I couldn’t care less about winning the approval of the UN or of the the illusory “International Community”–whoever they are–who, from what I have observed over the years, have turned their backs to all sorts of horrific events and developments around the world when it suited them, and who would gladly see the U.S. eliminated as a force in the World.

The U.S. should do what is in the best interests of the U.S. as, realistically speaking, all other countries do, however disguised as, or they want to tell themselves is, supposedly some altruistic, beneficent, and/or moral action.

The German incursion into the Rhineland in 1936 resulted in no deaths. French/British military action in response would probably have killed somewhere around 150 people or maybe up to a few thousand. It would also have resulted in a German withdrawal from the Rhineland and the very likely fall of the Nazi regime.

Would Britain and France have lost moral authority by responding?

Spot on, 5 in the bull’s eye.

There no argument as far as I am concerned. It starts with a massive display of death and destruction from above where the rubble becomes dust. People die everyday. I want the enemies of my grandchildren to die asap. Period.

When pressed for a proposed course of action, their answer is usually “talks” or the equivalent of burying our heads in the sand.

Such people do not understand that successful negotiations derive from the leverage that sanctions or the threat of military force gives to the negotiators.

“Personally, I blame Jimmy Carter…”

Yeah, I have to agree with that. In fact I blame him for a lot of things, including for why the U.S. is still saddled with the archaic and awkward Imperial System of Measurements.

But that doesn’t address the problem of what should be done now.

Apparently, you forget the many more Americans that the Iranians have killed since 1979. Nor is the drone’s destruction a case of Americans being killed, it’s a case of an act of war because it occurred over international waters in international air space. An act of war that follows numerous acts of war since 1979.

Iran lies, the media lies. Anyone who believes them is a fool. You will accomplish little worthwhile by catering to fools.

Our enemies have already pasted the label of Hitler on Trump. Accusations of being a mass murderer would be easily refuted and the media crying “mass murderer!” would further drive down their poll numbers.

I guess after the Iranians sink one of our ships with mines… it then won’t be a ‘trap’? News flash! Trump is not a politician and his reelection in 2020 will have nothing to do with political calculation by his supporters. Look at the democrat field, no one who voted for Trump in 2016 is going to vote for any of those clowns.

If Trump loses in 2020 it will be because of massive voter fraud, plain and simple. The dems are the party of anti-semitism, lawlessness, welfare for criminal aliens and infanticide. Those are albatrosses they cannot escape because they refuse to rein in their nutjobs and in that refusal, they own those positions.

Trump will not be drawn into a war certain to bankrupt America. Because there’s no need for boots on the ground. Air strikes using cruise missiles can eliminate Iran’s military and oil export facilities. MOABs can take out Iran’s centrifuges that process uranium. The target must be Iran’s logistical capabilities not its military personnel.

Yes even so, hundreds even thousands of Iranians will die and that is the price the Iranian people have chosen to pay in allowing fanatics to gain control of their nation. The Mullahs have called the tune and they and the Iranian people who placed them in power have to pay the piper.

When simple disagreement arises, careful who you call a moron. Because if what they say is arguably valid, then ironically you reveal yourself to be engaging in moronic behavior.

I don’t agree that Iran’s actions in the Strait prove that they’re begging for a war they know they’ll lose. I do think they’re sending Trump a message; that he’d better back off (like every other Pres) or they’ll make passage through the Strait so expensive that it will create chaos in the global economy. It’s a bluff. A ‘check’ they can’t cash but they’re betting that Trump will fold, as they believe his political fortunes rest upon a robust economy. And the purpose of that bluff has to be delaying any intervention in their pursuit of nukes until its too late.

Quite frankly, I think it’s shortsighted to ignore the 800 pound Gorilla in the room, i.e. the Iranian fanatical pursuit of nukes. Everything they do vis a vis America comes down to that goal. To discount it is to IMO make a huge mistake, indeed what may be a fatal one for perhaps millions.