is wrong with some western men? Preying on the oh so vulnerable young female - Epstein and his customers, Rotherham etc - instead of being a man and protecting them. 
Give me toxic masculinity of the chivalric variety anyday over this sleaze.
And finally, has JE’s last will and testament been read and made public yet? Who inherits his insane fortune???  ..... ? ......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JE’s peculiar death is an appropriate closing act to his stupid life.<br />
One resulting in a panoply of entertainment to the public.<br />
Strange and odd how this brute got off so easy in the past.<br />
Crazy odd that ther is so much mystery about how he became so filthy rich.<br />
What is wrong with some western men? Preying on the oh so vulnerable young female &#8211; Epstein and his customers, Rotherham etc &#8211; instead of being a man and protecting them.<br />
Give me toxic masculinity of the chivalric variety anyday over this sleaze.<br />
And finally, has JE’s last will and testament been read and made public yet? Who inherits his insane fortune???  &#8230;.. ? &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2019 00:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Ymarsakar on August 12, 2019 at 10:13 am said:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
There are Fusion center technologies that can mind jack someone from a distance using frequency vibration technology (not released to your civilians). It’s called gang stalking online.

It is practical and feasible to kill Epstein from a distance indirectly, especially if it led to him killing himself. Too bad there he wasn’t tinfoil, that might have blocked some of the microwave power wavelengths ; )

Welcome to the 21st century, American slaves of the Deep State and Federal Reserve. Get used to the power of your nobles hidden and overt.&lt;/b&gt;

So what excuse do you have now, Neo, of censoring that post?

The list must be getting pretty long now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Ymarsakar on August 12, 2019 at 10:13 am said:<br />
Your comment is awaiting moderation.<br />
There are Fusion center technologies that can mind jack someone from a distance using frequency vibration technology (not released to your civilians). It’s called gang stalking online.</p>
<p>It is practical and feasible to kill Epstein from a distance indirectly, especially if it led to him killing himself. Too bad there he wasn’t tinfoil, that might have blocked some of the microwave power wavelengths ; )</p>
<p>Welcome to the 21st century, American slaves of the Deep State and Federal Reserve. Get used to the power of your nobles hidden and overt.</b></p>
<p>So what excuse do you have now, Neo, of censoring that post?</p>
<p>The list must be getting pretty long now.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] The consensus seems to be that Epstein’s death… – The New Neo&#160;Think about it. By his own standards he’d had many decades of an exciting ride, full of money and famous people and the ability to fulfill his kinky sexual proclivities. But his fun life as he knew it was over. He was facing the prospect of being locked up for his remaining years, after a trial that exposed his worst deeds and also probably was going to feature a lot of lies about him too, from pilers-on. He is a figure of enormous revulsion from most of the world. He’s 66 years old. He has neither wife nor children. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The consensus seems to be that Epstein’s death… – The New Neo&nbsp;Think about it. By his own standards he’d had many decades of an exciting ride, full of money and famous people and the ability to fulfill his kinky sexual proclivities. But his fun life as he knew it was over. He was facing the prospect of being locked up for his remaining years, after a trial that exposed his worst deeds and also probably was going to feature a lot of lies about him too, from pilers-on. He is a figure of enormous revulsion from most of the world. He’s 66 years old. He has neither wife nor children. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: R.C.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think I should directly reply to Neo&#039;s cite of my earlier comment, in the main post.

At the time, my understanding of the facts-in-evidence was:
- Epstein had sustained harm a week or two ago;
- That harm had been deemed possibly a suicide attempt, but there was question about whether it was or not;
- Epstein had been placed on &quot;suicide watch&quot; (about which, I am ignorant of the details; but I assume it means elevated regular observation and sufficient increased expense to the prison system that they don&#039;t like to maintain it overlong);
- Then, he died of an apparent suicide;
- Normal procedure is to investigate any apparent suicide in a prison as a murder until it&#039;s proven to be suicide;
- Persons in the administration of the prison would identify Epstein as an inmate under threat, as well as a potential witness of high-value, and thus make a conscientious effort to cross t&#039;s and dot i&#039;s with respect to his security;

So, the idea that he died of suicide &lt;i&gt;while on suicide watch&lt;/i&gt; played a big role in my inclination to rank murder as the best explanation.

At present, the facts-in-evidence are being reported differently:
- He wasn&#039;t on suicide watch;
- According to policy at that prison, he was &lt;i&gt;supposed&lt;/i&gt; to be on suicide watch because it had been less than two weeks since some harm had been done to him which &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; have been a suicide attempt;
- According to policy at that prison, he shouldn&#039;t have been in his cell alone, but his cellmate was moved elsewhere in violation of that policy;
- Those familiar with the prison system have been all over the news assuring the public (if &quot;assuring&quot; is the right word) that, unfortunately, the administration of prisons and the personnel involved regularly show a mix of incompetence and bureaucratic officiousness, refusing either to acknowledge circumstances requiring extra-careful treatment, or to properly execute normal standards consistently.

Given the above new information, I&#039;ve shifted my probabilities as follows:
35% - suicide after an earlier failed attempt
30% - suicide after an earlier attack on his person
30% - murdered
5% - he&#039;s WitSec, having been jarred into the precariousness of his situation by the earlier attack on his person, if that&#039;s what it was

...and, the most important probability estimate of all:
100% - I don&#039;t have enough experience of, or reliable information about, any of this to think I have a snowball&#039;s chance of correctly estimating the probabilities of any of the scenarios above; consequently the probability estimates given above should be treated as entirely derivative of my lower G.I. tract.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I should directly reply to Neo&#8217;s cite of my earlier comment, in the main post.</p>
<p>At the time, my understanding of the facts-in-evidence was:<br />
&#8211; Epstein had sustained harm a week or two ago;<br />
&#8211; That harm had been deemed possibly a suicide attempt, but there was question about whether it was or not;<br />
&#8211; Epstein had been placed on &#8220;suicide watch&#8221; (about which, I am ignorant of the details; but I assume it means elevated regular observation and sufficient increased expense to the prison system that they don&#8217;t like to maintain it overlong);<br />
&#8211; Then, he died of an apparent suicide;<br />
&#8211; Normal procedure is to investigate any apparent suicide in a prison as a murder until it&#8217;s proven to be suicide;<br />
&#8211; Persons in the administration of the prison would identify Epstein as an inmate under threat, as well as a potential witness of high-value, and thus make a conscientious effort to cross t&#8217;s and dot i&#8217;s with respect to his security;</p>
<p>So, the idea that he died of suicide <i>while on suicide watch</i> played a big role in my inclination to rank murder as the best explanation.</p>
<p>At present, the facts-in-evidence are being reported differently:<br />
&#8211; He wasn&#8217;t on suicide watch;<br />
&#8211; According to policy at that prison, he was <i>supposed</i> to be on suicide watch because it had been less than two weeks since some harm had been done to him which <i>might</i> have been a suicide attempt;<br />
&#8211; According to policy at that prison, he shouldn&#8217;t have been in his cell alone, but his cellmate was moved elsewhere in violation of that policy;<br />
&#8211; Those familiar with the prison system have been all over the news assuring the public (if &#8220;assuring&#8221; is the right word) that, unfortunately, the administration of prisons and the personnel involved regularly show a mix of incompetence and bureaucratic officiousness, refusing either to acknowledge circumstances requiring extra-careful treatment, or to properly execute normal standards consistently.</p>
<p>Given the above new information, I&#8217;ve shifted my probabilities as follows:<br />
35% &#8211; suicide after an earlier failed attempt<br />
30% &#8211; suicide after an earlier attack on his person<br />
30% &#8211; murdered<br />
5% &#8211; he&#8217;s WitSec, having been jarred into the precariousness of his situation by the earlier attack on his person, if that&#8217;s what it was</p>
<p>&#8230;and, the most important probability estimate of all:<br />
100% &#8211; I don&#8217;t have enough experience of, or reliable information about, any of this to think I have a snowball&#8217;s chance of correctly estimating the probabilities of any of the scenarios above; consequently the probability estimates given above should be treated as entirely derivative of my lower G.I. tract.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Question is how many layers above him passed on the take-it-easy-you’ve-earned-a-break orders.&lt;/b&gt;

Reminds me of Benghazi, &quot;Stand Down, let them die&quot;.

So many media fake news sewer boys and girls told gullible Americans that &quot;no such orders&quot; existed. Of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Question is how many layers above him passed on the take-it-easy-you’ve-earned-a-break orders.</b></p>
<p>Reminds me of Benghazi, &#8220;Stand Down, let them die&#8221;.</p>
<p>So many media fake news sewer boys and girls told gullible Americans that &#8220;no such orders&#8221; existed. Of course.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I find it less ironic but nominally quaint and predictable that people, here at least, still think &quot;Epstein killing himself&quot; is not murder. Haha. That&#039;s so 19th century thinking.

There are many ways to get someone to commit suicide, even before the advent of 21st century Monarch and MK Ultra technologies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it less ironic but nominally quaint and predictable that people, here at least, still think &#8220;Epstein killing himself&#8221; is not murder. Haha. That&#8217;s so 19th century thinking.</p>
<p>There are many ways to get someone to commit suicide, even before the advent of 21st century Monarch and MK Ultra technologies.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;We’ve just been through RussiaGate, which at this point I believe most participants here agree was a conspiracy — against Trump. &lt;/b&gt;

Americans are used to believing in conspiracies that the media tells them are true and disbelieving the ones &quot;everyone&quot; agrees is bunk.

Unfortunately, that stopped working once the online community began poking holes in fake news or as the Left called it, Faux News.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>We’ve just been through RussiaGate, which at this point I believe most participants here agree was a conspiracy — against Trump. </b></p>
<p>Americans are used to believing in conspiracies that the media tells them are true and disbelieving the ones &#8220;everyone&#8221; agrees is bunk.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, that stopped working once the online community began poking holes in fake news or as the Left called it, Faux News.</p>
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		By: FOAF		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;It just stinks.&quot;

Yes it does.  If I had to bet I might bet the same way neo would, that it was suicide possibly enabled by routine bureaucratic incompetence.  But the point of my previous comment was that probability doesn&#039;t cut it here, whether it&#039;s 51% or even 85%.  Anyone who was following this knew that the Epstein case had the potential to be explosively damaging to many important people.  If the circumstances of his death are not fully aired it will only feed the growing cynicism towards politics and people with positions of authority.

Of course those circumstances themselves could make that cynicism exponentially worse if Huxley is right.  But we are better off with the truth regardless.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It just stinks.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes it does.  If I had to bet I might bet the same way neo would, that it was suicide possibly enabled by routine bureaucratic incompetence.  But the point of my previous comment was that probability doesn&#8217;t cut it here, whether it&#8217;s 51% or even 85%.  Anyone who was following this knew that the Epstein case had the potential to be explosively damaging to many important people.  If the circumstances of his death are not fully aired it will only feed the growing cynicism towards politics and people with positions of authority.</p>
<p>Of course those circumstances themselves could make that cynicism exponentially worse if Huxley is right.  But we are better off with the truth regardless.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2019 05:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Cleckley, one of the original expositors of psychopathy, claimed that psychopathic personalities rarely committed suicide.&lt;/i&gt;

Dnaxy: My stepfather was certainly a psychopath or a sociopath. He committed suicide after learning he had an incurable brain tumor. Otherwise, I&#039;m sure he would have been happy to continue his merry way visiting mayhem on normal people.

Likewise, I can imagine Epstein committing suicide looking at an incurable life sentence in prison.

That said, I agree in sensible circumstances Epstein would have been watched hard, especially after his first suicide attempt or whatever that was. 

Again, my bet is that however Epstein died, there was a decision by some prison officials not to get in the way. People may get negligent when they think no one is watching. But that was not the case with Epstein. He was the most famous and notorious criminal in the world at the time and he already appeared to be suicidal.

It just stinks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Cleckley, one of the original expositors of psychopathy, claimed that psychopathic personalities rarely committed suicide.</i></p>
<p>Dnaxy: My stepfather was certainly a psychopath or a sociopath. He committed suicide after learning he had an incurable brain tumor. Otherwise, I&#8217;m sure he would have been happy to continue his merry way visiting mayhem on normal people.</p>
<p>Likewise, I can imagine Epstein committing suicide looking at an incurable life sentence in prison.</p>
<p>That said, I agree in sensible circumstances Epstein would have been watched hard, especially after his first suicide attempt or whatever that was. </p>
<p>Again, my bet is that however Epstein died, there was a decision by some prison officials not to get in the way. People may get negligent when they think no one is watching. But that was not the case with Epstein. He was the most famous and notorious criminal in the world at the time and he already appeared to be suicidal.</p>
<p>It just stinks.</p>
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