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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/20/observational-nutritional-studies-garbage-in-garbage-out/#comment-2445072</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As to nutrition, I love the term &quot;empty calories&quot;.

You know how you get empty calories? Drink water. Every calorie in it is an &quot;empty&quot; calorie.

Salty snacks and candy don&#039;t have &quot;empty&quot; calories. They offer satisfaction and pleasure. The notion that all our food must serve a purpose is the kind that creates relatively boring food like Graham Crackers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_cracker

Yes, we have &quot;perverted&quot; them from their original intent via Smores and Moon Pies (and my personal favorite, breakfast &quot;cereal&quot; from crumbled GCs in milk), but the entire idea was to make your food bland as possible, to turn eating to a chore.

No thanks. While you should match your intake to your daily burn, that&#039;s the extent of real matching &lt;i&gt;needed&lt;/i&gt;. Everything else is personal preference (and physiology!!), as long as you take a multivitamin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to nutrition, I love the term &#8220;empty calories&#8221;.</p>
<p>You know how you get empty calories? Drink water. Every calorie in it is an &#8220;empty&#8221; calorie.</p>
<p>Salty snacks and candy don&#8217;t have &#8220;empty&#8221; calories. They offer satisfaction and pleasure. The notion that all our food must serve a purpose is the kind that creates relatively boring food like Graham Crackers.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_cracker" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_cracker</a></p>
<p>Yes, we have &#8220;perverted&#8221; them from their original intent via Smores and Moon Pies (and my personal favorite, breakfast &#8220;cereal&#8221; from crumbled GCs in milk), but the entire idea was to make your food bland as possible, to turn eating to a chore.</p>
<p>No thanks. While you should match your intake to your daily burn, that&#8217;s the extent of real matching <i>needed</i>. Everything else is personal preference (and physiology!!), as long as you take a multivitamin.</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/20/observational-nutritional-studies-garbage-in-garbage-out/#comment-2445071</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBloodyHell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2019 07:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Nutritional&quot; studies, along with sociological and &quot;climate&quot; studies, are among the primary examples of the Decline Effect in modern science.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_effect

Their occurrence is a direct result of shoddy experiment construction.

Everyone should remember -- especially in these days of &quot;Climate Change&quot; -- that the Gold Standard of Science is not &lt;i&gt;&quot;Peer Review&quot;&lt;/i&gt;, but &lt;b&gt;multiple independent replications of a Double-Blind Experiment&lt;/b&gt;.

You damned sure are not likely to get that from &quot;observational studies&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nutritional&#8221; studies, along with sociological and &#8220;climate&#8221; studies, are among the primary examples of the Decline Effect in modern science.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_effect" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decline_effect</a></p>
<p>Their occurrence is a direct result of shoddy experiment construction.</p>
<p>Everyone should remember &#8212; especially in these days of &#8220;Climate Change&#8221; &#8212; that the Gold Standard of Science is not <i>&#8220;Peer Review&#8221;</i>, but <b>multiple independent replications of a Double-Blind Experiment</b>.</p>
<p>You damned sure are not likely to get that from &#8220;observational studies&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Carmen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carmen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2019 00:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember the evil egg. Some things are not forgivable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the evil egg. Some things are not forgivable.</p>
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		By: Chester Draws		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/20/observational-nutritional-studies-garbage-in-garbage-out/#comment-2444809</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chester Draws]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;That doesn’t mean that every single thing we know about food and health is wrong. It just means to take it with a grain of salt.&lt;/i&gt;

I would argue that almost everything we are told about diet is wrong. 

When nutritionists not trying to push some diet or fight some supposed evil are asked what we should eat they generally say the same thing -- food. Not too much, and include vegetables.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>That doesn’t mean that every single thing we know about food and health is wrong. It just means to take it with a grain of salt.</i></p>
<p>I would argue that almost everything we are told about diet is wrong. </p>
<p>When nutritionists not trying to push some diet or fight some supposed evil are asked what we should eat they generally say the same thing &#8212; food. Not too much, and include vegetables.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/20/observational-nutritional-studies-garbage-in-garbage-out/#comment-2444805</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Everybody lies.  Technically, only if they are intentional in their dissembling.

Something like an FDA drug study is probably one of the best or most thorough approaches.  At least I hope it is.  But I was very surprised to see that those tests routinely detect and factor out something like a 20% placebo effect.  Sometimes I have tried to explain this &quot;problem&quot; to people who are experimenting with their diet or over-the-counter drug therapies, a few respond as though I&#039;d called them mentally defective.

Another thing I hadn&#039;t heard of until recently is the &quot;nocebo&quot; effect.  These are people who convinced that something they are taking or eating is causing them great harm, even when medical tests prove the opposite.
____

I like some salt and I&#039;m slightly hypertensive, so I use LoSalt.  50% NaCl and 50% KCl.  It tastes OK, though a little less strong in flavor.

I&#039;ve also noticed that recently, on occasion, using sea salt on food tastes incredibly good.  It&#039;s been decades since the first time I tried sea salt, so I don&#039;t know if I&#039;ve changed or the sea salt changed, but I don&#039;t ever remember it being that good.  Or am I imagining it?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody lies.  Technically, only if they are intentional in their dissembling.</p>
<p>Something like an FDA drug study is probably one of the best or most thorough approaches.  At least I hope it is.  But I was very surprised to see that those tests routinely detect and factor out something like a 20% placebo effect.  Sometimes I have tried to explain this &#8220;problem&#8221; to people who are experimenting with their diet or over-the-counter drug therapies, a few respond as though I&#8217;d called them mentally defective.</p>
<p>Another thing I hadn&#8217;t heard of until recently is the &#8220;nocebo&#8221; effect.  These are people who convinced that something they are taking or eating is causing them great harm, even when medical tests prove the opposite.<br />
____</p>
<p>I like some salt and I&#8217;m slightly hypertensive, so I use LoSalt.  50% NaCl and 50% KCl.  It tastes OK, though a little less strong in flavor.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also noticed that recently, on occasion, using sea salt on food tastes incredibly good.  It&#8217;s been decades since the first time I tried sea salt, so I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;ve changed or the sea salt changed, but I don&#8217;t ever remember it being that good.  Or am I imagining it?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/20/observational-nutritional-studies-garbage-in-garbage-out/#comment-2444795</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2019 20:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;As flies to wanton boys, are we to DNA.
It kills us for its sport.

--Shakespeare (with a minor modification)&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As flies to wanton boys, are we to DNA.<br />
It kills us for its sport.</p>
<p>&#8211;Shakespeare (with a minor modification)</i></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/20/observational-nutritional-studies-garbage-in-garbage-out/#comment-2444792</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo: House certainly lied!

(That&#039;s another show I loved for six seasons but the writers kept upping the stakes and horror, so I stopped watching.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo: House certainly lied!</p>
<p>(That&#8217;s another show I loved for six seasons but the writers kept upping the stakes and horror, so I stopped watching.)</p>
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		By: Edward		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I always tell my wife that we are not going to get out of this alive.

And don&#039;t forget this cartoon:

https://morningglory2.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/the-golden-years/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always tell my wife that we are not going to get out of this alive.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget this cartoon:</p>
<p><a href="https://morningglory2.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/the-golden-years/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://morningglory2.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/the-golden-years/</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/20/observational-nutritional-studies-garbage-in-garbage-out/#comment-2444778</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley:

Even that&#039;s a lie :-)  .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley:</p>
<p>Even that&#8217;s a lie 🙂  .</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/20/observational-nutritional-studies-garbage-in-garbage-out/#comment-2444776</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s a basic truth of the human condition. &lt;b&gt;Everybody lies.&lt;/b&gt;

--Dr. House&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It&#8217;s a basic truth of the human condition. <b>Everybody lies.</b></p>
<p>&#8211;Dr. House</i></p>
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