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		By: A ? week begins&#8230; &#124; Rabblerouserruminations&#039;s Weblog		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: The left, language, and political change &#124; TrumpsMinutemen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: The left, language, and political change		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jul 2019 20:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/06/americans-are-not-especially-fond-of-the-woke/#comment-2441855</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2019 04:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;parker on July 6, 2019 at 6:50 pm said:
Dave,

It begins with you. Speak your mind. &lt;/b&gt;

I speak my mind all the time. Then I get told that because people here are &quot;older than me&quot; (*ahaha, as if they know anything), they get to tell me off because they know more than me.

Ridiculous human antics. Human pride will be your downfall, but you think it is somebody else&#039;s problem.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>parker on July 6, 2019 at 6:50 pm said:<br />
Dave,</p>
<p>It begins with you. Speak your mind. </b></p>
<p>I speak my mind all the time. Then I get told that because people here are &#8220;older than me&#8221; (*ahaha, as if they know anything), they get to tell me off because they know more than me.</p>
<p>Ridiculous human antics. Human pride will be your downfall, but you think it is somebody else&#8217;s problem.</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/06/americans-are-not-especially-fond-of-the-woke/#comment-2441854</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2019 04:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Geoffrey Britain on July 6, 2019 at 9:42 pm said:
John Stuart Mill perfectly stated it; “If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”&lt;/b&gt;

Lots of people would love me to be silent, one way or another.

They have about as much chance of that happening as silencing the Son of God (the one they know).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Geoffrey Britain on July 6, 2019 at 9:42 pm said:<br />
John Stuart Mill perfectly stated it; “If all mankind minus one were of one opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”</b></p>
<p>Lots of people would love me to be silent, one way or another.</p>
<p>They have about as much chance of that happening as silencing the Son of God (the one they know).</p>
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		By: Ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/06/americans-are-not-especially-fond-of-the-woke/#comment-2441853</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2019 04:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[People don&#039;t even know that they are asleep in a dream, let alone who got woke up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People don&#8217;t even know that they are asleep in a dream, let alone who got woke up.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/06/americans-are-not-especially-fond-of-the-woke/#comment-2441841</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2019 02:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/05/17/in-defence-of-the-minority-of-one/
SALVATORE BABONES
17th May 2019
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;There are no such things as minority rights – or at least, there shouldn’t be&lt;/b&gt;. Adams and Tocqueville, the very writers who introduced the ‘tyranny of the majority’, both recognised that it was even worse to give special rights to a minority. The greatest assurance of the lives, liberty, and property of the members of any minority group is for society to hold fast to a tradition of individual liberty for all.

... It was left to John Stuart Mill to grasp fully the reality that individual liberty is the prophylactic that safeguards society from the tyranny of the majority.

In On Liberty (1859), Mill took it for granted that the limitation of ‘the power of government over individuals’ was necessary to prevent the tyranny of the majority. ... Individual members of minority groups who feel oppressed by everyday microaggressions, dehumanised by other people’s opposition to their opinions, or terrified by facts that might trigger their memory of historical trauma, might pause a moment to reflect on the implications of seeking redress through the law. &lt;b&gt;If they live in an Anglo-American democracy, they would be asking the government to override age-old common-law liberties in favour of their own interests. That’s about as dangerous as it gets.&lt;/b&gt;

For if a minority can use the machinery of government to control behaviour it finds offensive, it is difficult to see how a majority can be prevented from doing the same. Everyone is offended by something. &lt;b&gt;Construe an issue as a matter of minority rights, and it can only be won by subverting democracy. Construe it as matter of individual rights, and… well, everyone is an individual.&lt;/b&gt;The legitimacy of liberal democracy rests on the principle that every individual citizen enjoys the same rights and freedoms – and the same interest in defending them. Liberty first, democracy second. When everyone is in the same minority of one, there is safety in numbers. That’s why, in a well-functioning liberal democracy, minorities don’t have any rights. Only individuals do.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
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SALVATORE BABONES<br />
17th May 2019</p>
<blockquote><p><b>There are no such things as minority rights – or at least, there shouldn’t be</b>. Adams and Tocqueville, the very writers who introduced the ‘tyranny of the majority’, both recognised that it was even worse to give special rights to a minority. The greatest assurance of the lives, liberty, and property of the members of any minority group is for society to hold fast to a tradition of individual liberty for all.</p>
<p>&#8230; It was left to John Stuart Mill to grasp fully the reality that individual liberty is the prophylactic that safeguards society from the tyranny of the majority.</p>
<p>In On Liberty (1859), Mill took it for granted that the limitation of ‘the power of government over individuals’ was necessary to prevent the tyranny of the majority. &#8230; Individual members of minority groups who feel oppressed by everyday microaggressions, dehumanised by other people’s opposition to their opinions, or terrified by facts that might trigger their memory of historical trauma, might pause a moment to reflect on the implications of seeking redress through the law. <b>If they live in an Anglo-American democracy, they would be asking the government to override age-old common-law liberties in favour of their own interests. That’s about as dangerous as it gets.</b></p>
<p>For if a minority can use the machinery of government to control behaviour it finds offensive, it is difficult to see how a majority can be prevented from doing the same. Everyone is offended by something. <b>Construe an issue as a matter of minority rights, and it can only be won by subverting democracy. Construe it as matter of individual rights, and… well, everyone is an individual.</b>The legitimacy of liberal democracy rests on the principle that every individual citizen enjoys the same rights and freedoms – and the same interest in defending them. Liberty first, democracy second. When everyone is in the same minority of one, there is safety in numbers. That’s why, in a well-functioning liberal democracy, minorities don’t have any rights. Only individuals do.
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/06/americans-are-not-especially-fond-of-the-woke/#comment-2441839</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2019 02:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/04/meet-the-anti-woke-left/
Meet the anti-woke left -- 
‘Dirtbag’ leftists Amber A’Lee Frost and Anna Khachiyan on populism, feminism and cancel culture.
&lt;blockquote&gt;

The left is in crisis across the West. It is out of power in most countries and out of touch with its historical working-class base. Class politics has given way to identity politics. And noble causes like anti-racism, anti-sexism and anti-discrimination have congealed into a stifling morass of political correctness and competitive victimhood.

Thankfully, there are some pockets on the left who recognise this predicament. I’m in New York to try to understand the thinking behind the ‘dirtbag left’. The phrase was coined by Amber A’Lee Frost, a writer, commentator and activist, to describe a loose constellation of American leftists who reject the civility, piety and PC that has come to characterise much of the left.
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Meet the anti-woke left &#8212;<br />
‘Dirtbag’ leftists Amber A’Lee Frost and Anna Khachiyan on populism, feminism and cancel culture.</p>
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<p>The left is in crisis across the West. It is out of power in most countries and out of touch with its historical working-class base. Class politics has given way to identity politics. And noble causes like anti-racism, anti-sexism and anti-discrimination have congealed into a stifling morass of political correctness and competitive victimhood.</p>
<p>Thankfully, there are some pockets on the left who recognise this predicament. I’m in New York to try to understand the thinking behind the ‘dirtbag left’. The phrase was coined by Amber A’Lee Frost, a writer, commentator and activist, to describe a loose constellation of American leftists who reject the civility, piety and PC that has come to characterise much of the left.
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2019/07/06/americans-are-not-especially-fond-of-the-woke/#comment-2441837</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2019 02:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr on July 8, 2019 at 11:04 am said:
Antifa has its roots in stalinist russia…
willi munzenberg anti fascist league
later..

Antifaschistische Aktion, abbreviated as Antifa, is an anti-fascist network in Germany
* * *
Very interesting, thank you.
Antifa apparently chose their name deliberately because they are targeting today&#039;s &quot;Nazis,&quot; which happen to be not just the recognized White Nationalist/Supremacist groups, but everyone not vocally and demonstrably Left-wing aka socialist/communist.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr on July 8, 2019 at 11:04 am said:<br />
Antifa has its roots in stalinist russia…<br />
willi munzenberg anti fascist league<br />
later..</p>
<p>Antifaschistische Aktion, abbreviated as Antifa, is an anti-fascist network in Germany<br />
* * *<br />
Very interesting, thank you.<br />
Antifa apparently chose their name deliberately because they are targeting today&#8217;s &#8220;Nazis,&#8221; which happen to be not just the recognized White Nationalist/Supremacist groups, but everyone not vocally and demonstrably Left-wing aka socialist/communist.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jul 2019 02:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OBH - there is actually a children&#039;s show that features cute tellings of Aesop&#039;s fables, suitable to the pre-K age group, but there is certainly no serious study of them as political &quot;memes&quot; -- which is what they were supposed to be back in the day.
I strongly suspect that Mr. Aesop didn&#039;t have any more real influence over the Greek governments than we do ours, but it&#039;s a nice fiction, and the fables are still true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBH &#8211; there is actually a children&#8217;s show that features cute tellings of Aesop&#8217;s fables, suitable to the pre-K age group, but there is certainly no serious study of them as political &#8220;memes&#8221; &#8212; which is what they were supposed to be back in the day.<br />
I strongly suspect that Mr. Aesop didn&#8217;t have any more real influence over the Greek governments than we do ours, but it&#8217;s a nice fiction, and the fables are still true.</p>
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