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		By: Robert Arvanitis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Arvanitis]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[There is not now, or has there ever been, a single governor who would surrender one whit of power, or q foot of land, for such a cause.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is not now, or has there ever been, a single governor who would surrender one whit of power, or q foot of land, for such a cause.</p>
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		By: Andrew Stanton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Stanton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Every state should award its electoral votes by the Nebraska and Maine model. Suddenly every state matters and no Constitutional amendment needed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every state should award its electoral votes by the Nebraska and Maine model. Suddenly every state matters and no Constitutional amendment needed.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2019 02:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Texas entered the union with the provision that it could be broken up into multiple states.
That particular gerrymander was debated back in 2009 when Nate Silver was wondering how it would have affected Obama&#039;s election and subsequent ones as well (looking to benefit the Democrats, but without much success).

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/messing-with-texas/

The division has never happened, of course (although many people are good with splitting off the People&#039;s Republic of Austin as a city-state), and probably won&#039;t, because no one is willing to give up the Alamo to another &quot;state&quot; -- although that may change if demographics are altered enough.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texas entered the union with the provision that it could be broken up into multiple states.<br />
That particular gerrymander was debated back in 2009 when Nate Silver was wondering how it would have affected Obama&#8217;s election and subsequent ones as well (looking to benefit the Democrats, but without much success).</p>
<p><a href="https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/messing-with-texas/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/messing-with-texas/</a></p>
<p>The division has never happened, of course (although many people are good with splitting off the People&#8217;s Republic of Austin as a city-state), and probably won&#8217;t, because no one is willing to give up the Alamo to another &#8220;state&#8221; &#8212; although that may change if demographics are altered enough.</p>
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		By: JHCorcoran		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JHCorcoran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jul 2019 02:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh gimme a break!  HRC was an  awful candidate and had the terrible habit of insulting the voters, which is a  technique the MSM continues to do.  2016 was my shift away from the Democrat Party and it was a 180 degree shift.  When you make Maxine Waters and AOC plus three the face of the party, you have already lost.  I have to admit my favourite candidate is a Democrat, but the MSM is so cruel to her you only see her on Fox.  The Democratic Party is a joke these days.  
That said; If you got rid of California, Trump won the popular vote.  And with California’s  harvesting votes skills, I do not trust their numbers.  I think the State that has the most arbitrary lines and should be broken up is California.  One state could be the northern coast, another the southern coast, two more with the northern interior and southern interior.  You would have 4 governors with 4 state legislators.  It would probably be run a lot better and it would not be a one party state. The NY Times are wrong and so obvious.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh gimme a break!  HRC was an  awful candidate and had the terrible habit of insulting the voters, which is a  technique the MSM continues to do.  2016 was my shift away from the Democrat Party and it was a 180 degree shift.  When you make Maxine Waters and AOC plus three the face of the party, you have already lost.  I have to admit my favourite candidate is a Democrat, but the MSM is so cruel to her you only see her on Fox.  The Democratic Party is a joke these days.<br />
That said; If you got rid of California, Trump won the popular vote.  And with California’s  harvesting votes skills, I do not trust their numbers.  I think the State that has the most arbitrary lines and should be broken up is California.  One state could be the northern coast, another the southern coast, two more with the northern interior and southern interior.  You would have 4 governors with 4 state legislators.  It would probably be run a lot better and it would not be a one party state. The NY Times are wrong and so obvious.</p>
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		By: Artfldgr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Artfldgr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2019 23:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[add that and this together and hundreds of more we dont know.. 

No Wonder Google Execs Cried When Hillary Lost – They Funded Crowdstrike – The ‘Experts’ Behind the Russian Hackers Story
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/no-wonder-google-execs-cried-when-hillary-lost-they-funded-crowdstrike-the-experts-behind-the-russian-hackers-story/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>add that and this together and hundreds of more we dont know.. </p>
<p>No Wonder Google Execs Cried When Hillary Lost – They Funded Crowdstrike – The ‘Experts’ Behind the Russian Hackers Story<br />
<a href="https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/no-wonder-google-execs-cried-when-hillary-lost-they-funded-crowdstrike-the-experts-behind-the-russian-hackers-story/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/no-wonder-google-execs-cried-when-hillary-lost-they-funded-crowdstrike-the-experts-behind-the-russian-hackers-story/</a></p>
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		By: Yankee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yankee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2019 21:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Article Four, Section Three of the Constitution provides for the admission of new states, most of which came from the western territories as they were settled.  However, it is still possible to change the borders of existing states, as long as consent for this is given by the relevant state legislatures and the U.S. Congress.

Theoretically, large states can be split into two, or small states can combine to form one larger state, or parts of one state can join another one, as long as there is agreement with those legislatures and the Congress. But this is unlikely to happen in the near future, since people like what they are used to, and those state boundaries were all formed for definite historical reasons.  

However, the really big question is what might happen in the next 20-30 years, when the U.S. population hits 400-450 million people, most of whom may live in large urban cities, with two-thirds of that population non-white, and with all such recent rapid growth coming from immigration (of all types).

Under such conditions, politics will be a lot more contentious than is the case now, and the societal background may not be as ideal as one could hope.  We can expect demands in the near future to change state boundaries, all in the name of greater fairness and greater equality, and for more perfect representation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Article Four, Section Three of the Constitution provides for the admission of new states, most of which came from the western territories as they were settled.  However, it is still possible to change the borders of existing states, as long as consent for this is given by the relevant state legislatures and the U.S. Congress.</p>
<p>Theoretically, large states can be split into two, or small states can combine to form one larger state, or parts of one state can join another one, as long as there is agreement with those legislatures and the Congress. But this is unlikely to happen in the near future, since people like what they are used to, and those state boundaries were all formed for definite historical reasons.  </p>
<p>However, the really big question is what might happen in the next 20-30 years, when the U.S. population hits 400-450 million people, most of whom may live in large urban cities, with two-thirds of that population non-white, and with all such recent rapid growth coming from immigration (of all types).</p>
<p>Under such conditions, politics will be a lot more contentious than is the case now, and the societal background may not be as ideal as one could hope.  We can expect demands in the near future to change state boundaries, all in the name of greater fairness and greater equality, and for more perfect representation.</p>
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		By: BikerDad		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BikerDad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a near life-long reader of alternate history fiction, one of the distinct subgenres of science fiction, all I can do is laugh at that mook.  And this is one of those real laughs, the ones you get when you amuse Thor, not one of those fake Rocket Racoon laughs.

So, let me tell you where his craptastic notion utterly breaks down.  Deseret.  In the map of his that I saw, he had Deseret becoming a state in 1849.  Deseret was settled, and named, by Mormons.  And I&#039;m talking the old school fundamentalist, polygamist Mormons.  Utah today, even without the fundamentalists in control of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints, is one of the most socially conservative states in the country.

Now, imagine what today&#039;s Southern California and Hollyweird would be like if they were established and grew under the same social/political paradigms as Utah.  Yes, in the mook&#039;s map, Southern California is part of Deseret.  So is Las Vegas.  Sure, Las Vegas would be pretty much the same, because the Mormons realized that having a designated outlet for debauchery was useful for so many reasons.  But SoCal?  It would NOT be anywhere like what it is today.

First Rule of Alternate History:  You don&#039;t get to go back a century and half and change something big, and have everything the same today except for the one special change you want to see.

(Note:  This doesn&#039;t even consider the question of what Deseret does in the Civil War.  The Mormons went west to establish their OWN country, not to establish a state in the Union.....  )]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a near life-long reader of alternate history fiction, one of the distinct subgenres of science fiction, all I can do is laugh at that mook.  And this is one of those real laughs, the ones you get when you amuse Thor, not one of those fake Rocket Racoon laughs.</p>
<p>So, let me tell you where his craptastic notion utterly breaks down.  Deseret.  In the map of his that I saw, he had Deseret becoming a state in 1849.  Deseret was settled, and named, by Mormons.  And I&#8217;m talking the old school fundamentalist, polygamist Mormons.  Utah today, even without the fundamentalists in control of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints, is one of the most socially conservative states in the country.</p>
<p>Now, imagine what today&#8217;s Southern California and Hollyweird would be like if they were established and grew under the same social/political paradigms as Utah.  Yes, in the mook&#8217;s map, Southern California is part of Deseret.  So is Las Vegas.  Sure, Las Vegas would be pretty much the same, because the Mormons realized that having a designated outlet for debauchery was useful for so many reasons.  But SoCal?  It would NOT be anywhere like what it is today.</p>
<p>First Rule of Alternate History:  You don&#8217;t get to go back a century and half and change something big, and have everything the same today except for the one special change you want to see.</p>
<p>(Note:  This doesn&#8217;t even consider the question of what Deseret does in the Civil War.  The Mormons went west to establish their OWN country, not to establish a state in the Union&#8230;..  )</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@expat:&lt;i&gt;These idiots don’t understand anything.&lt;/i&gt;

They understand perfectly; it is a deliberate and well-thought out strategy.  They will tell you out one side of their mouths that people who live in Florida Panhandle should have their votes count for Alabama, and out of the other side that illegal aliens in Florida Panhandle deserve in-state tuition at Florida universities.

The Inner Party seeks power.  The Inner Party produces whatever propaganda it takes to enough of the Outer Party to vote the right way.

Remember when Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were opposed to gay marriage?  Not one leftist of my acquaintance believed that they actually were.  And they were not.  They were just lying.  The Inner Party knew.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@expat:<i>These idiots don’t understand anything.</i></p>
<p>They understand perfectly; it is a deliberate and well-thought out strategy.  They will tell you out one side of their mouths that people who live in Florida Panhandle should have their votes count for Alabama, and out of the other side that illegal aliens in Florida Panhandle deserve in-state tuition at Florida universities.</p>
<p>The Inner Party seeks power.  The Inner Party produces whatever propaganda it takes to enough of the Outer Party to vote the right way.</p>
<p>Remember when Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were opposed to gay marriage?  Not one leftist of my acquaintance believed that they actually were.  And they were not.  They were just lying.  The Inner Party knew.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:18:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I could go for making New York City, Chicago and the western rim of California into states so the rest of us did not have to put up with them.

Upstate New York, down state Illinois and eastern California would be ecstatic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could go for making New York City, Chicago and the western rim of California into states so the rest of us did not have to put up with them.</p>
<p>Upstate New York, down state Illinois and eastern California would be ecstatic.</p>
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		By: expat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[expat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Daniel Schwartz,

Not only don&#039;t you live in Florida anymore, but your taxes will change, regulations for businesses will change, your school curricula will be different, and in-state tuition won&#039;t work for your kids. 
These idiots don&#039;t understand anything.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Schwartz,</p>
<p>Not only don&#8217;t you live in Florida anymore, but your taxes will change, regulations for businesses will change, your school curricula will be different, and in-state tuition won&#8217;t work for your kids.<br />
These idiots don&#8217;t understand anything.</p>
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